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On February 07 2014 09:19 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong. That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game?
Noooo Im pretty sure I remember it right. I am just lacking for time right now.
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Oh and im talking about your first post on me being scummy. Sorry if i was unclear.
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On February 07 2014 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D was koshi scum before or after his super serious vote on you jay?
His vote didn't play any part in my read. This post is what set me off. Then looking him over his first post didn't make sense from a town perspective either.
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On February 07 2014 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. How is Balla's first post indicative of alignment?
No its a null tell. It was all fluff tho. I expected more from balla tbh so maybe that's why I was a bit more critical of his first post.
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On February 07 2014 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:28 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. How is Balla's first post indicative of alignment? No its a null tell. It was all fluff tho. I expected more from balla tbh so maybe that's why I was a bit more critical of his first post. what? It was written before he got his role pm. How does posting that mean he is scummier???
It doesn't it was a null tell. I think my negative reaction came from me expected something i don't know more from him.
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On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment?
It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy.
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On February 07 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:26 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D was koshi scum before or after his super serious vote on you jay? His vote didn't play any part in my read. This post is what set me off. Then looking him over his first post didn't make sense from a town perspective either. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. You say This post set you off Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. but you'd already voted koshi for not being happy Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:44 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. Koshi would be way more happy if he got a alignment pm that was town. I don't see it. ##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
Oh your right. Sorry. I posted alot of things today. I guess I got mixed up
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I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough.
If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons.
Pretty frustrating.
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On February 07 2014 11:42 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment? It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy. What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town?
The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy.
However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree.
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On February 07 2014 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
n1 mislynch NA jay?
Numba 1 Mislynch NA xD
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On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens.
Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true.
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On February 07 2014 11:56 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. Can you specify exactly which of the things you said you think are completely true?
No, all the things I was thinking at that time are what I believed to be true. Plus I don't wanna tunnel in on Koshi. I need to get some perspective.
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On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense?
Hmm So rereading it. I responded to your vote. Cause it was like a foolishness cameo. I had voted you semi-jokingly before. So I didn't take it seriously. I didn't respond to Koshi's vote because it just seemed like a throwaway/joke vote. Then I posted my thing about him not being excited enough in his first post.
Then you posted your thing about me not commentating on them. But I actually had commentated on one of them. Which was yours. But I didn't feel a reason to comment on them indepth because they didn't seem like real votes in the first place from what I thought.
Does that make sense?
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On February 07 2014 12:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
n1 mislynch NA jay? Numba 1 Mislynch NA xD Totally being a dick here, but I call shenanigans: + Show Spoiler [jaybrundage] +maybe there are missing games, but that shows 7 lynches, 3 as scum, 4 as town.
Well the plan is too out grow the title eventually 
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On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any?
Yea I didn't like her play so much as I mentioned in my response to her earlier. I hesitated on calling her scum tho lol. I had already been pretty ambitious with calling people scum this game.
I found it odd that she ignored my correction of her post where she is trolling me. But is completely wrong on it because she mixed up which post came first. I would of expected an opps or oh my thing. But she didn't even comment on it. That just seemed odd to me. As suki is usually first to make amends when she makes a mistake.
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On February 07 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Hmm So rereading it. I responded to your vote. Cause it was like a foolishness cameo. I had voted you semi-jokingly before. So I didn't take it seriously. I didn't respond to Koshi's vote because it just seemed like a throwaway/joke vote. Then I posted my thing about him not being excited enough in his first post. Then you posted your thing about me not commentating on them. But I actually had commentated on one of them. Which was yours. But I didn't feel a reason to comment on them indepth because they didn't seem like real votes in the first place from what I thought. Does that make sense? First off you didn't reply to everything I said in there haha, does that make sense what I said? Like I don't want you to misunderstand where I think you are scummy and where you're not. Ah but that wasn't me who said you didn't comment on them, that was Koshi. Interesting. So actually, I think your initial reaction to my vote was super town. I wasn't expecting it to go any further than that after that response until you blew up at Koshi which set off red flags everywhere for me. Turns out, Koshi here is the catalyst for everything. And his antagonizing behavior led to all this. Koshi: i know you're asleep but I want you to answer this so i'm asking it again, what was it that "felt off" about the post we voted jaybrundage for?
What didn't I reply on?
Yea misread again it was Koshi. I never really responded to Koshi's vote vote tho. Can you quote the post your talking about? Also I am sorry my clone I think i misread you D:
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On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense?
Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about.
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On February 07 2014 12:42 Hopeless1der wrote:Basic thought progression for Jay's case on "sad Koshi"+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 08:56 Aquanim wrote:
hihi
@jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes.
However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm.
Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game? ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/f7a85886da615525771512d64d02a6ca/tumblr_mon7i5SBCx1r3jsrko1_500.jpg)
While I do like homer and the simpons in general. The image and my thought process having nothing in common. Don't misrepresent what I say please. You did this multiple times as scum last game.
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Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy.
Ok so let me go thru my reasoning.
So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum.
At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it.
Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real.
On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about. Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi): + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.
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On February 07 2014 13:16 Aquanim wrote:
@jayb: Do you think it's impossible or unlikely that a town Koshi would have a gut read on you which he is unwilling or unable to state more precisely than that he thinks you feel "off"?
I know in previous games I've had gut reads on people's posts where I had difficulty saying exactly what I didn't like about them, but was certain there was something weird.
When jonny asked him about the point of his post on me. Koshi said it was for a reaction. Well he got quite the reaction but he has yet to do anything in regards to processing the information and reaching a conclusion.
He could be town. I have been wrong before.
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