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On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote: Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:23 Mocsta wrote: Because you're not trying to actually talk to me. You're trying to provoke me; its pretty clear you are talking with me with a premeditated mindset. So fuck off. I am wondering why you are using things that are alignment unindicative to push your reads to people, in no way am I provoking you. Either way, the first half of the post is asking about suki.......so answer it please. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. JJD, this is your only real concluding post so far (apart from your start, I liked your start). What exactly are you trying to say here, you had a read on mocsta but you've completely thrown it away despite him doing what you think is scummy because you then think someone else is doing something that stops mocsta from being scum? | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting: So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail? Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it. Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning? I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on. I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key. Also I might lynch JJD. Well in really small mafia I did the scooby doo thing and the way I caught GGTemplar was from his joining in with the mini game while questioning what the hell was going on and perpetuating that I was clogging up the thread. Suki did a similar start to this but didn't perpetuate it, hence why I wanted to let her post more to see if she would. Either way, her posting style was quite evident in her town games and I haven't seen it here yet but she's promised to deliver more later so I can only wait and see. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:50 Mocsta wrote: havent read the town games yet. but based on the 2 scum games i saw (2014 and 2012) I dont find them anything like this game. Nice thing was, in the 2014 scum game, TheChz was there as town, so gotta read that one too. I'm talking about her town games, (check shadow reboot etc), her posting style is a lot more inquisitive/accusatory than what I've seen so far | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people Is that weird? Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript. Why? only use it on people i dunno anything about | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:54 Mocsta wrote: ermmm HF some feedback would be appreciated http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all Thats Chz as town, for me, his filter here and there is markedly different. Agree? I don't think it's as different as you make it out to be. He does have 2 pages in day 1 here though whereas he had 4 on day 3 in that game :D Besides, don't base everything on dem meta's because what he's done this game is questionable anyway. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:08 Toadesstern wrote: so you're telling me I shouldn't push the guy I think to be the best lynch because that makes me look like I care? 1) The thing you quoted was before he stated that he knew what was going on all along 2) Asking him to explain lead to him saying that he knew all along what was going on 3) Making him talk about this will most likely make it easier for me to explain to you why geript needs to be lynched because look at his posts On February 26 2014 21:31 Holyflare wrote: No..........? I'm asking why he voted for a person whose intentions he must not of known because he qualifies the end of his post with an "explain?" If he did not know the explanation then why would the vote go down before he even heard the explanation? Also, | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote: [/b]Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. [b\##unvote ##vote toadescum Toad tries shenanigans to catch people out - alignment unindicative rayn can do it as either alignment - semi alignment indicative.....? wut? random joke looking town read - alignment unindicative fixated on you and only you - instant scum, vote? don't think that adds up at all, where does toad go from being alignment null to scum based on his return of not liking your explanation? | ||
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On February 27 2014 02:22 geript wrote: If I flip red though, why would you bother reading Chyz or however it's spelled. Like that's one of the stupidest things anyone could say. Like you're happy he's voting with you now, but when I flip red, then you're willing to take a serious look at him? That's real fucking scummy bro. Out of all the useless shit you've spouted this may actually hold some weight | ||
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On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote: Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe Oh well back to lurking. Because this is tl mafia where lurkers lurk till deadline and then talk out of a lynch and stay till lylo so we normally end up losing | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:10 suki wrote: Case on TheChyz TheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating. He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of. Says this: Then votes geript with a pretty awful case. This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak. This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were. TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral? This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done. Other people's cases on TheChyz In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz. I like JJD's case: I don't think Mocsta's case is that good. I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious). I don't agree with: TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad. I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour. I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated. Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning - - - SUMMARY I think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people. I'm leaning towards scummy on him. Scummy things: 1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere 2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks) 3. not pushing his scum reads. 4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum. I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy. Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point. mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute. Do you always write at such length to come to the conclusion of "weak"? Why waste your time writing all that just to say that he might be or might not be scum when you could be spending it coming to something conclusive, like pressuring him as I've seen you do in your other games. Not only that but I noticed something rather odd in mocsta's responses so far between players: On February 27 2014 01:17 Mocsta wrote: Suki, reading your case and then the comments on mine is pretty funny. Theres a reason with Chz you are so unsure of his position.. its because he is intentionally not releasing the information, so *YOU* have to fill the gaps. This is classic scum play. My case highlights this - so i thought. And again, you seem to be completely misinterpreting what I write but meh, you gotta live with these things sometimes. If you want an example of the impact ambiguity can play. Check out Mordanis in GSL Mafia IV. Everyone filled in the gaps for him, and just assumed he didnt know better. Seriously Suki, you played recently with Chz where he was town and you were scum. Do you think there are similarities in play? Mocsta, why is this response so much more different to how you responded to me doing apparently the same thing? On February 26 2014 21:23 Mocsta wrote: Because you're not trying to actually talk to me. You're trying to provoke me; its pretty clear you are talking with me with a premeditated mindset. So fuck off. Why is there such a ridiculous flip in emotions between me and suki? She isn't trying to determine things, yet, she's "misinterpreting" instead of "misrepresenting" (what you said i was doing). | ||
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On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote: Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe Oh well back to lurking. Got anything other than your gumshoe point? I notice how you only conclude that his post is scum orientated but don't pressure it further, ask him about it or vote him, yet, with Geript you ask him to elaborate on posts you aren't sure about and pressure him to expand on his reads. Why is that? | ||
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who woulda thought that messages only stay in the thread when the person is around! wut is this newfangled internet contraption :OOOOOOOOO | ||
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