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suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:09 GMT
#586
5 people haven't voted. There is no excuse not to put your current suspicions out there.

Gogo people.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:13 GMT
#588
On February 08 2014 12:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On February 08 2014 11:47 Aquanim wrote:
On February 08 2014 11:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because he obviously thinks sprang is town. Nowait.

Fair enough. OK I'll talk to you then.

What do you think of jayB's case above on Alak? How does it reflect on Alak and jayB to you?

It certainly makes jayb look better. Scummy working his way back to null for alak due to general lurkiness.


And what about the context of JayB's case on Alak? The fact that he's pushing this lynch instead of providing more analysis on Koshi who he also still finds scummy?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:24 GMT
#595
On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads?

Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people.


On February 08 2014 11:06 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 08 2014 10:22 Balla24 wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:57 Aquanim wrote:
@JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him?


To add to this: why does Koshi not "being on the menu" mean you don't want to lynch him?


A few reasons. If people who i think are town don't think Koshi is scum then I can be mistaken and instead of tunneling him I should be trying to create other reads. If there is no support for a lynch then going after it relentlessly and tunneling on him is just detrimental to town.


Consider this a request for you to "continue tunneling' Koshi. LoneMeow and Jonny are unsure of Koshi's alignment, and LoneMeow is townie to you.

What things about Koshi's play recently make you think he's scummy?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:27 GMT
#596
On February 08 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Suki I gave my reasoning for not going after koshi.I also mentioned jonny before there is no new content from him. I think he could be scum tho. Oats, Lonemeow I think there more likely to be town. I think your a bit scummy. Your early posting with your dismissal of my case just because it was early. You trolling me with things that were simply untrue. You recent posting has been a better.


So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:29 GMT
#598
On February 08 2014 12:21 Alakaslam wrote:
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On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down.


Oh slam, I still love you.

That said get to work! *cracks whip*
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:39 GMT
#603
JayB said
Koshi is scum but I don't plan on writing a case on him.


How is this pro-town at all?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:41 GMT
#605
Are all you people on the fence about Jay reading this?

If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:42 GMT
#606
Royal cookies for anyone that tries.

There will be sprinkles.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:54 GMT
#608
On February 08 2014 12:49 Aquanim wrote:
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On February 08 2014 12:41 suki wrote:
Are all you people on the fence about Jay reading this?

If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good.

My current opinion on Jay is "don't like his play so far, but he is at least posting cases and appears to give a damn about the game. My read on him will improve with time, so I'd prefer to lynch Jonny who's done f-all and does not appear to give a damn about finding scum."

Do you have a single, unified case on Jay? If so I couldn't find it.


Please do tell where he is posting cases.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 03:59 GMT
#610
There's my meta case on him, and then random tidbits following that as my case continues to build. I don't feel like making another big case on him because I think the meta case covers everything pretty succinctly.

But since you asked so nicely, here are the relevant posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 08 2014 03:29 suki wrote:
Jay's play in previous games:

+ Show Spoiler +

Scum in Roulette Mini Mafia
On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote:
So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches.
But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz.

I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D:)

Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D



self-consciousness.

On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote:
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On June 05 2013 02:25 s0Lstice wrote:
Stutters, can you answer your own question? You are voting him (Oats) currently so I assume that you have some reason to think he is more likely to be scum than just a townie not particularly giving a shit.

My thinking is I have no idea on his alignment just yet. Generally though being totally careless of the threads opinion of you is a townie trait, so he has that going for now.

I gotta say I agree with layabout on jaybrundage. His entry into the thread was filled with trepidation

On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote:
So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches.
But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz.

I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D

Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D



It looks to me like he is trying to defuse pressure on him before it even happens. 'I can't rely on previous experiences' is a prepackaged excuse to go light on scum hunting. 'I am occasionally lynch bate' is a prepackaged excuse for looking suspicious. It looks extremely self conscious. This point by layabout too is relevent.

On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure



I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage?

If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie


Meaningless pressure. It's a way of looking useful without actually being useful (shit-flinging at somebody who isn't going to be around to take umbrage). This is the direction I want to go. He looks the scummiest of anybody so far.

##vote jaybrundage



Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play.

Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post.

The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case.

#Vote S0lstice


self-consciousness.

On June 05 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote:
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On June 05 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 05 2013 10:55 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I don't have the time to do detailed analysis of everyone I want to look into right now but let's bounce some suspects.

