EPTI wrote up an answer but I don't see how this in any way explains why you think I'm scum.
How about you answer my question.
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I wrote up an answer but I don't see how this in any way explains why you think I'm scum. How about you answer my question. | ||
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Answer to rayn's question: + Show Spoiler + I suppose most of the time when I unvote its when one of my cases falls flat and I don't have a basis to suspect that person anymore. So then, you're arguing here that being able to unvote aids in transparency and shows exactly where I stand, which includes being neutral. Which, I get. But put in a situation where a town person can't unvote but they don't find X person suspicious anymore, the obvious move is to find their next target and then move their vote there. If they don't, people can pressure them to do so. It is to town's benefit that everybody be forced to be accountable for their reads. If neutral is no longer an option, then everybody must take a stance on someone, which is where their vote is. People being forced to take a stance is pro-town. | ||
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I do force people to take stances, it's how I play. And guess what, that's what I'm doing right now. Also wow so the reason you think I'm scummy is because if I were town I wouldn't think your plan was stupid. And you're totes serious on this. Really. | ||
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On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote: Where did I even react to rayn's entry and why is it bad? I find half of your initial reasoning for pressuring me somewhat silly (i'm not being playful) and the other half somewhat deserved, but I don't think you're being consistent here: At first you were saying i'm scummy for being in "policy talk mode" and i was actively lurking and not pressuring people. But here you're saying it's because of my reaction which you didn't even reference or comment on before. Your reaction: On February 20 2014 09:17 Balla24 wrote: I see what rayn was thinking though. He thought the votes were permanent thus the people with 3 votes would be easier to lynch whereas the people with no votes would be much harder to lynch. That would actually be a cool mechanic. Once it was cleared up though it basically means nothing so the "plan" doesn't do anything. So yeah. Policy talk mode. Not pressuring. Your 'reaction' to rayn's case was just a sort of backing-up rayn by explaining his point of view from your point of view. Let's get those gears moving Balla! What do you think of prplhz's pressure on rayn? Who do you find scummy right now? | ||
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On February 20 2014 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: suki keeps talking about this and he doesn't even think it's scummy. Why? Why keep talking about something that's not helping? Not only that, she keeps attacking the ONLY person who actually agrees with him on this (Balla). Why? She is also not looking about "why" instead of "what". Balla made it very clear why he said what he did and i totally get that. It's not really hard to see why if you read Balla's posts. Okay, I kept talking about your policy because you kept bringing it up Rayn. You can't seriously be putting me as scum for that. And I attacked Balla because of the WHY. Why is Balla not pressuring people, and instead spending the entire early game making statements about policy and agreeing with people? His return into the thread felt more like town Balla and I hope he comes back today and starts beating faces because if he doesn't then he is obviously playing his scum game. Now, on to Koshi. Koshi has been playing a really low key game. He's sheeping everywhere and not analyzing, not pressuring. Just because he says he's sheeping doesn't make it better. On February 20 2014 20:09 Koshi wrote: Paraphrased what happened: 1) suki trolling a shitton (no quotes) 2) Koshi asking suki if Balla is scum. 3) suki trolling 4) Koshi claiming to have reasons to why Balla is scum 5) suki also sees reasons to why Balla is scum. Votes Balla 6) Koshi claims he did not have any reasons to why Balla is scum. 7) suki bringing Balla up again, holding back the reasons to why. 8) Koshi + Balla ask why Balla is scum. 9) suki gives reasoning. The Quotes↓ + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 08:57 Koshi wrote: suki, I think balla is scum. Agree? On February 20 2014 08:59 Koshi wrote: Why are you not interested in seeing what I am seeing? On February 20 2014 09:09 suki wrote: ##unvote ##vote Balla24 Can we be best buddies On February 20 2014 09:12 suki wrote: I thought you were seeing something so I looked and I thought I saw what you saw, but now you unvoted yourself. Did you really see something or were you just making something up? On February 20 2014 09:14 Koshi wrote: Making stuff up. I am serious because I can be. On February 20 2014 09:17 suki wrote: Koshi you should put your vote back on Balla. On February 20 2014 09:19 Koshi wrote: I really shouldn't. I know we catch Balla ezpz if he is scum anyway. No need to pressure for no reason. Unless you want to share a reason. I think you should. On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote: Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. On February 20 2014 09:52 suki wrote: I think the reactions that are garnered from your stupid