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I wonder but we really need to stop pushing it any more, especially everybody saying "it wasn't me" because obviously there is a vig out there and they might have more shots. So let's stop saying "it wasnt me".
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The last 2 quotes were contributing to the current conversations that were occuring. I didn't have anything to add to what you were pushing at him for. That's it.
IIRC Toad said he was going afk after the case he wrote on me so I didn't say much to him then because I wanted him to come back and either continue pushing the misrepresentation of me or see what I was saying and back off. When he came back I was in the middle of being attacked by suki and having a long conversation with her. What he did do then was take a half stance in between saying he would continue looking into me, he didn't say anything on either side of what I was expecting so there was nothing there.
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On February 23 2014 10:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 11:18 Balla24 wrote:
I really don't understand why he didn't put his vote on me instead of Toad. His vote on toad was so useless then considering toad wasnt even there anymore and toad made a case on ME, when he thinks im scummy. He didn't even re-evaluate toad after that. Then he refuses to answer my questions. And yet Balla voted the totally absent sidesprang?
I don't see your point here???? Did you completely miss my explanations for voting sidesprang?
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Sorry dude, I think you're really good, but if I don't have anything to add to it then I don't have anything to add. Especially when it all happens while i'm asleep. I just didn't feel the need to comment on it, especially when it wasn't really making me lean one way or another on toad when I was reading it on my first pass.
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Marv, since you know rayn so well, and he won't do it himself T_T, can you explain to me why town rayn (who thinks suki and I are both scum) votes on suki rather than me on day1?
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Especially when he thinks toad is town....
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yep, my default suspicion was on you
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It is.
On February 23 2014 09:02 Sylencia wrote:
Default Suspicions based on Day 1 votes (Vote Count):
VIVAX420 (2) - Oatsmaster, Palmar
Koshi (2) - marvellosity, Koshi
prplhz (1) - raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1) - prplhz
marvellosity (1) - VIVAX420
raynpelikoneet (1) - Balla24
Balla24 (1) - Alakaslam
Next deadline:
Deadline date: Tuesday, Feb 25 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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NO explain your fake check or claim or whatever now..
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On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote:On rayn: Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Seriously, look at this: Toad's only scum read seems to be me. That's pretty bad... especially considering his case on me was almost solely based on early game meta, and even though I agree that my early game could possibly be interpreted as similar to my scum games, I think he was purposefully misrepresenting both what I was saying in the early game, and the context which you can see what I said about it here:
I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly.
I think it's annoying that he focused so heavily on the rayn subject and responding to questioning about it. May not be his fault, but even if I was in his shoes I would have attempted to get my opinions out on somebody else as well. I wasn't around so I don't know how rapid fire this stuff was going on. As soon as it ended he wrote a case on me and then nothing else. Looking forward to his contributions in the rest of the day. 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler +On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) wrong. He saw something scummy based one meta and called you out of it. You said you could play like this as scum. That makes Toad's argument not scummy. Maybe wrong, but you can't possibly say it's scummy to call something scummy scummy. That's just retarded.
2) It's not scummy, it's pressure. I don't need to tell you what Toad has done after that, that was not a part of your case. Don't change your argument in the middle of one. That's bullshit.
3) So what? That's not what you say in the last paragraph. You don't say it's scummy and you don't explain why it's scummy. You say you need to hear more from him. That's what you say, not "scummy", but "need to hear more". If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Balla you are making a new case as we speak. Why don't you answer my concerns in your original case intead of making a new one? And if you think these new points you bring up are so good why were they not in your original case? That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneetEverything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 22 2014 05:05 Balla24 wrote:
Rayn pls, 3rd time, what do you think of kush? town. Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 03:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Do you have more on Kush rayn? If you have something more, I'd like to hear it. I find him difficult to read.