First for me is Fuba. Check out his long post his only suspect has been Vayne and with his answer he takes some time to defend himself and waffles on Vayne. Very noncommittal, doesn't really pressure and has been mia. I haven't played with Fuba in ages but I remember him being much more active. Do you think he's strapped for time and town or a scummer getting by due to the relative inactivity.


I am waiting to see more from him but he's definitely on my radar, I am reading the thread just don't have much to contribute right now. These metagames and pointless accusations this early bore me.

Well how would you start day 1. I stuggle day one because there is no content to go off of. And the whole purpose is to create content.



excuses.

Scum in British Empire Mini Mafia II
On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o
Buuuuut prolly za jokes.

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On March 05 2013 10:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On March 05 2013 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
And the problem with claiming that is what? HoP has no powers, mafia has no increased incentive to hit me that they wouldn't normally have. We can strike setup A off the list of possible setups.

You can't throw 3 joke votes down in a game like this. With a scumteam of 2, they can swoop in and force an instant mislynch. In the ensuing chaos it wouldn't be terribly difficult to swing suspicion onto one of the initial voters. However, I don't think any serious townie wouldn't have realized that. At least 1 scum I would imagine has already voted me.

##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake


You really think scum would hammer a random vote like that? That's recipe for getting owned the next day.


Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D:

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On March 05 2013 16:32 Vivax wrote:
It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise.

##Vote jaybrundage

Best mislynch NA

YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ



joking attitude with mislynch comment.

On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote:
I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means.

But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse.


Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless.



On March 06 2013 11:25 jaybrundage wrote:
I wasn't confident in my reads. I wanted to act like i was to try to put more pressure on them (dandel, vivax)
Never have been big on questioning my scum reads tbh. Thats more your forte. My reckoning is if someone is scum they wont give any satisfactory answers anyway. But ill try it out.

As for going with the flow. Your right. I prefer to go with people's reads I have a town read on. I have done this to death palmar and even you at points in games. I hate day 1 for a reason. There is no concrete information to go on.

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On March 06 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jay
Could you respond to the two other things I posted? (Going with the flow + Not questioning your scumreads)

I'm also a bit skeptical about how "convinced" you've seemed about your reads on Vivax/Dandel at times this game. You've openly admitted to hating Day 1 play, and you seemed very comfortable with these reads, which is pretty contradictory.

On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote:
I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means.

But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse.

Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless.


I'd rather see you pursue your own ideas rather than acknowledge all of mine as 100% true.



self-consciousness.

Town in Nomination Mafia
On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote:
In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does?

In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz.

I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much.

And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense.


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On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:
I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play.

Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar.
In a nutshell your filter contains
- No useful contributions, other than you following a curiosity on RNG (which was never taking off)
- You were a proponent of bringing back into the limelight my comments to Oats, when i already gave my 2cents.
- You admit to having no contributions to add to town (as your explanation on the lack of posts)
- You was the first people to lead the JX lynch; before anything was concrete
And to top it off
- Your last post reads as if you dont give a shit a townie just flipped. You instantly move on, thinking about scum nominations already. Its like you fucked him in a one night stand and then kicked him out and didnt even call a taxi.

Even when prplhz is questioning you; you respond meekly, I believe with the intention to be ignored.
It worked.
Whilst this occured you were subtly asking everyone to consolidate on JX; but never contributed with serious thought on why he was the best candidate. This reeks to manipulation and scum play.
Scummy townies often say things that are so stupid/wrong its easy to think they are trying to mislead as town.
Your filter shows no signs of unintentional misleading, rather, when pressuring Jay you are EXTREMELY specific.

Thus, for me, I see intentional play to drive your agenda:
i.e.push JX as lynch candidate and remain low by making calculated decisions to show interest and responding methodically to blend in.

@all
Please share your thoughts on the above; do you see JayBrundage play as a bad townie?



Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum?


Notice how he doesn't really defend himself, he just shoots back a question.
On February 08 2013 14:35 jaybrundage wrote:
I fail to see anything in your response that indicates im scum.

The mislynch occurred cause JX was lurking hard till pressure was applied to him. And he didn't respond in a townie way. I once heard a good town player say. That for the day one lynch the only thing you need to do as town is to make sure you aren't the jackass that gets lynched. You usually have to play badly for it to happen.

