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On February 20 2014 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toadesstern do you think being able to unvote in general is pro-town or pro-mafia?
On February 20 2014 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case? there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else. So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy? Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game? That's not what i am saying. Stop fucking twisting my words or l2read. I am already getting mad at you and that's not what i want.
neither really as long as people are aware of it. There's very minor upsides to it for both sides and I'd say they counter each other out to a point that it's completly irrelevant.
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I wasn't able to come up with a reason for you to propose what you did as town while being able come up with a reasoning for it as mafia despite it being a sketchy reasoning. So I wanted you to explain yourself.
It's basicly the same way I caught mafia the last game were you got me lynched. Remember the miller thing that I pointed out 3 hours into the game and I wasn't sure what to make of it early on? It's literally the same thing and I'm not liking it one bit.
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Foolishness told me in pm's to wait a little longer and not just claim d1 to get him lynched 
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here.
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As I'm going through:
On February 20 2014 11:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Simple question Toad. At this moment do you think i am mafia or not?
suki i am always serious.
no idea. Despite wanting to lynch you I obviously think foolishness' advice to not just yolo d1 was sound (if I just hadn't selfkilled later on) and that's what I'm going to do with you as well, just without the selfkill thing involved.
On February 20 2014 11:36 suki wrote:
Also Toad so your vote on rayn wasn't serious right?
Who is the most scummy to you at the moment and why?
noone else that really made me go "woah this guy be mafia 4 sure!!" so far
On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together?
They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible"
On February 20 2014 21:38 marvellosity wrote:
So you've been in two games with Toad then?
"passingly familiar" hardly is false then is it? :>
I've played "3" games with rayn I think.
#1 A game that had both rayn and vayn, was my first game with both, I never read their filter because it was confusing the crap out of me and I ended up thinking they're both the same because the name's are so alike
#2 The game I replaced in n1 that ended on n1.
#3 The drama-queen one where I got pissed at him and basicly died n1 because I didn't post d2 anymore.
So I'd say I played about 0.75 games with him tops...
You also know that I'm not the kind of guy who goes back to read old games. You also know that I'm the kind of guy who confuses people with each other a lot and that a lot of stuff that happened in past games mixes in my mind, hell I can't even remember a single game name once it's over. We've been in skype and you do know that. So why did you think I'm particular familiar with rayn's play, probably to the point that I could pinpoint something about it? You usually don't consider me that skilled of a player.
Also what's the point about how I made no sense with the vote because to me it still makes sense, apparently also to Rayn... it's just what happened if you look at the timestamps.
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On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Toad who is scum and why is it you?
I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little
On February 20 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what?
"why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue"
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On February 20 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Toad who is scum and why is it you? I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little On February 20 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted?
no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding.
I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it.
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On February 20 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:
You also know that I'm not the kind of guy who goes back to read old games. You also know that I'm the kind of guy who confuses people with each other a lot and that a lot of stuff that happened in past games mixes in my mind, hell I can't even remember a single game name once it's over. We've been in skype and you do know that. So why did you think I'm particular familiar with rayn's play, probably to the point that I could pinpoint something about it? You usually don't consider me that skilled of a player.
I never said you pinpointed rayn's play or anything, that's not what I said. I was actually quite vague.
you used it to paint me as scum basicly saying I should know better. I don't care how vague you are about that to be honest if you're doing it. You're usually not someone who likes to be vague when talking about meta or someone's reasoning for being town/mafia.
How come you just blurted that out without looking it up or taking into consideration that the 2 games I had with him recently both ended on d1 on for me, one being a PM game, one being a ragequit on d1 from me where I certainly didn't go "woahwoahwoah, let's coold down a little and read his filter nice and slowly"
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On February 20 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Toad who is scum and why is it you? I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little On February 20 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind?
You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad):
There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are:
1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.
However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.
2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia.
3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game.
Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki;
Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why.
If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.
So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad?
The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding.
