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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 20:30 GMT
#2534
EBWOP: "But seriously, thank you for actually" line should be the last line, don't know how it ended up there.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 20:38 GMT
#2539
On February 25 2014 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game.

Then i quoted a post from NMM as Toad asked me to elaborate more.

After that you started posting.


Fair enough. So you did what Toad did which is analyze my meta based on the first 24 hours of the game. I don't think that's fair in the long run, but scum reading me at that point is totally reasonable.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 20:45 GMT
#2543
On February 25 2014 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe you are telling the truth Balla and just missed all those posts. Who knows.

I mean, maybe i'm self-centered but some of the stuff was easy to miss, especially the reasoning for town reading kush since I was very interested in that and it was offered up in response to CFP and not me as a one liner. I still think this would have been much easier if you would have just said to me

"Hey Balla, I already explain so and so in response to so and so here:

--quote-

If you want further explanation i'd be happy to explain"

instead of letting me rip my hair out every time i asked you anything T_T
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 20:49 GMT
#2549
On February 25 2014 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 25 2014 05:29 Balla24 wrote:
On February 25 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much?


Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever.

Well i thought suki was mafia. marv thought suki was mafia. i know how marv operates and he seemed to be operating like he does as scum, having someone as a scumread and not talking with them. Hell he even said later on that's what he does as town (if he finds someone scummy he questions them more to find out if they are actyually scum or not). marv to me didn't seem like he was interested in questioning suki about her scummy stuff, but instead said "well i'll go see if i find something townie". .That's what i saw.

Now why do i need to make all these posts again because i have explained all this?


Totally understood, now understand my PoV:

What you see about marv to me, is very very little and is pretty circumstantial. It might be on purpose it might not be, I can't tell. So when you go ham about it and disregard everything you said about toad before because you think marv is mafia and marv is trying to get toad lynched. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe it's because we have a different approach to the game or something but I wouldn't do that at all.

Toad looks scummy, marv has something that could be scummy as well, I would point it out and question marv about it then try to decide which of marv or toad looks scummier instead of flipping my reads like that off of something so small.

Does this make sense?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 20:58 GMT
#2552
On February 25 2014 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 25 2014 05:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 25 2014 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 25 2014 05:29 Balla24 wrote:
On February 25 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much?


Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever.

Well i thought suki was mafia. marv thought suki was mafia. i know how marv operates and he seemed to be operating like he does as scum, having someone as a scumread and not talking with them. Hell he even said later on that's what he does as town (if he finds someone scummy he questions them more to find out if they are actyually scum or not). marv to me didn't seem like he was interested in questioning suki about her scummy stuff, but instead said "well i'll go see if i find something townie". .That's what i saw.

Now why do i need to make all these posts again because i have explained all this?


Totally understood, now understand my PoV:

What you see about marv to me, is very very little and is pretty circumstantial. It might be on purpose it might not be, I can't tell. So when you go ham about it and disregard everything you said about toad before because you think marv is mafia and marv is trying to get toad lynched. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe it's because we have a different approach to the game or something but I wouldn't do that at all.

Toad looks scummy, marv has something that could be scummy as well, I would point it out and question marv about it then try to decide which of marv or toad looks scummier instead of flipping my reads like that off of something so small.

Does this make sense?

Yes i am not arguing you are not making sense from any point of view.
I am arguing that i can't argue about this because there is nothing to argue about. I am also arguing that i find it weird that you question me about things i have already explained, and that is your case.

You can't make a case based on "this doesn't make sense to me" if i have explained my reasoning behind those things. You should make a case "this is what he did, this is why, and this is why it does not make sense from town pov".

That's why the case is bad and that's why there is nothing to argue about.


And what i'm saying is that when someone is missing an explanation of something and misrepresenting what you said then as town it is your responsibility to show them what they are missing and how they are misrepresenting you. Sure it's their fault for doing it in the first place but it doesn't make them scum and if you can maybe help them get to a point where they think you are not scum anymore then you can join forces and become scum hunting machines instead of just breathing down each other's throats and killing the thread atmosphere like we did T_T

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:02 GMT
#2554
thanks hon
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:11 GMT
#2558
I would not never lynched prplhz. Everything I said about him on D1 has completely turned on n1 and d2. The guy has really done nothing since then and isn't trying to move in any pro-town directions like he was in the early game.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:16 GMT
#2561
My theory was that they were worried about marv getting saved, so they hit the person out of the pool of townies who killed toad that they thought was trying their hardest. While I didn't really like anything he was saying, he was definitely actually trying, while the rest of the ppl in that pool weren't (palmar, prplhz, koshi) really doing anything besides sheeping marv.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:18 GMT
#2564
Yeah but was he realistically going to get pushed to mislynch? Not really. The main people today were going to be suki and I no matter what happened.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:21 GMT
#2566
On February 25 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 25 2014 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But he was a suspect. For a lot of people, like basically to everyone. That hit is really weird.

He was town to me t.t

Yep, the fact is even if he was suspicious to some people. He was not high on ANYBODIES list except palmar lol... so it's a decent kill out of that pool that i'm talking about.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:29 GMT
#2570
I'd probably also take my chances, so it's weird that they didn't, but I would definitely have killed CFP if I didn't want to take my chances. One person is not going to make the difference in securing a mislynch on a fringe target.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:31 GMT
#2571
On February 25 2014 06:29 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 25 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i was scum i'd take my chances and kill marv.

Regarding expecting Palmar to die or possibly me, it's something I thought about a bit as well. It smacks of fear and inexperience on the scum team's part. Hitting fluffypuffy was weak.


I really don't think Palmar was doing that much beyond sheeping you so why were people expecting him to die... all he was doing was pissing townies off.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:35 GMT
#2574
No I understand that, I'm just saying I don't think its that weird based on his play this game and especially his later d1 and n1 play.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:37 GMT
#2576
on this page we discuss reasoning for the mafia hit and i provide possible reasoning
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:40 GMT
#2578
Sure.

I don't see any experienced player reasonably deciding to hit the smurf over you or palmar.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 21:50 GMT
#2581
On February 25 2014 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 06:40 Balla24 wrote:
Sure.

I don't see any experienced player reasonably deciding to hit the smurf over you or palmar.

So why was there a case and a vote on me by you?

Are we seriously going into this again? That does not confirm anybody as town to me.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 22:04 GMT
#2586
You "check" on me followed pretty obviously by saying what koshi pointed out followed by "Balla you are funny <3" after I wrote a bunch of stuff when I woke up in the morning.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 24 2014 22:05 GMT
#2587
If that's a breadcrumb I don't know i'm not very experienced with these things and I suck with interacting with how blue roles should play hardcore. Except the suki shot. I know that was awful <3
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 25 2014 00:07 GMT
#2595
ez
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 25 2014 00:08 GMT
#2596
marv you're too good
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