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So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail?
Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it.
Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list
Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning?
I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on.
I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key.
Also I might lynch JJD.
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On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
JJD, this is your only real concluding post so far (apart from your start, I liked your start). What exactly are you trying to say here, you had a read on mocsta but you've completely thrown it away despite him doing what you think is scummy because you then think someone else is doing something that stops mocsta from being scum?
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On February 26 2014 21:37 Mocsta wrote:lol reading.
havent read the town games yet.
but based on the 2 scum games i saw (2014 and 2012)
I dont find them anything like this game.
Nice thing was, in the 2014 scum game, TheChz was there as town, so gotta read that one too.
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On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting:
So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail?
Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it.
Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list
Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning?
I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on.
I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key.
Also I might lynch JJD.
Well in really small mafia I did the scooby doo thing and the way I caught GGTemplar was from his joining in with the mini game while questioning what the hell was going on and perpetuating that I was clogging up the thread. Suki did a similar start to this but didn't perpetuate it, hence why I wanted to let her post more to see if she would.
Either way, her posting style was quite evident in her town games and I haven't seen it here yet but she's promised to deliver more later so I can only wait and see.
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On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting:
So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail?
Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it. He was asking loaded questions where his mind was already made up before the question was asked - in my opinion.
Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list
Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning?
I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on. I cant tell if this is rhetorical? We seem to be saying the same thing?
I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key.
Also I might lynch JJD.
I havent done it yet, BUT, before considering JJD its prob pertinent to read BttB.
I keep getting the feeling his trajectory is following a similar path, but I dont know why.
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On February 26 2014 21:50 Mocsta wrote:havent read the town games yet. but based on the 2 scum games i saw (2014 and 2012) I dont find them anything like this game. Nice thing was, in the 2014 scum game, TheChz was there as town, so gotta read that one too.
I'm talking about her town games, (check shadow reboot etc), her posting style is a lot more inquisitive/accusatory than what I've seen so far
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HF, as a rule of thumb (and i believe I said this in GSl too)
I dont hold much merit in the shadow games due to coaching influence.
Regardless of whether a player used the coach effectively or not, its still a subconscious confidence booster, and inherently provokes people to think about issues deeper.
I will read the game regardless since you say there is a difference -- just giving my 2c about that in general.
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Rayn when you get the chance since you're the master of all things gumshoe:
Can you find me a towngame where he gets martyry-y and/or incessantly discusses his own meta?
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Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people
Is that weird?
Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript.
Why?
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On February 26 2014 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people
Is that weird?
Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript.
Why?
only use it on people i dunno anything about
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I don't think it's as different as you make it out to be. He does have 2 pages in day 1 here though whereas he had 4 on day 3 in that game :D
Besides, don't base everything on dem meta's because what he's done this game is questionable anyway.
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On February 26 2014 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people
Is that weird?
Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript.
Why?
Im really conflicted on Geript.
On one hand, it feels like he is going out of his way to explain his position. I think hes writing freely (albeit hes overusing "like").
On the other hand, none of what he writes makes sense to me.
To be honest, im kinda hesitant to pus him one way or another but tahts cos my last memory of him was trolling DP to rage quit i spose and then modkilling himself. Meh
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On February 26 2014 22:02 Holyflare wrote:I don't think it's as different as you make it out to be. He does have 2 pages in day 1 here though whereas he had 4 on day 3 in that game :D Besides, don't base everything on dem meta's because what he's done this game is questionable anyway.
I find it completely different because in the town game he shows an inquisitive mindset and even from a skim its clear he has his own thoughts on the game.,
Look with suki, there sa massive change in style between shadow and shadow reboot. Just overall light heartedness.
From glancing over the town n scum games; personally i still think she is town; HOWEVER, I also have noticed that after the first 24hrs or so she tends to produce analytical posts.
I suggest this will be the best way to get an accurate read on her.
Unfortunately its highly possible she will bandwagon Chz (which is relatively legitimate as either alginment) so I am not actually sure how much weight to give that.
meh. bored now.
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On February 26 2014 21:25 Holyflare wrote:Toad why you writing so much to justify your read on geript who you are already voting for? This is what doesn't add up: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together.
so you're telling me I shouldn't push the guy I think to be the best lynch because that makes me look like I care?
1) The thing you quoted was before he stated that he knew what was going on all along
2) Asking him to explain lead to him saying that he knew all along what was going on
3) Making him talk about this will most likely make it easier for me to explain to you why geript needs to be lynched because look at his posts
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oh Mocsta already came to the rescue. Good boy.
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On February 26 2014 21:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. JJD, this is your only real concluding post so far (apart from your start, I liked your start). What exactly are you trying to say here, you had a read on mocsta but you've completely thrown it away despite him doing what you think is scummy because you then think someone else is doing something that stops mocsta from being scum? Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again. Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular:
On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Current reads:
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rayn
On February 26 2014 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gentlemen and 2 ladiesif rayn cannot follow your thought process intimately than YOU MUST be scum. This 2nd post doesn't read to me like he's talking about a scumread.
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u seem to have trouble reading australian sarcasm JJD
It was a clear dig @ rayn.
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wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD.
Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness.
At the very least this is worth some talking
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On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:@Geript Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript,I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad.
Toad calls for millers to claim
Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller
Toad says no but he likes the question
Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy.
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