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On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?
I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.
Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.
There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.
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On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.
No you literally reread him, even made a case that never ended up being a case because there were "townie things and scummy things so you ended up on a null read". Then, after suki has posted nothing at all after that, you say she is your #2 scumread.
That's pure bullshit.
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On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:@Geript Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type.
Geript,
I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general.
You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent???
Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad.
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On February 26 2014 17:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. No you literally reread him, even made a case that never ended up being a case because there were "townie things and scummy things so you ended up on a null read". Then, after suki has posted nothing at all after that, you say she is your #2 scumread. That's pure bullshit.
No, sometimes when you read filters, and posts are not quoted, its difficult to appreciate context.
I did the Suki filter dive before lunch.
I did a reread of the game after lunch.
What was my scumslip that you alluded to before.
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No Mocsta, your read on suki makes no sense. Either you made a bullshit read when you called her null, or you are making a bullshit read on her now when you call her town. Either way those things are contradicting each other and that alone makes you mafia.
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On February 26 2014 17:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Mocsta, your read on suki makes no sense. Either you made a bullshit read when you called her null, or you are making a bullshit read on her now when you call her town. Either way those things are contradicting each other and that alone makes you mafia.
LOL.
So Im town if my reads dont evolve as the game progresses
and scum if my reads  O* evolve as the game progresses
Good luck getting me lynched with that argument.
Do you have a problem I listed Suki as town because of my history with Suki; or becuase you disagree?
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Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already)
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy? Scummiest so far, yes So then why isn't your vote on me? This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
On February 26 2014 10:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy? Scummiest so far, yes So then why isn't your vote on me? This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? lol what. ##vote MocstaI never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). suki. I am confused why u r actually voting me. U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy. Can u go into more detail please.
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So what made you think of suki as a high town from a null read. Fill in the gap please.
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Here is where Mocsta makes a big fucking post on suki:
On February 26 2014 11:57 Mocsta wrote:hmmm started off by wanting to write a case on Suki but now ended up as nullish.Anyways for reference: + Show Spoiler +(1) On February 26 2014 09:08 suki wrote:
Hey guys, so I moved my thing that I had tonight to Wednesday day/night so I'm here now.
I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells.
Right now my spell list is:
##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote. For me, if you want to fake claim, you just do it. "I am HP, I have #spells" blah blah . The addition of "having to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird" is verbose and the type of fluff I find people write to make themselves feel safe with a lie <--- indicative of a mafia mindset.
(2) On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
So are you saying I'm scummy? On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Scummiest so far, yes On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
So then why isn't your vote on me? On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.-
And something I throw out as scum all the time.
Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.
Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:
lol what.
##vote Mocsta
I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy.
Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). I've read this exchange a couple times and come to the same conclusion... null. I completely agree with what I wrote: "so then why isn't your vote on me?" is very passive aggressive for early Day1 and is a precursor to calling somebody scum. HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling that Suki is retorting emotionally/personally -- which ties in with being called not Suki prior -- and thus makes me consider this is a townie going passive aggressive based on anger.
(3) The rest of the filter makes me lean town somewhat. Im leaning towards I haven't communicated my position well, and Suki has interpreted me the wrong way.
Now it's quite clear he has put a lot of thought into this case (regardless of the conclusion) if he is town. Okay, that means he has read suki's posts with thought and this is not a "okay let's just throw something from the top of my head" type of a post.
The only thing suki posts after this is "I still think Mocsta is my #1 scumread. cya tomorrow".
This is something that is at best a null post for town!Mocsta because it doesn't really say anything new.
This is what Mocsta posts next:
On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Caught up and re-read
Current reads:
Wave
Suki
Gumshoe
Calvalinho
toadesstern
ange777
jarjardrinks
vivax
geript
Holyflare
thechyz
rayn
Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work.
Now, suddenly, suki is his top 2 town read, which makes no sense based on what suki has done between these two posts from Mocsta.
Possible explanations for contradiction are:
- The first post is in fact not so thought out Mocsta implies -> Mocsta is mafia because there is no town motivation to make that kind of a post if he in fact has just skimmed through the posts and not paid real attention.
- The second post where he says suki is suddenly town is a leap of logic -> Mocsta is mafia because townies do not change their mind for no reason.
Now, there is no fucking reason why Mocsta would go from reasoning(post1) to reasoning(post2) unless one of the above is true.
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@Moscta, because most of the cases one me are weak as hell and the only thing I agree with is that I had been making fairly soft cases early on and not pushing my reads.
