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On February 22 2014 05:19 suki wrote:
Balla, rayn is right. Toad's case on you that you were scum was because of your early game. You agreed that your early game looked scummy.
How is Toad scummy for finding you scummy early game?
You guys are both missing the point. I'm FINE with him calling it scummy. What i'm not fine with is making a huge case on my meta based on it that comes to bad conclusions, then misrepresenting what I was saying during the early game to make it fit that case more. IT ALL READS AS FAKE, CONTRIVED, LARGE CONTRIBUTION.
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In NMM:
Case on zarepath -> case on bum -> back to zarepath-> unvote -> case on someone else
Wow, such commitment.
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And you're misrepresenting what happened in between her cases here.... People talked about her case on koshi a lot, suki and I had a huge conversation until she decided i was town, the kush vote is the only thing that stands out to me although let me look at how she went from palmar->toad
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On February 22 2014 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:26 Balla24 wrote:
In NMM:
Case on zarepath -> case on bum -> back to zarepath-> unvote -> case on someone else
Wow, such commitment. Yes and in that game it was easy to see why she changes her mind on those people and she was genuinely confused especially about zarepath and bumatlarge. This game there is no confusion which would read as "i don't know who to vote for". There is a huge difference. Which you obviously don't see because you just look at posts and not the motivation behind them.
No dude, I know exactly the motivation behind those. YOU are the one who is not looking at the motivation behind her switches in this game, because I can see some here as well. I would also advise you to look at the Shadowed Mafia (NON REBOOT).
Suki can you explain why you hopped onto kush/off of kush and why you hopped off of palmar eventually?
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On February 22 2014 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DUDE ZAREPATH FUCKING CLAIMED A ROLE WHEN SUKI STARTED DOUBTING HERSELF AND SWAPPING VOTES?!?!?!
Why are you yelling and why is this even a point? This makes no sense considering i'm not arguing AT ALL that she doesn't have reasoning for her swaps, i'm arguing that she does have reasoning always and she does here too and that's what your missing.
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All you have to do is look at her swaps and the context surrounding them, it takes maybe 10 minutes to understand.
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On February 22 2014 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why don't you explain why suki switches her votes and why does he not talk about her lynch targets at all if you know that so well?
I'm sorry but you could have just look yourself. It's like you're purposefully trying not to see. Look at the koshi case for example... there was plenty of stuff DIRECTLY after her case that could have significantly altered her view.
Things like this:
On February 21 2014 00:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:44 suki wrote:
1) Koshi is misrepresenting me. He says I dropped my scumread. When did I do that? He's criticizing me for not hard pushing an early read and participating in the active discussion.
2) He's blowing off the fact that he asked me twice to look at Balla and then when I asked him if he had reasons he just backed down and that he was making things up.
About this part: 1) I am not saying that you dropped your scumread. I am saying that you were quite positve on a scumread on Balla. But that instead of persuing this scumread you went and talked about rayn his plan being pro-town. On which you were called out on and then you defended yourself. 2) Yes, I did ask you to look at Balla because you were not being serious till then and I wanted to see if you could be serious. You blew me off the first time responding that Balla was only scum if he didn't vote prplhz. Because there still wasn't a serious answer I pressed further and I pretended I had a legit reason to why Balla was scum. After I said this you played serious and you did look into Balla and you found a reason to why he was scum and voted him without stating this reason. Then I said I was bluffing and didn't have a reason to why Balla is scum. To which you replied that I should vote Balla but again you didn't give a reason. Then I asked about this reason and you gave it to me. At this point I was no longer interested in Balla but I was interested in you. However, I didn't vote both because I was sleepy. In conclusion. I don't see why I am scummy for that paragraph in your case btw. It looked quite obvious to what was going on.
Marv, Palmar and you also all commented, then I commented and the consensus between everyone was that this case is no good and it doesn't make koshi scum, in fact some of the stuff makes koshi more townie.
On her case on me:
There was a whole conversation between me and suki that easily can affect what she thinks about me, multiple conversations even. I also justified what her case was about and that could have also had an effect. THERES SO MUCH between there and when she switched to kush.