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On February 20 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:
You also know that I'm not the kind of guy who goes back to read old games. You also know that I'm the kind of guy who confuses people with each other a lot and that a lot of stuff that happened in past games mixes in my mind, hell I can't even remember a single game name once it's over. We've been in skype and you do know that. So why did you think I'm particular familiar with rayn's play, probably to the point that I could pinpoint something about it? You usually don't consider me that skilled of a player.
I never said you pinpointed rayn's play or anything, that's not what I said. I was actually quite vague. you used it to paint me as scum basicly saying I should know better. I don't care how vague you are about that to be honest if you're doing it. You're usually not someone who likes to be vague when talking about meta or someone's reasoning for being town/mafia. How come you just blurted that out without looking it up or taking into consideration that the 2 games I had with him recently both ended on d1 on for me, one being a PM game, one being a ragequit on d1 from me where I certainly didn't go "woahwoahwoah, let's coold down a little and read his filter nice and slowly" I said you should know better than to think rayn would want to get out of taking a stand. Which you should. That's simply true. If there's anything that's immediately obvious about rayn's play is that he is never afraid to take stands, and you don't need an amazing memory to think about that, especially if you've been in a couple of games quite recently with him.Jog on, Toad.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE THING. I don't consider it that way and neither should you.
I don't consider a game I joined on n1, that was aborted on n1, that I spend the entirty of n1 to read while you both ignored me until I finished reading, which happened about 30 minutes before the game was canceled a game I "played" with him...
On February 20 2014 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:51 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Toad who is scum and why is it you? I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little On February 20 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind? You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad):
There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are:
1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.
However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.
2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia.
3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game.
Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki;
Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why.
If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.
So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad?The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding. Now this can't possibly be true because your response to me is a response to the post where i explain myself. I never asked you why you DID think i am mafia, i asked you why you DO think i am mafia given my explanation. Like you really didn't understand that?
I like to explain my reasoning when talking about things. I said that your explanation makes sense. That's the part where I explain what I thought about you at that moment. I didn't want to leave it just like that so I added the explanation about how the change of mind occured though the explanation apparently should have been more in detail because it seems to creep people out.
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On February 20 2014 23:06 marvellosity wrote:
"I don't consider that I've been in multiple games with rayn recently even though I have"
it's brilliant really.
how you consider a game that I replaced into, that ended up being canceled 30 minutes after I posted a game I played with him and therefore I should know better because I played a bunch with him is just beyond me.
Even rayn said you're pulling shit out of your ass right here and that's quite something comming from you considering we're talking about me here.
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On February 20 2014 23:10 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:06 marvellosity wrote:
"I don't consider that I've been in multiple games with rayn recently even though I have"
it's brilliant really. how you consider a game that I replaced into, that ended up being canceled 30 minutes after I posted a game I played with him and therefore I should know better because I played a bunch with him is just beyond me. Even rayn said you're pulling shit out of your ass right here and that's quite something comming from him considering we're talking about me here.
EBWOP
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On February 20 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:So here is what happened: Toad: "you are mafia because of X" Me: "This is why i said X from every perspective. #1 i am town and this is why i said it..." Toad: " Well #1 can't be true" Some random shit happens here.Me: So do you think i am mafia or not? Toad: Not necessarily because #1 can be true. So this fucking shit does not make any sense to me because Toad is changing his mind based on nothing relevant to the discussion. I especially asked, based on my reasoning "which is it". Here, is this question so unclear Toad can possibly twist it into something stupid: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.
However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.
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If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.
So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Can't be #2 either for same reason. Therefore I was asking myself if it's #3, #4 the "I'm paranoid" or #5 the "I'm missing something"
[.... here is where some random shit happens.....] Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why do you think i am mafia Toad? Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't dance around the issue and make a clear case. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:Foolishness told me in pm's to wait a little longer and not just claim d1 to get him lynched Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now, there MUST BE SOMETHING BETWEEN THE RED PARTS that makes Toad change his mind. What is it?