And I believe Barristan is the last person that needs to post. I'd suggest people start to vote now so we can see where we are at. I think there is enough content that people should be able to make some reasonable reads. What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +I find it hilarious how both your points already counter one another. In the first you say you pointed out a mistake in Kush's reasoning so you can't both be scum, in the second you say a scum should lay into you. I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way).
This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth.
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Explain why i need to do better than that, because as far as i'm concerned you haven't done ANYTHING to justify any of your actions that I am talking about in that case yet.
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Challenge accepted, if you're not going to do anything useful to help me see if you are town then you should just go to sleep instead of antagonizing me.
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You are so brilliant rayn, thanks for that amazing insight into your play and why you do stuff. I'm gonna go far with this knowledge.
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Tell me rayn if all that is so shit:
- Justfiy your townread of kush, even if its different today I want to know why you thought kush was town yesterday.
- Elaborate on how I am playing toward my scum meta, or at least how I was yesterday.
- Explain to me why you decided NOT to push me for a lynch instead of toad if you thought toad was so townie.
If it's shit then you should easily be able to explain all of this with EASE.
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I'm done until someone interesting shows up. Thanks rayn.
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Actually this is hilarious even if he's kidding in this first quote:
On February 23 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Balla you have perfect reasons to vote for me. Why is your vote not on me?
On February 23 2014 11:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:One thing i am going to answer is this shit: Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote:On rayn: Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Seriously, look at this: Toad's only scum read seems to be me. That's pretty bad... especially considering his case on me was almost solely based on early game meta, and even though I agree that my early game could possibly be interpreted as similar to my scum games, I think he was purposefully misrepresenting both what I was saying in the early game, and the context which you can see what I said about it here:
I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly.
I think it's annoying that he focused so heavily on the rayn subject and responding to questioning about it. May not be his fault, but even if I was in his shoes I would have attempted to get my opinions out on somebody else as well. I wasn't around so I don't know how rapid fire this stuff was going on. As soon as it ended he wrote a case on me and then nothing else. Looking forward to his contributions in the rest of the day. 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler +On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) wrong. He saw something scummy based one meta and called you out of it. You said you could play like this as scum. That makes Toad's argument not scummy. Maybe wrong, but you can't possibly say it's scummy to call something scummy scummy. That's just retarded.
2) It's not scummy, it's pressure. I don't need to tell you what Toad has done after that, that was not a part of your case. Don't change your argument in the middle of one. That's bullshit.
3) So what? That's not what you say in the last paragraph. You don't say it's scummy and you don't explain why it's scummy. You say you need to hear more from him. That's what you say, not "scummy", but "need to hear more". If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Balla you are making a new case as we speak. Why don't you answer my concerns in your original case intead of making a new one? And if you think these new points you bring up are so good why were they not in your original case? That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneetEverything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. Wrong, nothing else to say. This is shit. Show nested quote +I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like
Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc
Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang
Suki(1):rayn
Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". Wrong, this is also shit. Show nested quote +I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 22 2014 05:05 Balla24 wrote:
Rayn pls, 3rd time, what do you think of kush? town. Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 03:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Do you have more on Kush rayn? If you have something more, I'd like to hear it. I find him difficult to read.
And I believe Barristan is the last person that needs to post. I'd suggest people start to vote now so we can see where we are at. I think there is enough content that people should be able to make some reasonable reads. What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +I find it hilarious how both your points already counter one another. In the first you say you pointed out a mistake in Kush's reasoning so you can't both be scum, in the second you say a scum should lay into you. I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Oh god, i see a trend. shit. Show nested quote +Last thing: On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way).
This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. shitshithsit. Hey, that was your case. 
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Damn i'm the last US timezone player here except for kush huh... this is gonna suck.
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How is that question going to help you determine my alignment? The answer is the same for both. I'm not sure how I would have played this game if I was scum.
Self-meta analysis is useless and always has been.
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I know why you asked but its a silly question, if i'm scum what am i gonna say? Yes obviously I can reach this filter size? No.
The truth is, if IDK how well i would have been able to play as scum, every game is different, and i've played 2 really good town games recently.
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