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Rayn I hope you apply this read criteria to all players herewith
Gentlemen and 2 ladiesif rayn cannot follow your thought process intimately than YOU MUST be scum.
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Hey wave, rayn is. Creating 2 options where I must be compartmentalized as scum.
How does this fit in with your prior theory that town should be inherently open to possibilities??
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On February 26 2014 17:59 TheChyz wrote:
@Moscta, because most of the cases one me are weak as hell and the only thing I agree with is that I had been making fairly soft cases early on and not pushing my reads.
And somehow once again you manage to not put your balls on the chopping block and commit to stating whether suki and I are scum reads. your responses falls direcrly inti my case, yet isnt a point worht discussing to you
Chortle
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On February 26 2014 13:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 12:16 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, I'm quite happy where my vote is. So, you are happy that your scum read has posted so brazenly that within a span of 2hrs you have identified multiple "contradictions". Congratulations HF, with scum hunting like this, the game is over before it started. Ok, I'll humour you. Explain to me why you get all on wave for posting his gumshoe policy meaningless post and telling him how if he's town he isn't being conducive to finding gumshoe's alignment On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? but then the past page and a half of your filter is all self-meta posts and chastising me for having a scum read on you (peppered slightly with gumshoe/suki stuff)? What kind of environment are you trying to create and if it's a townies best interest to glean information from others sensible posts why are you berating me instead of questioning why I have those reads? I'm prob treating you differently because I think you are town and thats my way of dealing with you whether right or wrong.I fail to see from any of this why its mafia mindset specific. I haven't read RSM since we played it, so no idea if its reminiscent I doubt it given my care factor for that game was zilch. As I said in my first post, I had high hopes for this game when I got my town pm. Then I lost my phone in the train tracks which put a considerable dent into the day. Am I making an emotional play here, no I am not. Im am merely giving context for where my care factor is today even given my shitty start to the day. Hot Tip, its pretty high.
3 posts later?
On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Caught up and re-read
Current reads:
Wave
Suki
Gumshoe
Calvalinho
toadesstern
ange777
jarjardrinks
vivax
geript
Holyflare
thechyz
rayn
Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work.
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3hrs and a reread
frankly when i wrote i think you are town i was struggling for choice of words
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choice refresh by the way hahah
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and your stance on the JJD thing was nothing to do with intimidation it's to do with the fact that you said to wave "even if it's not intimidation it gleans nothing about gumshoe's alignment", yet, in the next 2 pages of your filter the majority of it was nothing to do with discovering alignments and ALL to do with people "knowing" yours
the mafia mindset behind it is that you were under a lot of pressure in your mind and the first thing that goes through your mind was to post how you were playing to your town meta rather than your scum one and then jump on people that called you scum for reasoning you didn't understand rather than discuss it through to get people to have a different frame of mind on you and do more scum hunting. In fact, when I gave you the opportunity to explain your thought processes you said it's because you thought I was town and now you have completely backtracked on that and put me in your bottom 3 and so your explanation now holds 0 weight at all
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On February 26 2014 20:39 Holyflare wrote:
and your stance on the JJD thing was nothing to do with intimidation it's to do with the fact that you said to wave "even if it's not intimidation it gleans nothing about gumshoe's alignment", yet, in the next 2 pages of your filter the majority of it was nothing to do with discovering alignments and ALL to do with people "knowing" yours
the mafia mindset behind it is that you were under a lot of pressure in your mind and the first thing that goes through your mind was to post how you were playing to your town meta rather than your scum one and then jump on people that called you scum for reasoning you didn't understand rather than discuss it through to get people to have a different frame of mind on you and do more scum hunting. In fact, when I gave you the opportunity to explain your thought processes you said it's because you thought I was town and now you have completely backtracked on that and put me in your bottom 3 and so your explanation now holds 0 weight at all
my whole issue with wave was intimidation.
I dont care if you think otherwise.
regarding the second paragraph, i dont see where in the post you quoted i jumped on JJD.
further, as town I always change my reads actively. thats a known fact.
Further again, obviously we have a communication breakdown.
My usage of the word town ranges frmo 51% to 100% in other peoples scale.
My only "firm"/"strong" town read is Wave.
Im not even sure why ppl like rayn are stating Suki is my second strongest town read, she just happens to be the first person in my "townish" bracket.
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TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript
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Haven't played with suki but I read her games and while she started trolling, much like here, in shadow reboot she then picked it up with meaty questioning and accusations, I don't see that happening here.
+ hardcore scooby doo
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