Dude I just told you that the first red part you quoted is talking about my stance on you BEFORE you did that giant post explaining it and that the giant post you did is the thing that changed my mind. Do you just not believe it or do you ignore that? Because if you put it in that order it makes an awful lot of sense.
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how about marv explains the things that freak out rayn about me and rayn explains the things freak out marv about me and we're all happy?
Because I have still no idea what's the issue with anything here and it's getting quite frustrating to state it over again even if someone else already pointed the exact same thing out before I got in here again and explains how it's just pisspoor wording?
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On February 20 2014 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So in the first red part Toad answers to half of my post and reaches into conclusion "this is really scummy".
When i press it further he answers the rest of the post and reaches into conclusion "not so scummy any more".
Now, who the fuck answers only the parts of a post that suit his agenda? mafia.
no... the first part isn't answering anything. It's explaining my thoughts while going through it, making sure people understand me which is apparently failing horribly.
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On February 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:24 Toadesstern wrote:
how about marv explains the things that freak out rayn about me and rayn explains the things freak out marv about me and we're all happy?
Because I have still no idea what's the issue with anything here and it's getting quite frustrating to state it over again even if someone else already pointed the exact same thing out before I got in here again and explains how it's just pisspoor wording? You are asked a very clear question and you answer it by only referencing a small portion of the explanation. You didn't even read the whole post of mine or you are intentionally leaving out the portion that does not suit your "rayn is scum" agenda. Both of the explanations are extremely scummy.
The entire post of yours works under the assumption "these are the only 3 options available", I clearly stated that's not how I saw it as there's more options and Palmar did so as well. Therefore I left out the useless part that didn't apply because the innitial assumption was flawed.
But fine, I'll guess this thing has to be mutual so I'll stop answering these things, do my thing and give you something later tonight... I'm off picking up my sis so afk for a while, that should cool me off a little
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Balla24
needs some lynching:
Quick summary: I checked out Newbie Mini Mafia LI, Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1 and TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart:. If there's some more recent town game I'd be happy to take a look at that but couldn't find him in the Database at all (?!?) and looked at the games linked in his profile. That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it but ballsy might fit as well. Usually it's the other way around as people, especially new guys, are scared to post when rolling mafia but that does not seem to be the case for Balla24.
Explaining his town-behavior is with a limited amount of posts could be possible but I think it's much better if you look through this yourself: Newbie Mini Mafia LI and see for yourself how reserved and understand he's posting when rolling town. I could give you a couple of posts but it's all over the place.
This doesn't look like what he's done in Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1, TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart: or in this game so far at all.
Take a look at Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1:
+ Show Spoiler [open me up!] +On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote:
Nice flower. It's very beautiful.
##vote Balla24
[note from me: election vote for mayor, he's not actually voting himself for lynch]
My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you.
P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote:
P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately. On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote:
hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor? On January 26 2014 08:43 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:41 Tehpoofter wrote:On January 26 2014 08:26 Balla24 wrote:
You got me! Balla posted something that was less than a paragraph from my experience playing with her she almost always has longer posts as town. Have to throw that in the scummy category. not this again -_- On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 10:44 kushm4sta wrote:
balla the only thing worse than bum's retarded plan is how you keep discussing it better than you generically calling people out every couple posts.... On January 26 2014 14:19 Balla24 wrote:
^_^
So seriously though, your explanation to me wasn't really that solid... "worth a try", why do you care? I expect you to know better.
He does not give a crap about what people think about him, or wants to make it look that way. He's playing a lot more ballsy than when he rolled town. This looks nothing like his town game above.
