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Roleblock chains resolve from the last roleblock in the chain. For example: A->B->C->D->Medic, A will roleblock B, so B doesn't block C, so C blocks D, which means the Medic power resolves. That shouldn't be that way. Night actions should all happen at the same time in 2 stages. First everything that is a RB happens, all RB's happen at the same time. Then everything that is not an RB happens, all at the same time. At least that's how it got explained to me, because it's the same with other nightactions as well: If vig A shoots Vig B who shoots C, C should not be saved because both shots happen at the same time. Same with RB's. If RB A roleblocks B, who roleblocks C, C should not be saved. So basicly if A roleblocks B who roleblocks C, who roleblocks D, who roleblocks A all 4 of them should end up being roleblocked. Just saying in case this isn't on purpose for some reason. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:01 HiroPro wrote: There is nothing wrong with resolving roleblocks (unlike other night actions) as least conflict. There are plenty of setups that work like this (c9++ is a good example). There's nothing illegitimate about it: a site like mafiascum even has it as their preferred way of dealing with resolution (Roleblocker). And in a mini setup like this that has town roleblockers, I'd actually argue that it's better to have it as least conflict over simultaneous. It's not a very strong role as it is. it's a weak role but neither way of resolving actually buffs it. You could argue that not simultaneous makes it even worse, as a Town-RB is an incredibly hard role to play as. Probably one of the hardest powerroles there is to play and mafia has an information advantage over the Town-RB, so the benefits are more likely to help mafia than town simply because Mafia won't RB themselves while the mafia-RB will at least always hit into town. So if you want a somewhat more useful Town-RB I'd actually make it simultaneous to make sure that on the rare occastions when he actually does something that isn't anti-town it'll go through. But I didn't know there's both options to resolve this. Whatever host wants is fine as long as it's clear  | ||
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It's only been last week and the answers in question clear it up quite nicely, which is the reason the Model-OP was changed so that it can only be interpreted in one way. Like Marv said, it's normal "this" way but could have been interpreted both ways before | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: The quoted below is in addition to votes cast on D1 correct? ##vote: raynpelikoneet I have a plan and i am not sure if this is the best plan because i have not thought it through from every angle yet but does anyone know what i am doing? sounds good to me, I like this ##vote: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Why do you think Rayn voted for himself? no idea | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so apparently the starting votes for the day don't mean shit if i read this correctly? Then it's... meaningless? What's the point? the point is that you're not allowed to unvote at any point during the game, thus you can not start "unvoted" because you'd stay "unvoted" until you vote someone. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. that was @rayn | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote: wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that? somewhat. Not really the votes themselves but rather some reaction caused by those votes. It's not going to be just about the innitial votes, it's going to be for the entire game that you can't unvote. Noone is taking these votes serious and I see no reason why he should be thinking about this if not for some weird paranoid reasons. And I'm doing vocabs right now... I'm only going to f5 every 15 minutes or so... | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you agree with prplhz's vote on me? Actually this goes to everyone. If you read my posts, you'll find that I actually said the exact same thing and that I as well have my vote on you. So yes. | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:57 Toadesstern wrote: sounds good to me, I like this ##vote: raynpelikoneet I didn't feel the need to vote myself and revote you for a more dramatic expression of my desire to get you lynched. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote: Let's go with this: ##unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern His +1 on prplhz's vote is super-weak. Why is Toad agreeing with prplhz that rayn is looking for a way not to take stands? Toad is passingly familiar enough with rayn to know that's not how rayn operates. Naughty toad. I voted him because I like voting rayn after the last game we had together, just look at the post I quoted while voting him. I think that was the first game we had together so no I don't really know how he plays considering that I ragequited because of him on d2. At least I don't recall any other game. Do you honestly think I'm going after him in all seriousness right now instead of just taking sidestabs at him for last game? After posts like these: On February 20 2014 09:43 Toadesstern wrote: I didn't feel the need to vote myself and revote you for a more dramatic expression of my desire to get you lynched. ? I had the same idea as prplhz had and said I can't think of a reason why a town would want to proppose this and I'd still like to see his reasoning for all this. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:32 marvellosity wrote: you can't say 1) "I'm not going after him seriously" and 2) "but I need to hear from him about this" 1) is backing out of it and yet you're pushing it with 2) my vote stands while I go to bed you don't seem to have gotten the timeline of events correct. First I voted him, then I asked him about this and why he's doing that. So yeah I actually can say that because that's how it went down | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote: toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it. well sorry, but that's usually how it ends up looking if I vote someone for fun and end up having issues with him that I want cleared afterwards. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case? there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else. So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy? Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game? | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toadesstern do you think being able to unvote in general is pro-town or pro-mafia? On February 20 2014 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not what i am saying. Stop fucking twisting my words or l2read. I am already getting mad at you and that's not what i want. neither really as long as people are aware of it. There's very minor upsides to it for both sides and I'd say they counter each other out to a point that it's completly irrelevant. | ||
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It's basicly the same way I caught mafia the last game were you got me lynched. Remember the miller thing that I pointed out 3 hours into the game and I wasn't sure what to make of it early on? It's literally the same thing and I'm not liking it one bit. | ||
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 Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Simple question Toad. At this moment do you think i am mafia or not? suki i am always serious. no idea. Despite wanting to lynch you I obviously think foolishness' advice to not just yolo d1 was sound (if I just hadn't selfkilled later on) and that's what I'm going to do with you as well, just without the selfkill thing involved. On February 20 2014 11:36 suki wrote: Also Toad so your vote on rayn wasn't serious right? Who is the most scummy to you at the moment and why? noone else that really made me go "woah this guy be mafia 4 sure!!" so far On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" On February 20 2014 21:38 marvellosity wrote: So you've been in two games with Toad then? "passingly familiar" hardly is false then is it? :> I've played "3" games with rayn I think. #1 A game that had both rayn and vayn, was my first game with both, I never read their filter because it was confusing the crap out of me and I ended up thinking they're both the same because the name's are so alike #2 The game I replaced in n1 that ended on n1. #3 The drama-queen one where I got pissed at him and basicly died n1 because I didn't post d2 anymore. So I'd say I played about 0.75 games with him tops... You also know that I'm not the kind of guy who goes back to read old games. You also know that I'm the kind of guy who confuses people with each other a lot and that a lot of stuff that happened in past games mixes in my mind, hell I can't even remember a single game name once it's over. We've been in skype and you do know that. So why did you think I'm particular familiar with rayn's play, probably to the point that I could pinpoint something about it? You usually don't consider me that skilled of a player. Also what's the point about how I made no sense with the vote because to me it still makes sense, apparently also to Rayn... it's just what happened if you look at the timestamps. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote: Toad who is scum and why is it you? I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I never said you pinpointed rayn's play or anything, that's not what I said. I was actually quite vague. you used it to paint me as scum basicly saying I should know better. I don't care how vague you are about that to be honest if you're doing it. You're usually not someone who likes to be vague when talking about meta or someone's reasoning for being town/mafia. How come you just blurted that out without looking it up or taking into consideration that the 2 games I had with him recently both ended on d1 on for me, one being a PM game, one being a ragequit on d1 from me where I certainly didn't go "woahwoahwoah, let's coold down a little and read his filter nice and slowly" | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind? You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad): There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are: 1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate. However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. 2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia. 3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game. Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki; Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why. If what i was doing was (1), then i am town. If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment. If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly. So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote: I said you should know better than to think rayn would want to get out of taking a stand. Which you should. That's simply true. If there's anything that's immediately obvious about rayn's play is that he is never afraid to take stands, and you don't need an amazing memory to think about that, especially if you've been in a couple of games quite recently with him. Jog on, Toad. THAT'S EXACTLY THE THING. I don't consider it that way and neither should you. I don't consider a game I joined on n1, that was aborted on n1, that I spend the entirty of n1 to read while you both ignored me until I finished reading, which happened about 30 minutes before the game was canceled a game I "played" with him... On February 20 2014 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this can't possibly be true because your response to me is a response to the post where i explain myself. I never asked you why you DID think i am mafia, i asked you why you DO think i am mafia given my explanation. Like you really didn't understand that? I like to explain my reasoning when talking about things. I said that your explanation makes sense. That's the part where I explain what I thought about you at that moment. I didn't want to leave it just like that so I added the explanation about how the change of mind occured though the explanation apparently should have been more in detail because it seems to creep people out. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:06 marvellosity wrote: "I don't consider that I've been in multiple games with rayn recently even though I have" it's brilliant really. how you consider a game that I replaced into, that ended up being canceled 30 minutes after I posted a game I played with him and therefore I should know better because I played a bunch with him is just beyond me. Even rayn said you're pulling shit out of your ass right here and that's quite something comming from you considering we're talking about me here. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:10 Toadesstern wrote: how you consider a game that I replaced into, that ended up being canceled 30 minutes after I posted a game I played with him and therefore I should know better because I played a bunch with him is just beyond me. Even rayn said you're pulling shit out of your ass right here and that's quite something comming from him considering we're talking about me here. EBWOP | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here is what happened: Toad: "you are mafia because of X" Me: "This is why i said X from every perspective. #1 i am town and this is why i said it..." Toad: "Well #1 can't be true" Some random shit happens here. Me: So do you think i am mafia or not? Toad: Not necessarily because #1 can be true. So this fucking shit does not make any sense to me because Toad is changing his mind based on nothing relevant to the discussion. I especially asked, based on my reasoning "which is it". Here, is this question so unclear Toad can possibly twist it into something stupid: [.... here is where some random shit happens.....] Now, there MUST BE SOMETHING BETWEEN THE RED PARTS that makes Toad change his mind. What is it? Dude I just told you that the first red part you quoted is talking about my stance on you BEFORE you did that giant post explaining it and that the giant post you did is the thing that changed my mind. Do you just not believe it or do you ignore that? Because if you put it in that order it makes an awful lot of sense. | ||
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Because I have still no idea what's the issue with anything here and it's getting quite frustrating to state it over again even if someone else already pointed the exact same thing out before I got in here again and explains how it's just pisspoor wording? | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: So in the first red part Toad answers to half of my post and reaches into conclusion "this is really scummy". When i press it further he answers the rest of the post and reaches into conclusion "not so scummy any more". Now, who the fuck answers only the parts of a post that suit his agenda? mafia. no... the first part isn't answering anything. It's explaining my thoughts while going through it, making sure people understand me which is apparently failing horribly. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are asked a very clear question and you answer it by only referencing a small portion of the explanation. You didn't even read the whole post of mine or you are intentionally leaving out the portion that does not suit your "rayn is scum" agenda. Both of the explanations are extremely scummy. The entire post of yours works under the assumption "these are the only 3 options available", I clearly stated that's not how I saw it as there's more options and Palmar did so as well. Therefore I left out the useless part that didn't apply because the innitial assumption was flawed. But fine, I'll guess this thing has to be mutual so I'll stop answering these things, do my thing and give you something later tonight... I'm off picking up my sis so afk for a while, that should cool me off a little | ||
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needs some lynching: Quick summary: I checked out Newbie Mini Mafia LI, Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1 and TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart:. If there's some more recent town game I'd be happy to take a look at that but couldn't find him in the Database at all (?!?) and looked at the games linked in his profile. That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it but ballsy might fit as well. Usually it's the other way around as people, especially new guys, are scared to post when rolling mafia but that does not seem to be the case for Balla24. Explaining his town-behavior is with a limited amount of posts could be possible but I think it's much better if you look through this yourself: Newbie Mini Mafia LI and see for yourself how reserved and understand he's posting when rolling town. I could give you a couple of posts but it's all over the place. This doesn't look like what he's done in Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1, TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart: or in this game so far at all. Take a look at Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1: + Show Spoiler [open me up!] + On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote: Nice flower. It's very beautiful. ##vote Balla24 [note from me: election vote for mayor, he's not actually voting himself for lynch] My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you. P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote: P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately. On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote: hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor? On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote: better than you generically calling people out every couple posts.... On January 26 2014 14:19 Balla24 wrote: ^_^ So seriously though, your explanation to me wasn't really that solid... "worth a try", why do you care? I expect you to know better. He does not give a crap about what people think about him, or wants to make it look that way. He's playing a lot more ballsy than when he rolled town. This looks nothing like his town game above. The second game I looked into is a bit harder to pinpoint the same things in single point but it still looks nothing like he town game, just not that extreme as he's no, if I had to it's be something like On January 20 2014 09:27 Balla24 wrote: It's not dumb, but it also just seems like standard stuff. If you are PR obviously you claim if you are going to get lynched, unless i'm missing something. but that's a cherrypick. But same as the towngame, go through the filter yourself click me! and you'll see it looks nothing like his calm, understanding, good-cop approach he's taking when he's town Just compare his mafia posts with stuff like this from his town-game and like I said, this may be cherrypicked but that kind of stuff it ALL OVER his filter: On January 06 2014 11:22 Balla24 wrote: Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far. Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him. Now that that's out here's what I'm seeing him do this game: + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 08:42 Balla24 wrote: haha thats retarded... i thought it had something to do with millers and forcing yourself to a claim On February 20 2014 08:47 Balla24 wrote: well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy On February 20 2014 08:53 Balla24 wrote: i'm not on jayb's level of making cases based on starting emotion~ On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote: The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:20 Balla24 wrote: Moi aussi gogo Add to that that he has questional posts just by himself like: On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote: The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote: So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games. That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?" Balla24 needs lynching ##vote Balla24 | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:22 Balla24 wrote: The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that... Well about the meta, yeah I only picked early posts because it's d1 and I compared your early posts to your early posts this game. I'll relook into what you said about the bottom part. Honestly the post was supposed to be only meta and I wanted to make a 2nd post about that part but thought fuck it and just included it before leaving with my dog. So like I said, give me some time on that until I'm back to adress that. About sidesprange, because I used to coach him, directly from the coaching QT: Answer towards HF's "how do you usually play as town": 1. I don't like spam, so ideally I would want to have a playstyle that have fewer posts and them all pretty much have valuable content. Ofcourse I am far from this atm. I deffo have room to post way more than I do. 2. Sometimes I don't have time, but that is more just one day that I miss or something like that. I will never be short on time for the entire game. 3. Main reason for my low posting is because I have trouble figuring out what to say. Which most often comes down to me not being very good at finding scum. I think the only way to figure him out is to meta him given that I don't think there's a reason to lie to your coach about how you want to play as town. I could get more into detail about this but don't think that'd be a good thing | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toad i am going to tell you one thing: The opposite.... really, the opposite. how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games. | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is a "case" i made on him in NMM, one of tha games you quoted: Well it's about his openings and not about he's playing in general as that's the only thing we've got so far, so I don't really care about how he's playing after d2, later or how long his filter is going to be later on because that's yet to be seen. On February 21 2014 02:46 marvellosity wrote: Toad, do you think your case on Balla is stronger than what's been said about suki? If so, why? (or how I guess) What's been unconvincing about what people have said about suki to you? haven't looked into suki in detail yet. From what I've seen and what my gut says she looks like how she played in the game I co-hosted, the one you coached as well, the one were people ended up lynching her despite being town. Always talking about stuff that's on her mind without thinking about it. You wanted me to look for scum myself so I've ignored her to not just run into a situation where I just end up +1ing what's already been said even if that might be helpful as well if she's actually mafia as that won't give you anything about me. Balla's the one that I ended up with. Not quite sure what to make of you, Koshi, Sidesprang and Oats if you must know. Those would be the next people to look into for me and suki belongs in there now as well. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay not really going into more detail. Toad your case is based largely on meta and i don't see a conclusion that implies Balla's meta as you describe it supports him being mafia in this game. fine... at least it's not the same "you disagree with me so you're retarded" bullshit from last game so at least thanks for trying to not make me angry I guess. I'll take a look at suki next and probably Balla24 (and the other towngame someone linked) again tomorrow and see how he's posting in there because I still think his opening's completly off. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look, i am not trying to be an asshole towards you. I am trying to understand why you say things you do because i need to figure out if you are town or mafia. If i can't understand why, i am inclined to think you are mafia because.. well you know what i mean. I know i am really aggressive and shit, but i just want you to explain your motivations behind your posts when i don't get them as it helps me getting a better read on you. So please, if you are town, try to understand me. I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). Basically that's why i called your post bad, but not scummy. I think you might be on the right track, but in order to get a better read on YOU and not on Balla i would like you to clarify why do you think his play in this game indicates he is playing towards his scum meta? About this, not sure if you want me to answer it right now or when I'm done checking his other town game tomorrow so I'll spoiler it because like I'd say I'd rather look at suki first and keep Balla for tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + I looked at his opening in the town game I got from him and the two mafia games I got on him because I considered looking at his overall play pointless at this point in time. I do think the openings between town <-> mafia are completly different. I'm seeing the same behavior in this game so far. What he's posting as town is stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote: Who's gonna help me create a tough environment for mafia to hide in & help me lynch some mafia? If so, how do you suggest we proceed in day 1? My top priorities are - to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out. - immediately start some conversation by having some arguments (this is where its a bit tricky), we need people to fos right away when they feel off about somebody so that we can start reading each other. On January 06 2014 07:33 Balla24 wrote: @Asuna Hihi~ Considering you are a new comer, what is your experience with this game? Is this your first time, how did you get into it etc.. On January 06 2014 07:37 Balla24 wrote: So like, have you played a lot or have you watched/read any games before this? On January 06 2014 07:42 Balla24 wrote: I appreciate the defense but... he's IC he can do whatever he wants including mess around... Instead of trying to pocket me let's hear how you're gonna help me achieve my goals of catching scum On January 06 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote: @Asuna how do you feel about TheChyz's entry post? On January 06 2014 07:55 Balla24 wrote: You must of misunderstood me... "my goals of catching scum" not specifically my OWN priorities. I'm fine with others having their own priorities, but overall this game is about catching scum. Another point, i'm not active in lynching lurkers, that's not what he said and its not what I said. My goal is to create an environment where it's HARD to survive as a lurker, that is, a very active game where the lurker #s are down very very low and are easy to single out. If it comes to the point where i have to lynch a lurker because there's no better lynch I will but that is not my priority. he's shockingly calm, understanding and "down to earth" in every single post he does in that game early on and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did, except for his very first "hi" post quoted. he doesn't have this attitude when he starts as mafia at all: + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote: Nice flower. It's very beautiful. ##vote Balla24 My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you. P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote: P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately. On January 26 2014 07:33 Balla24 wrote: come on IRC #tlmafia get in the habit of it On January 26 2014 07:43 Balla24 wrote: Don't you know his account info though?..... On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote: hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor? On January 26 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote: Haha reputation? I have reputation? On January 26 2014 08:26 Balla24 wrote: You got me! he's calm in these posts as well alright but the seriousness from his towngames is completly missing, which is what I tried to get at when I said he's more into people's faces. A lot more useless posts, they're equally short or long imo so I do disagree with you on that point but I don't see a clear purpose here. Again I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it either... but it's not the good-cop-attitude he's showing off in his town game at all His response to my case is making me somewhat wonder right now because it DOES show that reasonable approach he usually has as town but I that's a null after I tell him that that's the beef I'm having with him. Maybe you're right about him being more in your face later on in games, idk, like I said I only paid attention to d1 behavior right now, maybe that's the reason he's talking like that when he's rolling mafia as well because he's know to be like that in general, just no on d1? I looked through suki's filter and it makes me pretty null on her except for that one time when she's talking about me. That part where she mentioned she'd be more than happy to vote me if her vote is required after talking about how someone else is mafia for a lot. Need some other games from her first. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
"and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did" = "and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did I'm quoting here" | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