Also yes I prefered JX to die over Palmar wasn't that clear. Your issue with consolidation isn't a real issue. It was the end of the day and I asked people to consolidate.


Again, he doesn't excuse his play he re-iterates his reasoning.

On February 08 2013 23:46 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 08 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:
hmm. to be frank
i havent made up my mind with you, im trying to read your town games to see why you said your a scummy-town.

I just wanted feedback on my points.

To give you some quick context. I am the best mislynch na. I used to get lynched about 90 percent of my games, though I have improved a bit cause people were getting used to my meta aka being scummy as fuck as town.

I usually lurk hard as scum and get spammy as town. But this game I don't wanna get overly spammy as it makes me look scummy lol.

Questions?

He is best mislynch NA. But it's not in the joking manner as before. His tone is more serious.

Town in Normal Mini Mafia IV
On January 30 2013 09:16 jaybrundage wrote:
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On January 30 2013 09:08 EmileZola wrote:
actually yeah why am I still talking about this shit

##vote jaybrundage

This is your pressure vote are you fucking srs? Or do you actually think im scum


Questions when he's pressure voted rather than defensive or instant counter attack.
On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote:
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On January 30 2013 09:53 EmileZola wrote:
which is why I accused jay of not reading the thread.

In fact, I consider him scum for the manner in which he switched away from Sharrant. He seemed to switch away from Sharrant when it was apparent Sharrant would gain traction.

Distancing is a scum tactic. He prefers JX over Sharrant and never qualifies the preference any more than "JX has done worse". Not good enough. Either qualify it with tangible evidence, or die.

What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX.


Note the confident attitude.

Town (Fake doctor? XD) in our previous Shadowed Mini Mafia
On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote:
I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing.

How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself?

Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened.


1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game
2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that.

3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far

4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice

5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far

6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned

7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go?

8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho

9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow

10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm

11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared


No waffling here, no excuses on 'I can't get reads easy in D1'
On February 05 2014 02:15 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 05 2014 02:10 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:28 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC

Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer


I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense.

I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped.

Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning.

jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum.


I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking.

I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what.


Confidence. No heavy defense, no excuses.

On February 05 2014 12:13 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 05 2014 12:03 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow.



That's fine.

I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?

I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.


I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.

What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.

We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.


Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.

I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.

Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.



You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore.


##vote Jaybrundage

I have no need to defend oats. Oats can do that himself. I liked the case in general. Why should I nitpick when I have no need too. Can I not agree with a case? I liked the case. Its that simple. I agree with the case. I dont see how you don't get it. Yes I changed my read on suki. I'm trying to figure out the game. She made a good case so more likely to be town.


More confidence.



Jay's play this game:

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On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


excuses.

On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


Immediate counter attack. Something tells me town Jay would be more likely to say "Can you explain why I feel off?" and prod with questions. In other words, his townie confidence is missing.

On February 07 2014 08:55 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage


What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.

Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way.

Suki. Being aggressive does not =! equal scum. I am scum hunting. Why are you voting me. Instead of reading up on my case and seeing if it has merit. You asked me how I was going to change my approach this game. I said it was going to try to do more pressuring and scum hunting. I am doing that.

Should I not want to lynch scum this game. Your question doesn't make sense. It is not that they are in the first four people in the game that I have targeted them. I have targeted balla and Koshi because I find them the most likely to be scum. I think Jonny on the other hand is hella townie atm.


Self consciousness. Defensive, trying to provide reasons for the way he is playing.

On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough.

If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons.

Pretty frustrating.


This is new. I don't think I've seen frustration in his previous games so I don't have a meta read on what this means. The thing that comes to mind is if he was confident townie he probably wouldn't care that people are calling him scummy and would question them right back in their faces.

On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 07 2014 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
n1 mislynch NA jay?

Numba 1 Mislynch NA xD


Joking tone that's present in his scum games when he mentions he's #1 mislynch.

On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?

There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.

Let him play unpressed, see what happens.

Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true.


Self-conscious. This sort of thing doesn't show up in his town games.

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just look at this quote from the previous game:
On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow.



That's fine.

I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?

I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.


I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.

What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.

We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.


Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.

I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.

Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.


Notice how his reasons for finding me scummy were weak, however he doesn't say 'Oh yeah my reasons for thinking suki was scummy weren't that great.' he simply states what he thought. Ie. Confidence.



