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Holyflare
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On February 27 2014 04:10 Vivax wrote: I posted my points after his last post. Still waiting for him to comment on that. You left nothing for him to comment on (also didn't realise all your posts were only very recent seeing as they were all about early game gumshoe), why does it matter what i'm doing if i'm just gathering information for myself? | ||
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My line of reasoning for asking about gumshoe was misled though because I thought you posted that much earlier than 10 pages ago. | ||
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No, I didn't read all of it at that point. I just found that post scummy and wrote the points right off the bat. Your only point on gumshoe was his first postyness, you tried to extrapolate and elaborate on that to both mocsta and wave by saying it most likely comes from a scum mindset but then just say you never read anything more from him???? Based on your posts he'd be your scum read but then you neglect to examine the rest of his posts anymore? I thought you just told me that we were "gathering information for town" but your posting follows this line of thought Besides, how can you draw the line between avoiding and not showing interest into somebody? Saying that I avoid somebody already puts the premise there that what I do is supposed to be scummy, which reflects a possible agenda to paint me as scummy. not talking about your read other than his first post screams more of an agenda than what you were talking about just now. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:28 Toadesstern wrote: any thoughts on this you two ? This still rubs me in all the wrong ways On February 26 2014 21:31 Holyflare wrote: No..........? I'm asking why he voted for a person whose intentions he must not of known because he qualifies the end of his post with an "explain?" If he did not know the explanation then why would the vote go down before he even heard the explanation? zzzz we've beem here before | ||
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On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote: You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:49 Toadesstern wrote: bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though. do you care to elaborate on that? you used me posting against geript to bolster how geript wasn't making sense, my vote is on mocsta and I have been pressuring him all the game, yet, i'm with both of them? | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:49 Toadesstern wrote: bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though. also adding to this, you seem to agree with a lot of what mocsta is saying but he's also in your bottom three over people like chyz that everyone and their mother has been discussing? don't get it | ||
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It's not so much agreeing per se but more the fact that the only reason you start to jump on mocsta is because of something i wrote (scum slip thing) and then when he explains it you completely drop your initial suspicion and talk over points with him and instead of getting to the bottom of motives you instead just disagree or point out why you think what he is saying is wrong/not possible. It doesn't look like an interaction with someone in your "bottom 3" scum suspects at all. Then there's your read on me... which is.... just lol | ||
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 also read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=40#794 | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shit i think i have cracked Holyflare's meta completely.  :O! i feel vunerable i am shocked nobody has even mentioned ange by the way, not even once i swear. even as a joke end day lynch for lulz? dat scummyness! | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck Holyflare that post made me think bad thoughts. Why would you even ask that about Ange? Don't make me the worst mafia player ever ok? It was sarcastic you tit | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote: I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required. when will you answer this? On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote: You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript | ||
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this is new player towny meta imo | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am kinda into Mocsta, geript idk, maybe gumshoe mafia? I still don't like suki's post on chyz + scooby doo of course | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:05 Vivax wrote: Rayn how confident are you that HF is town? Didn't like those questions he asked me back then. I felt like he wanted me to say obvious stuff. How can you go from stating like 1 page back that we shouldn't be giving out town reads but then the next page literally just asking for town reads????? Also @ Toad, why have you continuously put me in your top 3 scum reads but your only reasoning is for one post that I questioned you about? What is my scum motivation behind that? What else is there that makes you lean scum on me over people that have not been present or opportunistically posting? You haven't qualified it or discussed anything about me at all, or mocsta, yet we're still in your top 3. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:07 gumshoe wrote: 1: Nowhere in Vivax's post did he say I was "uninformed". I dont like how you made the distinction in my play be one of quality. Also you called my suki case bad, but consider her a question mark? I hate you this game Rayn T_T Your case on suki: As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand. These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now. is my case on suki: On February 27 2014 03:44 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 01:10 suki wrote: Case on TheChyz TheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating. He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of. Says this: Then votes geript with a pretty awful case. This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak. This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were. TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral? This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done. Other people's cases on TheChyz In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz. I like JJD's case: I don't think Mocsta's case is that good. I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious). I don't agree with: TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad. I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour. I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated. Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning - - - SUMMARY I think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people. I'm leaning towards scummy on him. Scummy things: 1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere 2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks) 3. not pushing his scum reads. 4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum. I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy. Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point. mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute. Do you always write at such length to come to the conclusion of "weak"? Why waste your time writing all that just to say that he might be or might not be scum when you could be spending it coming to something conclusive, like pressuring him as I've seen you do in your other games. | ||
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