entry is a positive direction for town and that Balla's reaction to it specifically makes me think he is scum. As for you specifically, I think you can open this way as scum or town. What do you think of this? This is the entire conversation between suki and me. First sight I don't really have a problem with it but now that I reread it it feels like suki is holding information back from the thread. I don't see why she would do that and I do not remember her doing that at all in previous games. Is it scum trying to milk a topic as long as possible to stay active? Because quite quickly after the reasoning she gave that Balla is scum and said she was quite serious about the accusations she went talking about rayn and his pro-town voting stuff and started defending herself against rayn his accusations. I don't know that town that actually found scum would drop the scumread and would start talking policy stuff and would defend herself over pushing the scumread. It feels off. Koshi is misrepresenting me. He says I dropped my scumread. When did I do that? He's criticizing me for not hard pushing an early read and participating in the active discussion. He's blowing off the fact that he asked me twice to look at Balla and then when I asked him if he had reasons he just backed down and that he was making things up. On February 20 2014 20:33 Koshi wrote: Not lynchable. I'll say Kush not a lynch target atm because pretty smart play, like instantly going against rayn on prplhz and other people actually saw same things. Also rayn cuz we are buds. marv cuz marv. Palmar I guess. lynchable People marv feels strongly about being scum. People rayn feels strongly about being scum & he made a case with multiple points on. Those are mostly actually scum. sidesprang if he doesn't play. suki and Balla if they plan on playing "the I am so impressed by this playerpool and I won't post my own thoughts" game. As I feel that might be happening. Oats because jayB replaced out cuz he rolled scum. The other people I didn't pay too much attention to. His reads on people have no effort put into them. He's calling random people town for no reason and people scum for no reason. He's saying Balla and I might be intimidated by the player pool as if it's scummy and yet he's not only not posting his thoughts he's just sheeping the strong players in the thread. I know Koshi hates rolling scum and doesn't feel like playing when he's scum. I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping. ##unvote ##vote Koshi Regarding toad, I agree that he was back tracking, and I think he's being way too defensive about what he said. His contributions have been nil to this game. All he's done is defend himself against rayn. Who are his scum reads? Why isn't he pressuring anyone? I support the lynch on him and will switch my vote to make it happen at the end of the day. | ||
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This is just off the top of my head because I've gotta go in 10 mins. In Shadowed: The Reboot, Koshi was town and he was active from the start, putting down votes, pressuring, calling out contraditions. In the original Shadowed game, he just talked random shit and wasn't interested in making reads for at least the first part of Day 1. Koshi's behaviour makes me feel like he's not interested in finding who is scum but is just happy to sheep. Regardless of my meta read on him, his contributions to this thread haven't been more than sheeping and weak accusations. Also Koshi I have definitely done more than you this game. At the very least my reads have reasons. I'll be back later. | ||
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[B]On February 20 2014 23:57 marvellosity Since when do mafia openly state they will sheep? Have you ever come across that? Can you provide evidence of mafia-Koshi doing that like he has in this game? Posting from my phone So if someone open about sheeping that somehow makes it better? What are your reads on koshi marv? Do you dispute my claim that his contributions have been shitty this game? | ||
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Balla is most definitely scum. On February 21 2014 02:22 Balla24 wrote: The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that... Balla's words and his actions do not coincide. He starts the game saying hey Koshi lets start something, but Koshi has already voted him and is telling me to vote Balla. Yet Balla doesn't jump on Koshi because Balla 'wanted him to post his reasoning'. Since when does Balla wait for someone to post? Balla's town play is balls to the wall in your face aggressive. Do you know what Balla does when he's town? He questions people. He pressures them. If he thinks someone is scummy he takes what they said and he questions what they meant. He asks them for reads. If he's on you he's so damn annoying you just want him to shut up, whether you're town or scum at the time. This game, he looks like he's trying to explain scum reads, rather than find scum. He's saying this person is scummy because so and so. His vote on sidesprang was weak as shit, not only because it's on a lurker, but because he just said 'Hey dude post more'. There's no questioning to try to get sidesprang out into the open despite his claims that his vote is pressure. He didn't start shit with Koshi when Koshi voted him, and when I voted him and provided reasoning he didn't fight back he just said 'hey that makes sense but don't worry I'll pressure'. He thinks me, sidesprang and kush are scum but isn't doing anything about it. Like, Balla, why are you making a case against me being scum instead of lunging at my neck like a starved rottweiler? You said my opening was non-alignment indicative and you said my case on Koshi was bad and that somehow the case being bad makes me scummy because I would town-read Koshi better the way you are town-reading him. ##unvote ##vote Balla | ||