Things like these exchanges:
On February 21 2014 06:12 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:07 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 05:51 suki wrote:
Since when and why are Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy your scum reads, and why does them not being here mean anything? You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Koshi is leaning more town for me now. I went back and read the thread, particularly the points where rayn and company were talking about him, and decided that he is more likely to be town. Do you agree with what I said about how Koshi is more likely to do a lot of the stuff you said he was doing as town based on our last 2 games? Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:08 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 05:51 suki wrote:
Since when and why are Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy your scum reads, and why does them not being here mean anything? You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Balla let's pretend they are here right now. What are you going to ask Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy when they get in the thread? The good news is, once you've done this, you don't even have to post again when they come back because they'll see your question and respond! Suki I already did this -_- hence why you don't find anything else!!!!!
She recently justified the kush and palmar stuff although I'm not sure how much I buy the kush one. The palmar one I can see from her interactions with him this morning.
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On February 22 2014 05:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 04:32 Balla24 wrote:
@Palmar, how come you switched off kush because "scummy people are voting" for him yet you aren't switching off toad? I'm not falling for your tricks trickster
Well, do you still think suki and I are scum? What about prplhz? The people who were voting kush.
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was he town or mafia marv?
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Just skimmed, but the major difference I see is that he's not martyring. Hard to follow though.
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All he's doing is chainsaw defending by attacking my arguments.
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Palmar why do you keep not answering my questions?
On February 22 2014 05:43 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:39 Palmar wrote:On February 22 2014 04:32 Balla24 wrote:
@Palmar, how come you switched off kush because "scummy people are voting" for him yet you aren't switching off toad? I'm not falling for your tricks trickster Well, do you still think suki and I are scum? What about prplhz? The people who were voting kush.
First question was a bit loaded, but this second question is not loaded at all. I have no idea who you are pushing in these past 12 hours..
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##vote toadestern
For the record, i'm fine with a swap to rayn or kush.
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Rayn why do you have your vote on suki when you think i'm scum and I have a much higher chance of getting lynched than suki based on the votes right now?
Kush why is your vote completely useless and baseless? Just cause Oats mistakenly used the term OMGUS?
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Uhh... timezone difference is huge for aqua
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the godfather too... wp wpwp
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On February 22 2014 07:21 LoneMeow wrote:
Current suspicions:
Oatsmaster (1): Koshi, prplhz, VIVAX420
Toadesstern (7): Palmar, VIVAX420, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Koshi, prplhz, suki, CuteFluffyPuppy, Balla24, Balla24
Balla24 (3): suki, sidesprang, Toadesstern, suki, Oatsmaster
suki (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet
3 real people off the vote: rayn, kush and oats,
Kush has literally no reasoning for being off the vote besides a chainsaw defense of toad by attacking oats, then he 180s and says he will quit mafia if toad is town without voting...
Rayn has a little more reasoning, but our conversation will lead you to what conclusion I have about it. Mostly a chainsaw defense attacking me and also thinking suki and I were both mafia so toad can't be mafia. Originally marv was in there too but he seems to have dropped that.
I find it surprising that oats was on me tbh, but its somewhat ok paranoia i guess? The fact that i'm copying my posting style from my two recent town games. Meh.
Of the people on the vote:
Koshi and Palmar just sheepd marv IIRC and palmar was trying to avoid what he deemed scummy people until the scummy people landed on toad. But palmar was pushing people actively to get onto toad.
Suki hopped on toad with no reasoning whilst toad was not defending himself and then elaborated later...
Prplhz's reasoning was actually really bad...
On February 21 2014 23:03 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Toadesstern
pretty sure we're not having it any other way today so lets just see a flip
This was also once toad started dissapearing.
CFP's reasoning was weak too:
On February 21 2014 23:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
ok, just carrying on looking through Smurf's filter. The biggest problem I have at the end of it is that after all his catchup posts he actually has no conclusions about anything, at all.
I have no real idea what Smurf thinks about anything. That's because I didn't really have any scumreads at the end. Strongest suspicion was on Suki. Currently it's on Toad. Too many scummy things, something that happened in Shadow as well yet everyone decided to not lynch him for it. The contradiction and his focus on defending himself, calling you a liar but not scum, all counts in for it. ##Unvote
##Vote Toadesstern
There's so many people with weak/non-existent reasoning for being on toad -_-. Leads me to believe both scum are in that pool. But a 1/1 split is also possible. Marv is obv obv town obvs... I want to doubt that there are 2 mafia off the vote, but it's possible, especially with the way rayn was acting, WIFOM though. One thing that I think is unlikely is that kush/oats are probably not scum together.
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EPT
