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suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 22:17 GMT
#895
Let's lynch slam/coag for being just as awful as jonny then. His play is completely different from last game, less activity, less reads, less interest.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 22:18 GMT
#897
I can't get over the fact that people who are active as town just completely go awol when they roll scum. Like they just give up from the beginning even though they know inactivity is a huge tell.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 22:25 GMT
#902
Please stop throwing around vague accusations and just write a case.

I'm not scum and the way I have been playing is not scummy either so if you have something to say, say it properly.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 22:41 GMT
#906
I take my play very seriously. Being constantly wrong like this is really sad for me.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 02:46 GMT
#940
Just for all you suki haters out there, having a different opinion about people and strongly pushing my scum read and trying to get people to see what I see are all not scummy.

There's no reason to start playing paranoid town lets-lynch-the-most-active-person-in-the-game at this point. Like seriously. I can't believe you guys are even considering this.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 02:51 GMT
#942
Coag care to make a case?

I want to lynch you because of slam's activity, but I'm totally willing to put that aside if you start contributing and sharing your reads.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 02:55 GMT
#946
I freely posted my opinions on everybody, Balla. I was just so damn sure of Jay.

But yes, I will give him a break and let him shine his true colours.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 02:56 GMT
#947
It's not like I just tunneled the hell out of Jay and ignored everyone else and you have nothing in my filter except stuff about Jay.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 03:06 GMT
#952
I'll post reads tomorrow.

Also Koshi did you want me to reply to your case against me?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 03:32 GMT
#963
Reason I didn't push Jonny was because I wanted to see more from him.

His activity this game has been:

1. active start of the game
2. drunk posting
3. crappy read on koshi and a little bit of chat with aqua
4. quick pop in just before lynch.

After his drunk posting was when a lot of people were forming cases on Jonny. At this point I wanted to see more from Jonny. I did comment on a few points which were brought up that I agreed on but was willing to wait. When he posted his crappy read on Koshi I was already convinced on my case on Jay. Between Jay and Jonny I wanted to push Jay more, hence I didn't push Jonny.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 03:44 GMT
#967
Because Jay caught my eye. I didn't start wondering about Jonny until probably around or after his drunk posting.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 03:45 GMT
#969
reads tomorrow. g'nite peeps.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 03:46 GMT
#970
It is what it is Koshi.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 15:17 GMT
#1004
Hi my paranoid townie subjects.

Not much I can say on the allegations against me so I'm just going to provide analysis and if you really want to lynch me then afterwards I will hopefully have contributed enough to lead town to a win. I guess if I were to say one thing as defense, it's that I'm town, and not all the meta arguments brought against me are true, and some that are true don't apply because I guess I'm playing differently this game, ie. my tunnel on Jay as opposed to flopping around like a fish out of water. But there's no point in me arguing my own meta.

My pick for the day 2 lynch at the moment:

Slam/Coag
Slam's activity this game is very different from his town game last game. He came in late, citing work things, but his activity didn't pick up from there. This is in direct contrast when he was coming in the thread on his phone posting garbage but still trying to say things. I think this point is actually very important.

He's more serious in tone. There's very little joking, none of the light hearted attitude that permeated last game:
+ Show Spoiler +

Quotes from early game from the previous game:
On February 03 2014 05:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 15:01 suki wrote:
Wait slam.. you won't compensate for ignorance..

I think the phrase you're looking for is you won't 'tolerate' ignorance? :>

I know what I know, I say what I said and I know what I know!

On February 04 2014 10:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 07:23 Koshi wrote:
Oats and Alakaslam will easily make it. jay can make it, we will be buds after LoL

LoL Pick your power league I was never close to being lynched. Scum tried though. And they died. Painfully. Due to my inventions. Glorious.

YOU BET AON

I CANT GUARANTEE QUALITEE BUT I CANNAE AVOID TEH SPAM WITHOUT ÜUBERLURK

On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote:
pffft.

you all crappin on my styles

##unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster


His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!

He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.




He doesn't vote people as freely, and doesn't call people out for being scummy.
Previous Game as town:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 05 2014 02:10 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 15:28 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC

Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer


I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense.

I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped.

Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning.

jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum.


On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:
He just isn't vocalizing his reasons.

Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.

Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet

Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.

Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.

But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.

I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.

Vote: LoneMeow

jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.

if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.

On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote:
pffft.

you all crappin on my styles

##unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster


His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!

He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.



This Game:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 08 2014 10:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.

Thing about lurker lynches. You can advocate them but if you don't follow through your motives should be questioned... Has Jaybrundage voted for me yet?

... Who is he voting? If anyone has been lurking I have been, he should be pushing me according to this policy.

More as I feel the desire to comment on it.

