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On February 07 2014 12:31 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Hmm So rereading it. I responded to your vote. Cause it was like a foolishness cameo. I had voted you semi-jokingly before. So I didn't take it seriously. I didn't respond to Koshi's vote because it just seemed like a throwaway/joke vote. Then I posted my thing about him not being excited enough in his first post. Then you posted your thing about me not commentating on them. But I actually had commentated on one of them. Which was yours. But I didn't feel a reason to comment on them indepth because they didn't seem like real votes in the first place from what I thought. Does that make sense? First off you didn't reply to everything I said in there haha, does that make sense what I said? Like I don't want you to misunderstand where I think you are scummy and where you're not. Ah but that wasn't me who said you didn't comment on them, that was Koshi. Interesting. So actually, I think your initial reaction to my vote was super town. I wasn't expecting it to go any further than that after that response until you blew up at Koshi which set off red flags everywhere for me. Turns out, Koshi here is the catalyst for everything. And his antagonizing behavior led to all this. Koshi: i know you're asleep but I want you to answer this so i'm asking it again, what was it that "felt off" about the post we voted jaybrundage for? What didn't I reply on? Yea misread again it was Koshi. I never really responded to Koshi's vote vote tho. Can you quote the post your talking about? Also I am sorry my clone I think i misread you D:
The post you were quoting where I replied to you. It was about how you had the impression that I was calling your push on Koshi scummy. I just want to know if we're clear now and on the same page.
I don't know what you're talking about in regards to responding to koshi's vote vote though haha. I don't care that you didn't reply to his vote post where he called you awkward or whatever. There was no reason to.
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(it's literally in that quote chain btw... starts with "If you are referring to the big case" which was posted as a response to your question in the quote before that LOL)
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On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about.
Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within.
On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".
The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi):
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.
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Oats we're trying to clear shit up, if he's town then I don't want him to be confused about what I was doing or saying, which is what he is now. I'm not pressuring him. Once he understands what I was saying, he can make a better read on me and move on from there. Otherwise he'll just think i'm scum for untrue things.
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On February 07 2014 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:55 Balla24 wrote:
Oats we're trying to clear shit up, if he's town then I don't want him to be confused about what I was doing or saying, which is what he is now. I'm not pressuring him. Once he understands what I was saying, he can make a better read on me and move on from there. Otherwise he'll just think i'm scum for untrue things. So why did you ask the thread to stop?
Because you guys WERE pressuring him. The guy doesn't even have a clear head yet. I'm not pressuring, do you see any questions? All i'm doing is answering his questions about what I was doing and making sure he's clear on what i'm saying. It's a one way road basically.
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Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw?
I'm very weary on him.
On February 07 2014 07:25 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. I appreciate the effort you put into that post man. It's funny but you're trying to force it into being more distracting than Koshi's post last game. What the fuck?
The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it.
He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did.
Moving on:
On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum.
There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff.
On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game.
Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff.
+ Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] +On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote:
Ve's full of shit.
He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now.
##vote visceral eyes
On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 15:13 theDragoon wrote:
@Balla24
About the random accusation thing, a bunch of people started ##voting random people. It's my first time playing this so I'm assuming doing that in the thread that early in the game just seems really random to me when there isn't much information to go on. I assume that by ##voting that they are serious with those accusations, so excuse me if doing that randomly in the thread is something that's very common and isn't meant to be taken 100% serious.
Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation. You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 14:16 Asuna wrote:On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote:
Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP.
I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason. I'm just concise with my answers. I was asked pretty direct and narrowish questions so I gave pretty direct and narrowish answers. Also keeping track of everything in forum mafia is surprisingly different, so hopefully I didn't miss anything I'm supposed to be replying to from the last couple of pages. Basically I've played a bit of mafia, am probably terrible at reading people, but TheChyz does seem a bit fishy for the reasons Day_Walker said. Might be too early to tell though. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.
+ Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] +On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote:Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote:
I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie.
To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do.
MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier.
On February 07 2014 09:13 JonnyLaw wrote:
Koshi went to sleep. Are you reading this thread Balla?
Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^.
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On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now?
Ehh.. not so much still. I think the point still stands. I still would lump the initial vote reaction with the "my vote is real" reaction.
But for now:
##unvote
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On February 07 2014 13:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Balla's thoughts on JonnyLaw:
Your first point I'm not sold on, since the post of yours which he quoted did contain some reference to the probability stuff: "...I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is". Sure, there may have been actual content in your post too, but calling out your continuing usage of your mathematical mumbo-jumbo isn't too bad from him. I don't see how finding one of your later trolly posts to be funny is too inconsistent with that, either.
Jonny indeed has a lot of irrelevant posts, that's true.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at regarding Jonny "picking" at things, could you elaborate on this some more?