"I want to lynch this guy [...here are about 20 lines of text...] but I'd totally be fine to lynch Toad if my vote is needed!" nothing that make me feel strongly in either direction about her. Given that I couldn't find anything of importance while trying to look through her I'd say it's time to look at Oats instead for now and well, still Balla tomorrow and Sidesprang when and if he starts to post. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote: He managed to get all the scummy people voting for him. so after 3 or so scummy people vote Kush, another scummy guy you vote me. Gosh must be a lot of scum in this game. On February 21 2014 09:50 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Pg 34-36 The meta toad brought up for Balla isn't really that great as the most recent towngame Balla has played was that of Shadow Mini Mafia. I feel like Balla can be read a lot on filter length alone. His town filters are miles ahead of his scum filters in terms of length. I doubt he can replicate that. One point in Toad's favour though is how Balla tends to feel slighted as scum. He's not denying that he made a poor post, but rather takes the offensive. He's done a similar thing this game. He didn't do anything of the like in Shadow Mini Mafia. The case Balla made on Suki is mostly sheeping too. Doesn't give me much to work with. Palmar and Marv, you said you don't believe Toad's case. With that, do you mean that you don't believe it's a good case or you don't believe that Toad believes in his case? Point against Kush is fair. Contradictory, and far enough away for Kush to have forgotten about making his initial posts if he were scum. Toad's sheer effort makes me feel townish on him because I'm not used to him being this active in general. Someone tell me if this is dumb. Marvs answer to this is a lie btw. I don't put in effort as mafia. I'm the laziest bum ever, he played with me last game as mafia and he was all like "toad you look good, you have to put some effort tomorrow and push prom. People won't listen to me" and I was all like "yeaaaah.... maybe" and obviously didn't do a thing. Hell I didn't even read the game itself LET ALONE 3 OTHER FRICKING GAMES ABOUT BALLA... I can barely motivate myself to read the game itself as town, I don't ever read other games, that's why I don't usually do Meta cases, actually you won't find me do that ever in the last 12 or so months because I'm just too lazy. Remember that I said I'll play differently this game pregame? That's what I meant, I'm trying to get back into a little less hypno-toad but anything that isn't "Toad is the laziest bum on this planet as mafia" about me is an outright lie from marv. Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right... still catching up | ||
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Toadesstern
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I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today. Also no, I'm not painting myself as a luseless douchebag, if you had actually read what I posted you would have read that I said pregame that I wanted to change my style, I EXACTLY pointed out what I'm talking about in that post you're quoting and if I don't follow up feel free to lynch me based on that. I'm not going to be the usual hypno-Toad this game. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Given you just played with me in Shadow, Toad, you also know that this play is nothing like my mafia play. Given that I found you sprouting bullshit about me on multiple occasions I'm freaked out about what you're trying to do in this game. You're not even adressing it, you're just saying "yeah that might be right and I might have been wrong about toad putting in a lot of effort when playing mafia but he's just saying that to make himself look like a useless moron" What am I supposed to answer to that? Let you lie in the thread and paint me as mafia and ignore it or point it out and I'm mafia for pointing it out according to you. Jeee thanks. Like I said I'm not going to be that guy, I even SPECIFICALLY pointed it out before. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote: If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you. But you're not doing that. Cos you're mafia that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right... How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote: That isn't calling me mafia though. That's dancing around calling me mafia. Pretty massive difference. Btw you said "bottom 5" and now you're trying to argue you're calling me mafia. You suck. read the fucking post I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 20:13 Toadesstern wrote: read the fucking post Like this is the 4th time I mention this but I apparently have to: I specifically mentioned that I will try to not play as hypno-toad and will play more thought through so no I'm not going to call you 100% mafia without a second of a thought or any checking up on it because that's EXACTLY[/b] what I'm trying to get rid off. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 20:18 Palmar wrote: marv isn't wrong though. If you say he knows he's lying, marv is scum. Townies don't lie to get people lynched. Okay, you know I said I want to play more thought-out and I said I'd so pregame, correct? Have you ever tried to get rid of a mistake you're doing repeatedly? Anything. Playing golf and your swing is to much from the outside? Playing trombone and you always get that one note wrong because you think it's an F and not something else? What do you do to get rid of it? You do the opposite and start out with exaggerating it to get a feeling for it. Because if you're trying to get rid of it by playing "normal" chances are you're still WAY wrong and not enough in the right direction, it just feels normal to you because you're so used to your mistake. So no I'm not going to call him mafia without rechecking his filter if my attempt is to get rid of exactly that. | ||
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