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On February 07 2014 09:03 Balla24 wrote:
Got it, so you changed your mind and agree with me? ^_^
Also, jay, I don't want to tunnel you any longer but please, if you are going to accuse me of not reading your posts then at least read mine fully. I get the impression that you didn't even read what I wrote about you at the start of this whole mess.
I agree that Jay's being way defensive. Koshi's still scummy. The rest of the game should be off work/class soon. I want to hear from them.
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On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:
His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well.
On February 07 2014 08:08 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish?
Bahhhh bahhhhh.
Anyways it's kind of mean for me to troll you. But the hole you're digging yourself in is going straight to china at this rate. Maybe take a break because this Balla+Koshi chainsaw defense scum theory is not doing you any favours.
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Ok Ill go back to your first post and explain how I think its scummy.
On February 07 2014 09:03 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:00 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 08:59 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:54 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. 1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary. 2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything. You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not. After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy.I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing. That's the most important part of your post. Anyone who calls jay scum must be scum. Easy defense. Jay looks scummy. So does Koshi. Honestly you've done nothing to show otherwise either. I don't understand what you're saying, sorry. The bold says "anyone who calls jay scum must be scum?". I'm not seeing the flow here, could you re-state or something? Jay instantly attacks his attacker. Got it, so you changed your mind and agree with me? ^_^ Also, jay, I don't want to tunnel you any longer but please, if you are going to accuse me of not reading your posts then at least read mine fully. I get the impression that you didn't even read what I wrote about you at the start of this whole mess. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:59 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. You should catch up on the thread. This post is already outdated.
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On February 07 2014 09:03 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:57 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:48 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. 1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary. 2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything. You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not. After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy. I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing. These are contradictions. I am not attacking him. I even called him my scum friend. I did ask what feels off. Your wrong here. This last bit is a contradiction again. I am thinking real hard about what Koshi is doing. That's why I analyzed it and wrote a case up about it. My conclusion is that he is scum. Why are you chainsaw defending Koshi instead of reading up on my post and seeing if I have any valid thoughts in it. What makes you so convinced that Koshi is town, that you are hard defending him so much? You're not attacking him? Really? You did not ask what feels off, please quote. I'd be happy to be wrong about it, but I just skimmed that section. I'm not talking about your case on Koshi, that's ok I guess, it's pretty silly to use pre-game stuff at all but that's fine since at least it's somewhat relevant. I don't like that the whole thing is built on the fact that he would be "happier" though. I'm not defending koshi at all, where do you get that? I don't like your case on him, that doesn't mean i'm defending him. Chainsaw defense though? I'm the one who brought up real points about this whole situation in the first place. Just because you reacted to him instead of me doesn't make this a chainsaw defense. I think Koshi is town atm though, yes. Same thing as last game, he's thinking like me just like you were thinking like me. He saw what I saw. We shall see if this continues. Please can you give me a case on why you have a town read on Koshi. Explain it. If you can explain your thinking then maybe I can see it from your perspective and my read on Koshi can change. I do think both of you are scum. However I do not plan on becoming tunneled on it and exclude all other reasonings (cough cough jonny last game  ) Also you are defending Koshi... Hard. I can go back and point it out. However I am not going to waste my time go read your own filter and look at it and see if you can find any posts that can be construed as you defending Koshi.
I'm not going to post a "case", it's a feeling. It's not like I read his filter and say wow this guy is town. It's based on how the thread was moving. I can give you examples of what makes me feel good about him though if that's what you want.
On February 07 2014 07:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
That post is worse than Koshi's opening post. how bored were you waiting for this game to start?
Fuck man, I was happy last game thinking you were prob town. You're making me go back to my roots here. Jonny. Come on. It was a joke post. No need to exaggerate. Heads up for you: When I am town, I post like a fucking madman. You are allowed to stop me if it is too much. Because I think you are special. Instead you are never allowed to call me scum. Deal?
Taking responsibility for his actions later on. If he doesn't post like a madman, we lynch him.
On February 07 2014 08:24 Koshi wrote:
The kid with the lollipop is when I roll scum.
It goes like this:
I see scum PM, I am very angry --> I pretend to be really happy in the thread.
But this game it went like this:
I AM FUCKING TOWN HELL FUCKING YEAH --> I don't have to pretend shit and I simply scumhunt.
Currently I am looking at Jonny and JayB.
Why am I not looking at Balla atm? Because isn't it more likely Balla is scum and I am being blindfolded?
Good question but no!
Balla posts about current topics, his posts influence how I think and are well thought out and he posts carefree and townylike. I just like everything about him.
And I really dislike you 2 atm. JayB is shaking in his boots and Jonny you just left the thread as soon as JayB got attention.
##unvote
##vote: JonnyLaw
Let it be known.
This is essentially what I was thinking about you two as well, + points for him.
Things I don't like:
- I don't like how antagonistic he's being towards you.