As for him not reading the thread, people make mistakes sometimes.
Conclusion: some interesting points raised but nothing which draws me much away from null on jonny.
also weary is not the same thing as wary
The thing is completely ignoring it just because it has a joke about it is silly. Saying it's distracting is also silly, considering it was again, the first scum-hunty post of the game. I find it very inconsistent, but we will agree to disagree here haha.
Jonny LOVES LOVES LOVES to pick at people making excuses for their play. Did you look at the quotes in the spoilers. Those are from his 2 recent town games. He picks at VE for "making excuses already" and goes as far as to vote for it super super super early. In the other game, he picks at 2 different people for making excuses like that. Goes so far as to say he would kill one of them for it.
In his scumgame, he says Mocsta (his scummate) is making excuses, but only says it "could be scummy". Pretty much the same thing he did here in regards to jay "it's scummy but does that make him scum?". This is pretty big to me.
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Reasonable on the first point.
The second, it's not an association case. I'm not saying jaybrundage + jonnylaw are scum. I'm saying jonnylaw is scum on his own.
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On February 07 2014 14:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +The emphasis is on how he is in such a rush to get into super-serious-scum-hunt mode, and how this attitude is making him look bad. How is this scummy in the slightest? The first quote is serious until the end, dunno what exactly makes you confused. The second quote is also questionably humorous but johnny did just post pretty much exactly what jay posted. My definition of contrived is faked. None of the quotes look faked. They look awkward when you say them sure, but they arent fake. Vote for suki2014
Agreed. I remember plenty of times where town jay from last game said things like the second quote too. I'm pretty surprised you don't remember these:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2014 13:15 jaybrundage wrote:THIS GUY EDITED I FOUND THE SCUM On February 04 2014 16:28 jaybrundage wrote:Oats im going to bed its your shift to keep the conversation flowing.  MAKE ME PROUD! On February 05 2014 02:35 jaybrundage wrote:
SUKI GONNA RUSTLE SOME JIMMIES
I like your case seems well thought out and pretty straight forward logic. The first big case of the thread :D On February 05 2014 10:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Fine Jonny ill start playing the game gosh... On February 05 2014 11:53 jaybrundage wrote:
WATCH IT BUDDY I DID ELABORATE
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On February 07 2014 14:55 suki wrote:
Regardless I think Jay's under too much pressure and he needs space to contribute so we can evaluate him when he's not inside a pressure cooker.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8Yh7eD.jpg)
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On February 07 2014 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 15:07 suki wrote:
Oats why isn't your vote on me?
Jay is objectively scummy and I'm happy where my vote is. what. I think you dont understand the meaning of 'objectively' scummy. You havent explained anything about his tryhardness making him scum or why his case was bad, or why his stuff is forced. Like half this shit is subjective. ##VOTE SUKIWAGON OF JUSTICE
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##vote suki
+ Show Spoiler +Getting in the sleeper car and going to sleep. Gotta see where this train goes!
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On February 07 2014 15:18 suki wrote:
My King, for what reason would you turn against your own Queen?
The knot has not yet been tied. It takes not just one eve to plan such a sacred event as matrimony. The evidence you have brought forth has led me and my people (who all are regarded as relatively trustworthy advisers) to believe that you are acting in a manner that is not beneficial to this fine and beautiful kingdom. We will discuss this on the morrow, as I shall retreat to the confines and safety of my chambers ALONE.
In the meantime, if you feel so inclined, could you share your thoughts on our friendly jester Jonnylaw. Is he one of our more loyal fools?
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On February 07 2014 15:18 suki wrote:
My King, for what reason would you turn against your own Queen?
It appears the train has stopped and the conductor stopped driving. It brought me absolutely nowhere. Thanks Wagon Conductor Oatsmaster.
3 reasons here:
1. The train choo choo opportunity was wayyyyy to good to pass up.
2. I didn't really like ANY of the content you were bringing up to that point. Since then, it's been a teeny itsy bit better. Let's go into detail.
At the point of the following quote, we already know your that you think jay is scum, your vote is on him, you hated his case on koshi, too early etc etc, you already know how I felt about that at the time so no need to talk about it:
On February 07 2014 09:26 suki wrote:
I will be honored to be your queen, my King.
However, I find Jay's desire to scum hunt forced and contrived. I can't believe that he's seriously saying that you and Koshi are a scum team. I find his self-consciousness (that you pointed out) to be a scum tell on him because, as per my meta-read in Shadowed mafia, that was one of the features which I found in his scum play.
I don't want to come to any hard conclusions on him yet because his tunnel on Koshi is stupid both as town and scum, and 'tryhard town' does seem like something he would do, however my vote on him is serious.