On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 07 2014 13:13 Balla24 wrote:
Ah yes! Finally.

Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now?


Why does he care that other people think he's town? Again, self-conscious, lack of confidence.
On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads?

Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people.

excuses.



Huh. I think I've just convinced myself Jay is pretty damn scummy.

Also I noticed how in the town examples above, Jay has no problem asking people why they think he's scum, or confirming that they their read on him is that he's scum. In this game he'd rather defend himself than confirm someone's scum read or call them out on it.


On February 08 2014 07:00 suki wrote:
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On February 08 2014 06:52 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 08 2014 06:47 suki wrote:
I find it hard to see Oats and Jay as a scum team though. If I had to put my money on one I'd say Jay is scum and Oats is Oats.


I really don't want connection cases on unflipped players. And I'm not sold on jaybrundage just yet, either. See my earlier post, he has some posts that make him look pretty town after the terrible ones.


Yeah you mentioned this:

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On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough.

If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons.

Pretty frustrating.


And I noticed it in my meta analysis too.. Frustration is something that I haven't seen from Jay before.

But like..
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On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:42 sidesprang wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment?

It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy.


What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town?

The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy.

However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree.


This just.. He's just giving excuses.

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On February 07 2014 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy.

Ok so let me go thru my reasoning.

So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum.

At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it.

Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real.

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On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?

There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.

Let him play unpressed, see what happens.

Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true.


If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all.

What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having.

After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense?

Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about.


Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within.

On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it.

Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".



The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi):

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not?

Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1.

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On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?

@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is.

That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.











and this.. so much backtracking. Like... uughh.

In Shadowed Mafia he was top 2 lynch target and he was nothing like this.

On February 08 2014 07:09 suki wrote:
By the way in my first Mafia game ever, I rolled scum and got lynched Day 1.

One of the things that happened was I made some contradiction that people were all calling me out on, and I thought really hard about a way to explain it so it wasn't contradictory. So then I posted my defense, and people were like yeah I guess that sounds reasonable but we're going to lynch you anyways because you're the most scummy.

Afterwards, people were telling me that my defense almost had them convinced and that's where I think people were telling me that they thought I would be a good mafia player.

Sooo in short, JayB being able to explain away his crappy early activity is not a townie point. The fact that he wastes so much effort defending himself and explaining him is a point against him, as per my meta analysis.

On February 08 2014 11:58 suki wrote:
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On February 08 2014 09:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Suki the reasons your case holds no water is because I stated I would be changing my gameplay. You asked me how I would change and I told you. Less advice more scum hunting. And what did I do I scum hunted. It was new information in the thread and whether you don't like my case or not. I said what I was going to do and did it.

Also in regards to my self consciousnesses I almost got mislynched day 1 last game. Don't you think I would look over my game and be kind of hesitant to just play the same. I was thinking about my actions and for good reason. I don't want to get mislynched again.



The only scum hunting I see from you is a refusal to let go of a bad tunnel on Koshi and a policy lynch on a lurker.

What are your thoughts on Jonny? What are your thoughts on Oats and LoneMeow? Who else do you find scummy?

Why aren't you pushing a Koshi lynch because 'he's not on the menu'? As I recall, last game people were mostly on LoneMeow right at the deadline, and a few people hopped off LM and onto you. The vote count was:

LoneMeow (4): Koshi, suki, Balla, jay
Jay (4): Hopeless, Alakaslam, Jonny, LoneMeow
Koshi (1): cakeman

And you decided to unvote LoneMeow and start a push on Koshi. At the very last minute.

I realize that at the time you didn't know what the vote count was and you didn't realize that voting Koshi would get you lynched. However, the point is that even with Koshi not having many votes on him and mixed sentiments across the board about his alignment, you had no problem switching to your most preferred scum target.

This game, there's still about 20 hours to the lynch and you're already like 'nope nothing I can do to convince people Koshi is scum guess I'll just vote slam'.

I really want to hear some good analysis because right now all I see are excuses.

On February 08 2014 12:24 suki wrote:
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On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads?

Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people.


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On February 08 2014 11:06 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 08 2014 10:22 Balla24 wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:57 Aquanim wrote:
@JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him?


To add to this: why does Koshi not "being on the menu" mean you don't want to lynch him?


A few reasons. If people who i think are town don't think Koshi is scum then I can be mistaken and instead of tunneling him I should be trying to create other reads. If there is no support for a lynch then going after it relentlessly and tunneling on him is just detrimental to town.