On February 08 2014 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol Suki

That coloring. Don't color shit in the first case.

Guess what? You find that Jay apparently calls himself mislynch bait as town and as scum. You kept highlighting that in his scum games but not his towngame.

Just that first case has me suspicious of YOU. What is going on with that kind of fabrication? People will read the highlights better at times but I have some paranoia that gives me memory of connection and an Armenian-reading-a-contract type of thouroughness if I see stuff like that.(coloration)

However could have been a slip as all ppl make mistakes. And I haven't read the whole thing, so will finish before drawing conclusions

On February 08 2014 14:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:18 jaybrundage wrote:
I just looked at Koshi's filter since the last time I said I wasn't gonna tunnel him. I'm null on him atm.

Did it just for you Suki. Now go away.

But this sucks too jay ez to say null

Of course hard to form good read too so whatever

On February 08 2014 18:52 Alakaslam wrote:

You pointed something out in there, jay did not push me or lone. Pushes me to ##Vote: jaybrundage for now, if I find a better candidate I will switch.

Going to go measure some temps and will return.



There's just a marked decline in interest in scumhunting and calling people out for scummy things.

Also this was in the previous spoiler but let me bring something up here:
On February 08 2014 18:52 Alakaslam wrote:

You pointed something out in there, jay did not push me or lone. Pushes me to ##Vote: jaybrundage for now, if I find a better candidate I will switch.

Going to go measure some temps and will return.


Slam has always just thrown his vote on who he thinks is scummy. In the spoiler above from the previous game, he voted LoneMeow and his very next post he voted Oatsmaster with only the text 'You all crappin' on my styles'. This self-consciousness in how he changes his vote is very scummy to me.

There is also the point that Slam basically ignored JonnyLaw.


Now Coag:
On February 09 2014 04:22 Coagulation wrote:
I just threw a placeholder vote down while i catch up on thread so i dont get stuck with whatever slam voted cause apparently thats what was gonna happen.


Coag comes in and votes JonnyLaw without explanation two and a half hours before the lynch. He says it's a placeholder but doesn't say anything else in the thread until after the lynch.

On February 09 2014 11:35 Coagulation wrote:
ok so im finishing catching up in thread...
and seems like you guys have already decided to lynch me based on slams actions so umm thats not good considering how shit at town I am Im not gonna have a snowballs chance in hell of unshitting alakaslams play. Just wanted to get that out there. dont expect me to work any miracles but I will try to keep thread updated with my reads as much as I can as I follow the game.


Is it just me or is he self-convinced that slam's play is shit and scummy? People have been bringing up slam as a good lynch candidate but there were other names being thrown around as well (oats, jay, me). Yet Oats seems resigned from the outset.

His call for the vigi to shoot him indicates a lack of desire to play. I think scum (at least from what I've seen here) are more likely to be discouraged from rolling scum and not want to put in the effort. Basically his whole attitude thus far is downtrodden. A scum would know the allegations against slam would be true, a town would know they're false and at least be willing to try to make up for the crappy play, right?

In short, both slam and coag's play thus far fit into a scum mindset.

- - -

Thoughts on other people coming up.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 15:41 GMT
#1005
Sidesprang

In Newbie Mafia LI, theDragoon was by far the most popular lynch candidate. Everybody was voting theDragoon. sidesprang started questioning Dragoon heavily, trying to find his motivations:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 07 2014 15:33 sidesprang wrote:
@theDragoon Who would you vote for now and why ?

Also, why did you change your mind and wanted to defend yourself afterall ?

On January 07 2014 16:09 sidesprang wrote:
So from your defence post I take it that your biggest scumread is suki, why did you not change your vote to him? And are you planning on doing more to get yourself not lynched ?

Also why is suki scum if you flip town?


His reason:
On January 07 2014 16:32 sidesprang wrote:
The fact that it is a landslide in voting atm is why im trying to poke theDragoon to talk some more. I think it's all going to easy atm, tho voting aside and before he voted for himself he was my biggest scumread. But hopefully he will contribute some more since he have some new found interesting in defending himself.

I'm here now, so if you wanna lynch me why don't you poke me for some reads or something. Kinda like the plan was with lurkers in the start of the day...


Remember earlier this game I stated I was concerned about Jonny being scum because literally everybody was on him? Sidesprang, when he commented and voted on JonnyLaw, didn't have strong feelings that Jonny was scum, and yet he only asks about Balla and doesn't seem concerned that everyone is bandwagoning on Jonny.

On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote:

Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense.

@Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why?

##Vote JonnyLaw


His reads this game are all non-commital:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote:
Ok lets see...

LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle.

Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time.

[suki note: notice for all these words he avoids coming to any conclusions on slam]

@Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny?

Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that.

@Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell?

Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense.

@Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why?

##Vote JonnyLaw


On February 09 2014 22:14 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so from the lynch. Coag and Suki both are looking bad, and have been talked about a lot.

Suki as I said is hard for me, she completly fooled me for the most part in Newbie mafia L1, and i'm starting to get scared she is doing it again. I had her as null / leaning town earlier. But her hard attack on Jay looks way worse now that Jonny flipped scum. I mean most of us thought Jonny was good D1 lynch, and the fact that Jay blueclaimed but she stilled thought he was a better lynch I find a off. Yes the claim was wierd, but he did the same shit last game.

The Slam / Coag team looks bad mostly for his lack of mentioning of Jonny. Which I wish we could have questioned Slam about. Sadly unless Coag for some reason decides to actually play mafia I doubt we will get much usefull information from him. Might be the best vig shot if we got one imo.

Two others that really did not mention Jonny either is Hopeless and Oats, and I think we should look at them for tomorrow aswell.

Hopeless on Jonny:

Only post before vote where jonny is mentioned:

Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 08 2014 00:57 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless what do you think of Oats?

At a skim, he goes from JayB->JonnyLaw->me->Suki->sidesprang. Can't sit still, pursuing everything he sees for the most part.

He completely glances over JonnyLaw and me, but volunteered reads/reasons for the other 3. I think he's town.


The vote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:29 Koshi wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:
You never sheep.
Was is dis?

I sheep all the time, I just dont say im sheeping

Not at all.
Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you?
How sure are you about jonny red flip?

Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm

I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone

##Unvote
##Vote: JonnyLaw




Oats on Jonny:

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Johnny is my second pick for scum but I doubt that him and jay are on the same team due to the pretty much exact same push on koshi. Thoughts?


Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
I gave the first analysis on suki, the only thing I sheeped was aqua asking about suki.

how is suki town because she totally ignores jayb's case and thinks he is too tryhard and therefore scum? URGHGHHH

fine.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang

Firstly his scumreads dont make sense. He summarizes all our filters and doesnt say anything about how it makes us scum, he isnt reading in depth at all to know that I think johnny is town and his townread on suki doesnt make sense either.
bleh its hard to phrase but I dont get the feeling like he is questioning anything at all in this game.


Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 11:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm johnny says he is gonna post a case on balla. I wanna see how that goea but currently I could lynch
Hes like really angry. Angry people are scummy people


The Vote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
bleh.
sheep time
##vote johnny


I don't really know hopeless playstyle, and I mentioned earlier that Oats can pull this off as either allignment.And now that Jonny flipped scum I'm getting extra worried. Sadly their play this game is mostly short post with little content, so they are hard to read, atleast for me.

For now I would think both scum lies in theese four.

Anyone have input on oats / hopeless? Don't feel they have been discussed much yet.








Hmm... Definitely not so sure about sidesprang. It might just be because we don't have any full scum games to refer to, but I'm having a hard time meta reading him.

His lack of firm scum reads is convenient play if he's scum, but I noticed looking through his town games that he usually plays it safe and is cautious about who and what he calls scummy.

The lack of concern that Jonny was an easy target that everyone was getting at is only circumstantial and not hard evidence in my opinion, but something that I noticed.

Verdict: Sidesprang is a little scummy to me right now.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 15:52 GMT
#1008
I think Koshi and Balla look very town from their push on Jonny.
I think Aqua's constant interactions with Jonny also make him look town.
Oats hard to read but he still feels like last game and I liked his pressure on me in Day 1. It felt very townie.
Hopeless hard to read, but gut read says he's town. I like his light attitude and his activity.
I think LoneMeow has been playing well and I liked his gut read of Hopeless and the way he defended it when people pressured him. I like that he is pushing hard on slam/coag so we'll see what happens after Day 2.

I think I've done enough with Jay and am not going to touch him for Day 2 to give him a break.

So I guess the summary is, people that I think are scummy are Coag and Sidesprang. Jay I'm giving a break. Everyone else I like their Day 1 play and probably will wait until Day 3 to look at them again unless something happens during Day 2.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 16:28 GMT
#1011
slam/coag :p

pretty sure I made it clear
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 16:32 GMT
#1014
Balla I posted all my reads above on everyone in the game.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 16:36 GMT
#1017
Do you disagree with any of my reasons? Are you suspicious of any of the people who I am calling likely town at this point?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 09 2014 16:38 GMT
#1018
I think Hopeless looks better for his case on me. It's a lot of effort in a case that has legitimate points. The contradictions he points out can be seen as scummy although the conclusion of course is not true.

I'd like to see your thoughts on other scummy people Hopeless.
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