Here you say you find his "self-consciousness to be a scum tell because of your meta read". Why dost thou not share quotes from his scum play where you have noticed this? It's quite important to proving your point don't you think? You follow by saying you don't want to come to any hard conclusions but your vote is serious. I'm of the opinion that if your vote is serious then you HAVE come to a hard conclusion. That's a matter of semantics, I just think it's weird to say it like that and I would say it differently. I do really like that point though as I said earlier.
Here is your case on sidesprang:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 14:50 suki wrote:I've had a skim through most of the people in this thread and I want to bring people's attention to one person in particular: SidesprangSidesprang is not a high-quantity player. This is true throughout all his games. I noticed something when I was reading his posts while catching up, and this notion became stronger when I reread his filter. With this notion in mind, I then looked up his game history. I found 3 town games and 1 mafia game. Meta analysis in spoiler: + Show Spoiler +Now my point with this case is not to say that sidesprang is totes scum, but rather to point out some observations that I've made that make it seem that he is in a different mindset this game, and that this mindset makes him more likely scum. sidesprang's attitude this game feels different from his town games. He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me.I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply.The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...' In all of his town games he has always referred to other players as 'this guy' and spoke about them in the third person. Not once did he ever directly write an analysis against someone as if he was talking to them. A weak point but just something that caught my eye.- This is admittedly a lot of words to describe a few subtle things. However there was just something different about sidesprang this game, and I wanted to explore it. Now that I have I want to share this information and just keep a closer eye on him. The fact that so much has happened in the thread and sidesprang has only called Jay scummy is something that is different than his previous town games. The fact that he spends a lot of time discussing my meta feels like he's playing this game with a different mindset, one that's not so focused on scum hunting and more focused on looking like he's contributing. In fact, in the previous three town games that I skimmed I didn't see one instance of him defending a player. All his efforts were on scum hunting. So. Conclusion: Sidesprang is scummy because his approach to this game is different, which can be seen as scummy for the reasons expressed above. We should keep a close eye on him and see how he chooses to continue the game.
Again, the first thing that stands out to me is that there are no quotes at all in here. In a meta case like this it's impossible to see your point without quotes. The bolded are things that I believe to be completely false. Either because I don't see it in this game, you have your facts wrong or I don't see it in his previous games.
I don't believe his discussion of your meta was defending you at all. Rather, I see it more as bringing new relevant information to the thread. He has that knowledge because he's played with you, he believes that meta argument on you to be false. I thought the same thing. Plus, I find it really hard to believe that he has not defended anybody in any of his town games, but looking through I can see what you're saying. However, if I were him that's 100% something I would want to change. Developing and defending your town reads is an important facet to a town player.
On February 08 2014 01:32 suki wrote:
What do people think about lynching slam or LoneMeow for pulling the same 24 hour disappearance trick that Hopeless did in the previous game?
I know that slam can check the game from his phone and has no qualms about posting from his phone. This behaviour is not typical of either of them.
I am absolutely 100% down to lynch slam. Not LoneMeow, because he has already displayed huge tendencies to do this in the last game. I'm very surprised that slam has not posted a single thing and is not doing any shenanigans at all, it's quite unlike him.
I do believe that it is waaaaaaaay harder to enter a crazy thread like this as scum compared to as town, so we shall see what they both do when they enter the thread.
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EBWOP: supposed to say 2 reasons...
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All you gotta do is spoiler it~ just look at my jonny post for an example.
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On February 08 2014 02:29 jaybrundage wrote:
@Balla Slam kind of slipped my mind but your right about him not posting is weird. But I wouldn't say lonemeow wasn't posting yesterday. He seemed to have some posts in the thread at least.
Yep and that's totally understandable. My point is is that I wouldn't lynch lonemeow because he has displayed super lurker tendencies already. I'd lynch slam regardless of his return to the thread unless it's amazing because I think it is very against his meta. Though it's not as strong as hopeless last game because I don't have a scum game where he does it.
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On February 08 2014 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:At a skim, he goes from JayB->JonnyLaw->me->Suki->sidesprang. Can't sit still, pursuing everything he sees for the most part. He completely glances over JonnyLaw and me, but volunteered reads/reasons for the other 3. I think he's town.
This is a really easily given townread here hopeless. Why does him jumping around make him more likely to be town then scum? I think I know what you're getting at but i'd like to see if it matches.
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On February 08 2014 03:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
if its so easy to give then why do you know what I'm getting at balla? Either I'm full of shit or you think I can be trusted.
Exactly this. Either you are full of shit or you have good reasoning behind it and it makes you more townie. This response makes me think you are full of shit and it was just a random town read though, because it's super easy to explain what I think you are getting at.
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