The second game I looked into is a bit harder to pinpoint the same things in single point but it still looks nothing like he town game, just not that extreme as he's no, if I had to it's be something like On January 20 2014 09:27 Balla24 wrote:
It's not dumb, but it also just seems like standard stuff. If you are PR obviously you claim if you are going to get lynched, unless i'm missing something.
but that's a cherrypick. But same as the towngame, go through the filter yourself click me! and you'll see it looks nothing like his calm, understanding, good-cop approach he's taking when he's town
Just compare his mafia posts with stuff like this from his town-game and like I said, this may be cherrypicked but that kind of stuff it ALL OVER his filter:
On January 06 2014 11:22 Balla24 wrote:
Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far.
Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him.
Now that that's out here's what I'm seeing him do this game:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 20 2014 08:42 Balla24 wrote:
haha thats retarded... i thought it had something to do with millers and forcing yourself to a claim
On February 20 2014 08:47 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 08:46 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody make a case on me so I know who to vote for. well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy On February 20 2014 08:53 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:On February 20 2014 08:47 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:46 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody make a case on me so I know who to vote for. well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy Why are you not voting for me then? i'm not on jayb's level of making cases based on starting emotion~ On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:20 Balla24 wrote:
Moi aussi gogo
Add to that that he has questional posts just by himself like:
On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games.
That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?"
Balla24 needs lynching
##vote Balla24
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tl;dr my food is now cold, I still haven't walked my dog and I'm going to eat, walk my dog and be back in about 2 hours. In that order...
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On February 21 2014 02:22 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games. That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?"Balla24 needs lynching ##vote Balla24 The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that...
Well about the meta, yeah I only picked early posts because it's d1 and I compared your early posts to your early posts this game.
I'll relook into what you said about the bottom part. Honestly the post was supposed to be only meta and I wanted to make a 2nd post about that part but thought fuck it and just included it before leaving with my dog.
So like I said, give me some time on that until I'm back to adress that.
About sidesprange, because I used to coach him, directly from the coaching QT:
Answer towards HF's "how do you usually play as town":
1. I don't like spam, so ideally I would want to have a playstyle that have fewer posts and them all pretty much have valuable content. Ofcourse I am far from this atm. I deffo have room to post way more than I do.
2. Sometimes I don't have time, but that is more just one day that I miss or something like that. I will never be short on time for the entire game.
3. Main reason for my low posting is because I have trouble figuring out what to say. Which most often comes down to me not being very good at finding scum.
I think the only way to figure him out is to meta him given that I don't think there's a reason to lie to your coach about how you want to play as town.
I could get more into detail about this but don't think that'd be a good thing
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On February 21 2014 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Toad i am going to tell you one thing: Show nested quote +That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. The opposite.... really, the opposite.
how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games.
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On February 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Toad i am going to tell you one thing: That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. The opposite.... really, the opposite. how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games. This is a "case" i made on him in NMM, one of tha games you quoted: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like i just looked at his past games and: - town games - 19 and 23 pages of filter, a lot of oneliners, questions many people about his concerns, is clearly trying to find out what people think about what he thinks is important
- scum game - 7 pages of filter, more big irrelevant posts that are inclined to talk about what X thinks of Y and how it's right/wrong. no real pushing of his own ideas.
If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me.
Well it's about his openings and not about he's playing in general as that's the only thing we've got so far, so I don't really care about how he's playing after d2, later or how long his filter is going to be later on because that's yet to be seen.
On February 21 2014 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, do you think your case on Balla is stronger than what's been said about suki? If so, why? (or how I guess) What's been unconvincing about what people have said about suki to you?
haven't looked into suki in detail yet. From what I've seen and what my gut says she looks like how she played in the game I co-hosted, the one you coached as well, the one were people ended up lynching her despite being town. Always talking about stuff that's on her mind without thinking about it.
You wanted me to look for scum myself so I've ignored her to not just run into a situation where I just end up +1ing what's already been said even if that might be helpful as well if she's actually mafia as that won't give you anything about me. Balla's the one that I ended up with. Not quite sure what to make of you, Koshi, Sidesprang and Oats if you must know. Those would be the next people to look into for me and suki belongs in there now as well.
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