EPTOn February 27 2014 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare where did we fly kiterayn btw?
Holyflare where did we fly kiterayn btw?
wormhole :D can post some more if you want
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On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. I have a major problem about your reads and mocsta does highlight that too. You initially say you don't want to talk to people unless they are around, that's ok, i've seen people play like that, then you start to post cases about other people when they aren't around, at this point it's looking more suspect because they can't defend themselves at that present moment and when that falls flat on your face you change your read on gumshoe because thread sentiment is lynching mocsta and the only reason you give for it is On February 27 2014 07:31 Vivax wrote: I'll sheep ya, Rayn. I want to add a few points though. Filterskim reveals a very passive Mocsta, no cases on people he believes to be scum since he has been put into the defensive. What I also don't understand is how he townreads WoS out of nowhere. He looked scummy to you, he looks scummy to me, and for him it's the strongest townread, and then he asks a question like this, which shouldn't interest him in the slightest if he's town imo: the only reason you want to join this bandwagon is that he is passive and gives a town read on your scum read out of nowhere, yet, this is the ONLY reason compared to your wall of text on wave and your pressure on gumshoe why are you sheeping so hard? why has your play devolved from what you think is best to wanting to fit in the most when needed to? your biggest scum read is seemingly wave but you're happy to lynch mocsta based on unflipped associations to a wonky read but when your other original scum read (gumshoe) did this on suki/mocsta at the start he can now be town? ##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Putting WoS on the backfire for now. Mocsta is a more solid (and likely) lynch. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. I have a major problem about your reads and mocsta does highlight that too. You initially say you don't want to talk to people unless they are around, that's ok, i've seen people play like that, then you start to post cases about other people when they aren't around, at this point it's looking more suspect because they can't defend themselves at that present moment and when that falls flat on your face you change your read on gumshoe because thread sentiment is lynching mocsta and the only reason you give for it is On February 27 2014 07:31 Vivax wrote: I'll sheep ya, Rayn. I want to add a few points though. Filterskim reveals a very passive Mocsta, no cases on people he believes to be scum since he has been put into the defensive. What I also don't understand is how he townreads WoS out of nowhere. He looked scummy to you, he looks scummy to me, and for him it's the strongest townread, and then he asks a question like this, which shouldn't interest him in the slightest if he's town imo: ##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Putting WoS on the backfire for now. Mocsta is a more solid (and likely) lynch. the only reason you want to join this bandwagon is that he is passive and gives a town read on your scum read out of nowhere, yet, this is the ONLY reason compared to your wall of text on wave and your pressure on gumshoe why are you sheeping so hard? why has your play devolved from what you think is best to wanting to fit in the most when needed to? your biggest scum read is seemingly wave but you're happy to lynch mocsta based on unflipped associations to a wonky read but when your other original scum read (gumshoe) did this on suki/mocsta at the start he can now be town? | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:31 Vivax wrote: "I don't talk to people when they aren't around". No, just no. You asked me why I wasn't asking gumshoe stuff like I did to geript, and that's cause there was no point in asking short questions to gum without the chance of getting an immediate answer. Don't overgeneralize or take things out of context. that is the most fucking irrelevant part of that entire post | ||
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why can gumshoe be town after he posted that weird town read on mocsta at the start but mocsta is your vote for doing the same thing on wave and then you vote him over your main scum read wave | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason. What does that achieve? ![[image loading]](http://www.jaehakim.com/wp-content/uploads/2002/02/Scooby.jpg) | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn what is your primary reason for voting Mocsta? And HF I'm still waiting re: you want me to actually quote everything just because you're too lazy to read my filter?? | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I think Mocsta's feel-mojo is getting in the way of my feels. Rayn's original points are mostly good. Want to see Mocsta's answer to his stuff from last page large posts that say nothing other than a player is null to scummy with your spare limited time is scum tell enough, returning to the thread saying we have no focus is what i did in hogwarts (but with extra cases), i'm more than happy to start this shit now + joining the adventure game while questioning it (scooby doo scenarios ++++) take it from the heavyweight champ, i know what scum tells are  ##unvote ##vote suki | ||
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You're like the second guy on the mocsta wagon if I recall correctly. You call gumshoe's reason for giving him a townread weird, and you are untouched by his confidence that mocsta is town. Yet I don't see you poking gumshoe about that. What gives? because gumshoe's certainty/uncertainty means nothing on an unflipped player | ||