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Who are your top scum reads right now? I liked your pressure on rayn early game but right now I don't know who you want to lynch. You said Koshi looks bad to you and you don't like railroading Toad. Other than that I don't see any scum reads. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:04 marvellosity wrote: The last quote does not go with his previous attitude at all. Especially with the "I don't get the case". kush can change his mind on how good the case is all he likes, but it's quite evident that he "gets" the case. I don't buy this marv. Between the second and the third post kush has more posts where he talks about toad and I think his read evolved pretty naturally. On February 21 2014 03:15 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax420 @Palmar why did you vote kush right after marv said kush looks scummy? Earlier in the game you thought kush looked town and provided a lot of quotes: On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote: I like some points he's made. What changed? | ||
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On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote: You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Koshi is leaning more town for me now. I went back and read the thread, particularly the points where rayn and company were talking about him, and decided that he is more likely to be town. | ||
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On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote: You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Balla let's pretend they are here right now. What are you going to ask Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy when they get in the thread? The good news is, once you've done this, you don't even have to post again when they come back because they'll see your question and respond! | ||
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Are those questions still the ones you want answered or do you have others? The questions to CuteFluffyPuppy in particular are from much earlier in the game. | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:37 Balla24 wrote: This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that. It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game. For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote: Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory. Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote: I agree tbh. It felt awkward ##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote: Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec. What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm. I disagree. I think Koshi's townreads were a lot less random last game. I don't see him randomly calling people bad this game. And he lead the lynch on Jonny so I don't know what you're talking about sheeping. The reason I'm leaning town on Koshi right now is because of this: On February 20 2014 23:09 marvellosity wrote: no, it's exactly the kind of thing Koshi would do as town more than mafia, he'd be more careful as mafia. When I read this I thought, Koshi is playing quite freely right now. It makes sense to view his careless townreads and active sheeping as a free townie than a scum trying to appear free. | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:16 marvellosity wrote: What's not to buy? Why aren't you reading? I *specifically* said it wasn't about the evolution of his read, it was about the fact he said he didn't "get" my case despite the fact he clearly gets it as demonstrated by the quotes, because he's essentially using the same points I brought up. Give me a sec to mull this over. | ||
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Ok, you're saying that kush was saying he didn't understand your case, but his case is exactly the same which is toad was back tracking hard. I'm hesitant to say this is a slam dunk contradiction because there are other parts that you add to your case later, the backtracking was only the first part. It seems really stupid for kush to have said he doesnt get your case, specifically referring to the backtracking. I find it hard to believe anyone could slip like that. | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:25 Balla24 wrote: What suki? Isn't what marv said basically the same thing as I said, I gave specifics of what I was referring to but it's essentially the same point. Can you spell it out for me cuz I don't know what you're talking about here. -_-; | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:36 marvellosity wrote: What did I add later? The case was always the same. The whole exchange about toad and rayn: On February 20 2014 23:06 marvellosity wrote: "I don't consider that I've been in multiple games with rayn recently even though I have" it's brilliant really. Anyways that's what I was seeing that could have been what kush was referring to. Kush is back now so we can get the answer from him. | ||
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