Consider this a request for you to "continue tunneling' Koshi. LoneMeow and Jonny are unsure of Koshi's alignment, and LoneMeow is townie to you.

What things about Koshi's play recently make you think he's scummy?

On February 08 2014 12:27 suki wrote:
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On February 08 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Suki I gave my reasoning for not going after koshi.I also mentioned jonny before there is no new content from him. I think he could be scum tho. Oats, Lonemeow I think there more likely to be town. I think your a bit scummy. Your early posting with your dismissal of my case just because it was early. You trolling me with things that were simply untrue. You recent posting has been a better.


So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you?

On February 08 2014 12:35 jaybrundage wrote:
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On February 08 2014 12:27 suki wrote:
On February 08 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Suki I gave my reasoning for not going after koshi.I also mentioned jonny before there is no new content from him. I think he could be scum tho. Oats, Lonemeow I think there more likely to be town. I think your a bit scummy. Your early posting with your dismissal of my case just because it was early. You trolling me with things that were simply untrue. You recent posting has been a better.


So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you?

I have no plans to tunnel Koshi you can do it your self if you want. I think Slam Koshi and you are all scummy yes. I think jonny could be scum and I'm null on sidesprang. But its very possible he could be scum. Process of elimination baby

On February 08 2014 12:39 suki wrote:
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JayB said
Koshi is scum but I don't plan on writing a case on him.


How is this pro-town at all?


suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:03 GMT
#612
Hmm..

If you are town Jay I deeply apologize. However I think the only thing that will convince me of that is seeing you bleed green.

All my points against you aside, when I ask you for a scum read I expect a scum read. Not some flaky excuse that you don't want to do it.

I don't see any analysis going on here. Just excuses and OMGUS.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:06 GMT
#613
Aqua, he's admitted his Koshi case is not good and yet he won't re-evaluate.

He thinks I'm scummy but he won't elaborate or try to get people to see why I'm scummy.

He has one case on slam, and everyone else that he found scummy he's waiting on them to contribute more.

He had no problem writing a giant case on Koshi with red letters 2 hours into the game using pre-game quotes, but 31 pages into the game his next greatest contribution is a 2 paragraph post on Slam.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:11 GMT
#614
Anyways I think I'm done here.

I feel bad for pushing on Jay this much but honestly I was expecting a different response.

I'll be back later. I would like everyone to post their thoughts on JayB because if he gets lynched tomorrow it's going to look very stupid to not have taken a stance on him.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:16 GMT
#619
If you're getting lynched it's because you haven't shown your desire to meaningfully contribute to town.

I've given you lots of chances. I've asked you for reads. What am I supposed to think now?

JayB said
BUT if you twist my words again, I WILL get my scumbuddies to shoot you in the night


Go on. Try to get me lynched. I dare you.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:25 GMT
#624
That's not really a case, just more observations.

Um.. If you read through the entire page 31 there's a post where I quote all my relevant posts, and there's more analysis and a summary as well at the bottom of page 31.

Basically page 31 pretty much has all my information on why I'm pushing this Jay lynch.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:31 GMT
#627
Right now my second lynch is Jonny.

I think the points brought up by Balla are quite valid. I found his lack of comment on Jay strange (even before I really started tunneling Jay). He promised a big post on Balla and has not delivered which is really fishy. Points in his favour are that his playstyle hasn't changed dramatically (still one liners, still mostly angry), and a good player once told me that he's never seen a scum player post in the thread when they're drunk.

I think that his activity the next time he comes into the thread is going to make or break my read on him.

If somehow Jay became off-limits for the lynch and I had to choose right now based on my general impressions, I'd vote for Jonny.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:41 GMT
#629
Eh. it wasn't my first case against Jay. I already built a case where I referenced his meta but didn't provide quotes. This meta case with colouring is just the follow-up because Balla requested specific quotes.

Notice that I do bring up when he mentions he's #1 mislynch in his town game. Notice the similarity in the 'joking' manner in which he refers to #1 mislynch in his scum games. I have no intention of misrepresenting Jay through my meta case.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:43 GMT
#631
Does your opinion of me change now that you know it's not my first case against Jay?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:43 GMT
#633
I actually had a town meta read on him in the first game, which is why the difference in this game struck me so strongly.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 08 2014 04:45 GMT
#635
take your time mr. sloth
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