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On February 21 2014 06:41 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:36 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 06:25 Balla24 wrote:
What suki? Isn't what marv said basically the same thing as I said, I gave specifics of what I was referring to but it's essentially the same point. Can you spell it out for me cuz I don't know what you're talking about here. -_-; Basically my whole point with that post was that Koshi would most likely do all that stuff YOU were pointing that you thought was scummy out as town rather than as scum. Marv is saying the same thing. Yet you're trying to say you disagree with me but you agree with marv.
Here's what I said
I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping.
The fact that he's not analyzing and not pressuring people I still think is true.
Calling people scum or town randomly and saying he's going to sheep, I now think is more townie on koshi, so my read here changed. I see now that you were saying the same thing where I said 'I disagree', but I don't think this game resembles last game the way you're making it out to be.
But my case was shit so the end result is I agree with you and marv that Koshi looks townie for his play thus far.
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On February 21 2014 06:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Previous postPg 16-18: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote:I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it. I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. I don't like that suki says in this post: On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote:
I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way. that the plan is stupid but neither scummy nor townie and then she says in this post On February 20 2014 11:00 suki wrote:rayn said:
We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. Here's how I see it. Because you're forced to vote someone, you can't unvote and remain without an opinion (well, except with this stupid plan). This is pro-town. If someone voted Koshi and said, 'I don't think Koshi is scum anymore' but kept his vote on Koshi, then pressuring that person to take a stance on someone else IS pro-town because they can't just unvote and say 'I dont know I'm thinking'. It forces accountability, and mafia hate being accountable for their actions. This outweighs scum possibly misrepresenting someone because they didn't take off their vote. that the plan is anti-town, or something like that, she uses pro-town to describe a situation where the plan is not implemented. I don't understand the first part of this post. There's two observations that are contradictory. On one hand it's completely useless and town would never do it, on the other hand scum would never hard push it. What's also strange is that he accuses suki of a similar thing in the very same post. It's actually so blatantly contradictory that I think he's town for it. I think scum would be more likely to construct themselves properly in this scenario. Rayn pointed out the same thing, but has a different conclusion from it. I actually think it's more likely to come from town. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:42 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 20 2014 08:40 prplhz wrote:On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:33 prplhz wrote:
claiming Vanilli Townie What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening. Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things. Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum? Because scum wants to call people that aren't scum scum. I've used the same method myself. Making something out of nothing is what scum have to do, whereas town has little motivation for it. As for why he got no pressure; it's because I found Palmar more interesting by the time I got back, so I pursued that instead. I also came around on Prplhz simply for the amount of attention he was drawing to himself, which I find atypical of his scum game, though that's based on a small sample.
Who do you find scummy right now?
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On February 21 2014 06:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
balla the only thing ive seen from you in scum games is inactivity. from your activity aloneyou are a pretty easy townread imo.
Are you serious kush. Balla's presence was abysmal in the first 18 hours of the thread. Usually he's all pumped up ready to go.
Is that the only reason you're townreading him?
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kush scum read please
I know everyone is asking you but I really wanna know
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rayn's arguments always look fake. How is this game any different
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On February 21 2014 07:01 Balla24 wrote:
##vote Vivax420
So are you saying kush is scum because he doesn't agree that your early game looks scummy?
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On February 21 2014 06:59 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:57 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 21 2014 06:56 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 06:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
balla the only thing ive seen from you in scum games is inactivity. from your activity aloneyou are a pretty easy townread imo. Hmm. That's not what I remember. You used to scumread me early for "not doing shit" and being a "scumhunter extraordinaire yet not doing anything", I feel like I didn't do MUCH in the early game and other people agree yet this game you are not saying the same thing. Sure activity ended up being a major factor but still, the early read from you is missing. yeah but i thought you were better than i now realize you are. suck on that. Rofl ok~ you're probably scum, cause that's a terrible reason and seems made up on the fly.
Or I guess it's this - so kush's reason for townreading you is so terrible he must be scum.
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kush is generally pretty ... random.. and I usually like him.
I'll take a look at his previous games based on your read here and see how I feel about him after.
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This will have to wait tho cuz I just realized I sat here for like 3 hours and haven't got anything done today.
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##unvote
##vote VIVAX420
In general I like what I'm seeing from Balla right now so I'm just gonna go along.
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CuteFluffyPuppy, why do you think this 'bravado' line of action is more likely to come from scum Koshi than town Koshi?
What scum objectives do you perceive Koshi having in his posts?
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On February 21 2014 08:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 08:14 suki wrote:
CuteFluffyPuppy, why do you think this 'bravado' line of action is more likely to come from scum Koshi than town Koshi?
What scum objectives do you perceive Koshi having in his posts? I'm curious what your answer to the 2nd question would have been when you made your case on him.
My case, which is to say he wasn't pressuring people, wasn't giving reads, and was just throwing around reads and sheeping.
All of these are things that scum do, to avoid contributing to town. It makes it easier as well if they don't have any hard reads that they will get called out on. Town on the other hand want to pressure, want to make reads, to figure out the game.
Who do you find scummy marv? Just toad?
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On February 21 2014 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
I dunno, I gotta re-read everything you and balla said to each other. Didn't parse it very well the first time and it seems like it should be important.
My point with the Koshi thing is you're effectively calling him out for the same thing you did in the first place.