- I don't like how he never explains what "feels off" about you. Koshi, please explain, what felt off?
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Koshi went to sleep. Are you reading this thread Balla?
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I'm out. I'll be back in a couple hours. Hopefully the lurkers have shown themselves.
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Are you? JB asked me to do that.
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Suki your really disappointing me this game. I posted my analysis first. Look at the time stamps. Your are so busy trying to troll me instead of reading up on my posts. Whats going on with you?
You say I'm digging a hole for my self. By doing what scum hunting? Maybe take a break from trolling me and start playing the game. I don't want to come off mean but come on......
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D
On February 07 2014 08:08JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish?
On February 07 2014 09:08 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:
His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:08 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish? Bahhhh bahhhhh. Anyways it's kind of mean for me to troll you. But the hole you're digging yourself in is going straight to china at this rate. Maybe take a break because this Balla+Koshi chainsaw defense scum theory is not doing you any favours.
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Suki if I take you to be my Queen will you stop trolling and calling people sheeps even though you are relatively sheepy yourself?
If so then you may be my Queen.
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Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong.
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On February 07 2014 09:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong.
That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game?
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On February 07 2014 09:19 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong. That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game?
Noooo Im pretty sure I remember it right. I am just lacking for time right now.
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Oh and im talking about your first post on me being scummy. Sorry if i was unclear.
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On February 07 2014 09:07 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:04 Aquanim wrote:On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 08:56 Aquanim wrote:
hihi
@jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes.
However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm.
Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game? His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. That's not really what I asked. I wanted to know whether there are any other posts, or patterns in posts, or anything about Koshi which makes you think that he's not excited to be playing this game - since your justification for that view seems a little shallow so far to me. What I posted in my big case. Is what I feel was relevant in the part of Koshi not being excited enough. So yes that's it. That's not the only thing that makes him scummy though. Look at how he has no real read on me. Even tho he voted me and I'm pressuring the shit out of him. He never stated whether he thought i was scum or town. Similar to last game and how Oats was pressuring him early on. And he never really was concrete on any read on Oats. What do you think of Ball and Koshi atm?
Balla
- first post and vote for me obviously a pre-game concoction, duly ignored
- pressure on jayb and others seems reasonable enough, he's not being shy about his opinions.
Koshi
- gut says town just based on the attitude he's displayed so far, but I hope to see more content
I can kind of see why they both voted for you (jay) here - like, I don't think that post inherently makes you scum, but I can understand how their knee-jerk reaction was to vote you for it. Bland, self-deprecating and non-scum-hunting-related posts often draw knee-jerk reactions like that.
tl;dr leaning town on balla, closer to null on koshi
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I will be honored to be your queen, my King.
However, I find Jay's desire to scum hunt forced and contrived. I can't believe that he's seriously saying that you and Koshi are a scum team. I find his self-consciousness (that you pointed out) to be a scum tell on him because, as per my meta-read in Shadowed mafia, that was one of the features which I found in his scum play.
I don't want to come to any hard conclusions on him yet because his tunnel on Koshi is stupid both as town and scum, and 'tryhard town' does seem like something he would do, however my vote on him is serious.
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On February 07 2014 09:22 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:19 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 09:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong. That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game? Noooo Im pretty sure I remember it right. I am just lacking for time right now.
Let me remind you how this all went down:
1. I vote you without explaining
2. Koshi votes you without explaining seconds later.
3. You say our votes aren't real.
4. I immediately say, "oh but aren't they" (paraphrased from memory)
5. Koshi follows up seconds later with "my vote is real, you feel off" (paraphrased from memory)
6. You go ham on Koshi for saying "you feel off"'
7. Koshi antagonizes you a lot
8. I explain why my vote was real and why I was voting.
9. You say I should catch up with the thread because what I wrote is outdated (even though it wasn't at all)
10. I reply and say why I think the way you did 6 was scummy, and then how wrong you are on 9.
and the rest is history.
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I shall accept "My Lady", or "Her Majesty" as acceptable methods to refer to my royal self.
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On February 07 2014 09:26 suki wrote:
I will be honored to be your queen, my King.
However, I find Jay's desire to scum hunt forced and contrived. I can't believe that he's seriously saying that you and Koshi are a scum team. I find his self-consciousness (that you pointed out) to be a scum tell on him because, as per my meta-read in Shadowed mafia, that was one of the features which I found in his scum play.
I don't want to come to any hard conclusions on him yet because his tunnel on Koshi is stupid both as town and scum, and 'tryhard town' does seem like something he would do, however my vote on him is serious.
Then you my queen you shall be.
I like your point that the tunnel on Koshi is stupid as both town and scum. I don't see this huge tunnel on us from a scum player. This is a very very good point indeed.
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@suki: What is your read on jayB and koshi, in the light of their little contretemps?
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never mind, looks like you answered that question already. my bad
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