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@jjd, tram brought this up but either way, why would you call something a "scum slip" but then not instantly vote that person? if it's a scum slip then he is scum and you should be voting him. Also, what is the difference between the 2 things quoted below (you saying suki reads very town with no reasoning) and what tram said (mocsta is town)? Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to. and finally back onto me. The post in question is: | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:25 Vivax wrote: Nevermind, it was more at the bottom than I figured it would be. Ok., this made you go town then, guess I'll roll with the explanation. HF you are ready to scumread suki for saying that the atmosphere is shit? Frankly I see that as something subjective and cause you said it as scum doesn't mean that town can't feel that way. At least that's what I think is the core of your argument. What mindset comes to the thread and posts a scum case (on mocsta) and then another case because mocsta talked about thechyz that ended up calling thechyz just "weak and scummy maybe but i'll look into it" it was a giant wall of text that eventually said nothing based on a very small amount of posts that has 0 followup. Rayn just pointed out how suki played as town in a previous game and she returns to the thread and says things are going wrong? No. that's not what a towny does, the more people that are in the spotlight the better because people react differently under pressure, in no way shape or form is this a bad town atmosphere, it's very good right now and we're pretty on track to a pool of players IMO. + scooooobbbyyyy dooooo just trust me, i'm the heavyweight champion | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote: Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote: If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum. I agree that it's nothing like some of his scum games but that's not the points anyone is picking him up on, why does he have to troll/give up/be angry just because he rolled scum again? maybe he'd try hard in this game, maybe not? why are you only giving your town read to him and ignoring everything he's done in this game just because he's playing like he was elated despite him doing scummy things? | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:57 geript wrote: No, Mocs town. Vivax town. Suki new. Calvininho is new. So there's 4 people to vote for and 1 is 100% scum. On February 27 2014 12:28 geript wrote: Nah it's really not. Like, I have pretty solid townreads on most everyone else so theres like 4 people I can vote for so that makes it really easy. 2 of your solid "townreads" are because you refuse to lynch new people.......? | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:33 geript wrote: Nah, those 2 are because I refuse to lynch a newbie D1 so then you only have 2 "town reads" | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:43 Cavalinho wrote: Alright, back from my stint at the gym for today. Holyflare: I have absolutely no idea what you're saying here. I want to believe you're town, but I don't understand your thought process when suki clearly hasn't been here for a large period of time. Furthermore, geript isn't modconfirmed town. What the fuck? Was that really what he got from the mod message from page 56? At any rate, this game is a bit of a mess. I'm going to ##unvote for the moment, and see if everything starts making any sense. Everyone is literally arguing in a circle. Let me spell this out for you. Mafia's main aim of the game is to mislynch players and try to fit in and get themselves town read. Suki starts the game IMO differently to how she normally played (ignore what other people say that she was, they are dumb), she wasn't accusatory, she wasn't trying to question, she wasn't trying to solve. She returns to the thread and the first thing she does is make a case on Mocsta who she had already been voting. Now, a townies mindset would be: 1. Think a person is scum 2. Outline to the thread and vote 3. Pressure, discuss and determine whether you are wrong or right. A scum trying to emulate this can't possibly make someone elaborate because the more they elaborate the more likely that person is to appear towny to everyone else and then you look worse, so how else to fit in? You post something that everyone can agree with. What happens from suki next? She posts a case on chyz, who everyone was on top of and who everyone was considering scummy. She's in the mode for making cases so she's forced out a case, the trouble is he didn't post much and so there's nothing much to call scummy, thus her case looks really really bad and her conclusion is "weak and scummy" rather than "scummy". Not only this but she doesn't try and question mocsta and chyz further and further to try and determine their alignments. Most of her questions are "what do you think of x or y" which is classic scum blending in too. Not only this but the town atmosphere is very good, lots of people were put under pressure and town reads are popping up everywhere, rayn points out in her town game how MORE people were getting read as scum in her game and she was happy with that but in this game her stance is completely reversed, what possible reason is there for a towny to say this? None. There is no scum hunting aspect and her posts have no general overlay to scum hunting. Scooby doo is because she joined the adventure mspaint game while questioning it, it's minor but proven to catch out scum. Vivax also posted some stuff about her read flipping that made sense and i cba to bring it up so read it yourself. | ||
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On February 27 2014 13:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope. Basically nobody has. Except sort of JJD. well naturally i agree with it because i wrote similar things :o | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:04 WaveofShadow wrote: You should know how frustrating it is to put in effort and have basically nobody give a shit. As either alignment. well all you can do is point the stuff out and hope people see it and agree  what do you think of my points on suki? | ||
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