If you're saying I'm not giving reads and not analyzing . . . Well I am trying.
I want to hear your opinion on me because it seems you've been picking at my words for a while but not actually coming out and saying whether you think that makes me town or scum.
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On February 21 2014 08:32 marvellosity wrote:
also lol: "wasn't giving reads" -> "was just throwing around reads"
he was eating cake but also not eating cake. Curses!
Wasn't giving meaningful reads. Throwing around useless junk that doesn't serve to move discussion in any direction.
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On February 21 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 08:37 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
I dunno, I gotta re-read everything you and balla said to each other. Didn't parse it very well the first time and it seems like it should be important.
My point with the Koshi thing is you're effectively calling him out for the same thing you did in the first place. If you're saying I'm not giving reads and not analyzing . . . Well I am trying. I want to hear your opinion on me because it seems you've been picking at my words for a while but not actually coming out and saying whether you think that makes me town or scum. That's not what I'm saying. I picked holes in your Koshi case and now you're picking effectively the same holes in what Mr Smurf said. Not that you're not giving reads or analysing or something, dunno how you even thought that? I thought your case made you quite suspicious but I don't have a firm opinion on you until I read your exchange with Balla again.
I think you're town and I like your line of thinking marv. Yes, I am picking the same holes that you picked in mine. I think it's a valuable line of questioning.
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Why would his vote on marv specifically have to do with me Balla and not anyone else?
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On February 21 2014 10:07 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 10:05 suki wrote:
Why would his vote on marv specifically have to do with me Balla and not anyone else? He's specifically pinging both you and marv as scum together. What set him off was you and marv's interaction about koshi/fluffypuppy, which means there is probably some associative reasoning within there as well.
I see... Why should I care that rayn is calling me and marv out as scum when he doesn't provide any reasons at all? It's just noise.
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On February 21 2014 10:07 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Pg 37-39 Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:22 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 02:37 Balla24 wrote:This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that. It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game. For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:
I agree tbh. It felt awkward
##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec.
What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm. I disagree. I think Koshi's townreads were a lot less random last game. I don't see him randomly calling people bad this game. And he lead the lynch on Jonny so I don't know what you're talking about sheeping. The reason I'm leaning town on Koshi right now is because of this: On February 20 2014 23:09 marvellosity wrote:On February 20 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
I really like prplhz's point about koshi, don't you marv? doesn't it make you all warm inside? no, it's exactly the kind of thing Koshi would do as town more than mafia, he'd be more careful as mafia. When I read this I thought, Koshi is playing quite freely right now. It makes sense to view his careless townreads and active sheeping as a free townie than a scum trying to appear free. I'm curious why you thought Koshi looked scummy for it the first time. I know my own reason and I'm curious if they coincide. Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:39 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 06:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:42 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 20 2014 08:40 prplhz wrote:On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:33 prplhz wrote:
claiming Vanilli Townie What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening. Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things. Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum? Because scum wants to call people that aren't scum scum. I've used the same method myself. Making something out of nothing is what scum have to do, whereas town has little motivation for it. As for why he got no pressure; it's because I found Palmar more interesting by the time I got back, so I pursued that instead. I also came around on Prplhz simply for the amount of attention he was drawing to himself, which I find atypical of his scum game, though that's based on a small sample. What about me being curious -> townie? You gave an easy townread for me just asking a simple question. Town wants to know why someone does something. Scum wants to call someone scum. You went for the former approach rather than seize an easy opportunity to call someone scum over it. Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:48 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 06:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 06:36 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 06:25 Balla24 wrote:
What suki? Isn't what marv said basically the same thing as I said, I gave specifics of what I was referring to but it's essentially the same point. Can you spell it out for me cuz I don't know what you're talking about here. -_-; Basically my whole point with that post was that Koshi would most likely do all that stuff YOU were pointing that you thought was scummy out as town rather than as scum. Marv is saying the same thing. Yet you're trying to say you disagree with me but you agree with marv. Here's what I said
I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping.
The fact that he's not analyzing and not pressuring people I still think is true. Calling people scum or town randomly and saying he's going to sheep, I now think is more townie on koshi, so my read here changed. I see now that you were saying the same thing where I said 'I disagree', but I don't think this game resembles last game the way you're making it out to be. But my case was shit so the end result is I agree with you and marv that Koshi looks townie for his play thus far. You still think he's not analyzing and pressuring people, but you think he looks townie for his play? Can you explain this to me?
My first case on Koshi which everyone thought was bad is pretty much the reason why I got scum vibes on Koshi. I'm used to Koshi pressuring people and hunting scum and this game he's just flopping around sheeping the strong players.
And yes, Koshi is not analyzing or pressuring people. However, I also think there's some truth to the idea that his playstyle is very free this game and that that freeness is townie. I am in no rush to lynch Koshi and am currently just observing how he continues the game.
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On February 21 2014 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
Usually when rayn calls me mafia he is mafia (say ##, Vengeful). Not sure that's the case here though, he might just be deranged.
At the very least it's interesting or I care about it, dunno why you wouldn't suki. Unless you're that sure he's town that you don't have to care about it...
Rayn is a tough one for me. I don't know why he does half the things he does. I think his haphazard style of play feels like the town game I played with him so I do think he is town.
People have already asked him what his vote on you is for so I don't see the need to ask it myself, and really that's the only question I would ask regarding that vote.
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