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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
February 06 2014 23:29 GMT
#201
Case on Koshi



Ok First things first. Artanis posts how everyone is getting different alignments. Which is poorly phased but what he means is that everyone is getting rerolled in regards to their alignment.
On February 06 2014 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 08:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also like a premium SSS tier coach if we are short on coaches, but I can't coach scum like at all just fyi

So is everyone keeping the same alignments as Shadowed I or are we changing things up

Everyone'll get different alignments but keep their current coaches.


Koshi who made it very clear that he doesn't not enjoy playing scum. Read the scum QT for reference link, and I think he expressed the sentiment in the old thread as well. Was joking around and talking about how hes confirmed scum next game. Notice the excitement expressed by the all caps. He would really like to be town in the reboot.
On February 06 2014 08:58 Koshi wrote:
YES CONFIRMED TOWN


Toad points out that it would be a 3 town 8 mafia set up. If everyone is getting different alignments. A joke based on Artanis's poor wording choice. (Everyone's getting different alignments)
On February 06 2014 08:58 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 08:58 Koshi wrote:
YES CONFIRMED TOWN

have fun playing in a 3 town, 8 mafia set-up


Koshi explains (jokingly) that he would be fine with a 3 town 8 scum set up. In his words "everything over rolling scum. Everything." This man seriously does not want to roll scum.
On February 06 2014 09:00 Koshi wrote:
everything over rolling scum. Everything.


I make a joke that seeing Koshi's reaction if he rerolled scum would be hilarious. Here is a reenactment of Koshi after he finds out he rolled scum. link
On February 06 2014 09:02 jaybrundage wrote:
I just think we should set up a webcam to see koshi's face if he rerolls scum


Koshi expresses that he would be pissed if he rolled scum. This man reallllllllly doesn't want to roll scum. So I would expect an exuberant post from him elated that he isn't scum.
On February 06 2014 09:03 Koshi wrote:
I will be quite angry.


However this isn't the Koshi I see. There is nothing here happy or excited. Compare his post about thinking about rolling town. And his first post where he WOULD of had just posted about rolling town. There is nothing to compare because they are so vastly different. Koshi's first post in the game has scum written all over it. He isn't happy or excited about his role. He would of shown it.
On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.

Balla let's get a town circle going.


On February 06 2014 08:58 Koshi wrote:
YES CONFIRMED TOWN




So with that conclusion

##Vote koshi
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2014 23:30 GMT
#202
Ok the first 3 quotes are about pregame. oh boi boi boi.

Do I even continue to read 0o
I had a good night of sleep.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
February 06 2014 23:32 GMT
#203
On February 07 2014 08:30 Koshi wrote:
Ok the first 3 quotes are about pregame. oh boi boi boi.

Do I even continue to read 0o

They are completely relevant. But don't worry this case isn't here to convince you that your mafia. You already know that.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2014 23:33 GMT
#204
Ok. It literally is about my first post not being happy enough.
I have no kind words about that case.

The good news is that I will have to go to bed after a good laugh.
Reading other people their opinion tomorrow will be interesting.
I had a good night of sleep.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 06 2014 23:33 GMT
#205
On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not?

Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1.

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?

@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is.

That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.




Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town.

The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum?

On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it.

Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".


I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 06 2014 23:33 GMT
#206
Votecount:

Balla24 ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Jaybrundage ( 1 ) : Balla24, Koshi
JonnyLaw ( 1 ) : Koshi
Koshi ( 1 ) : jaybrundage
Suki ( 0 ) : Suki,
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24,


7 people who haven't voted yet: Aquanim, Alakaslam, Sidesprang, LoneMeoW, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, JonnyLaW

With 1 votes Koshi is set to be lynched
Deadline on Saturday, Feb 08 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)


Yes I am aiming for a large filter as co-host :3
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#207
On February 07 2014 08:32 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:30 Koshi wrote:
Ok the first 3 quotes are about pregame. oh boi boi boi.

Do I even continue to read 0o

They are completely relevant. But don't worry this case isn't here to convince you that your mafia. You already know that.

jay my man. You have unleashed the beast.
I had a good night of sleep.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
February 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#208
Yea I'm REALLLLLLY confident that both Balla and Koshi are scum. Bleh writing a bunch of stuff on balla would be alot of work tho. And we can sadly only lynch one today. Maybe a vig can shoot balla hmmmm?
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2014 23:36 GMT
#209
On February 07 2014 08:34 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I'm REALLLLLLY confident that both Balla and Koshi are scum. Bleh writing a bunch of stuff on balla would be alot of work tho. And we can sadly only lynch one today. Maybe a vig can shoot balla hmmmm?

Are you for real? Really?

This just can't end well. Either you are town and I will get a bunch of dumb post to read when I wake up. Or you are scum and you will be in a world of pain.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2014 23:37 GMT
#210
You do realize I will be having a 40 page filter if you continue to push this read? It won't be pretty.

Take a step back jay.

We need fresh eyes.
I had a good night of sleep.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 06 2014 23:38 GMT
#211
On February 07 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:34 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I'm REALLLLLLY confident that both Balla and Koshi are scum. Bleh writing a bunch of stuff on balla would be alot of work tho. And we can sadly only lynch one today. Maybe a vig can shoot balla hmmmm?

Are you for real? Really?

This just can't end well. Either you are town and I will get a bunch of dumb post to read when I wake up. Or you are scum and you will be in a world of pain.



You're obsessed with filter size aren't you? What's breaking down Koshi? I'm seeing a trend.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 06 2014 23:38 GMT
#212
Wow, I misquoted.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2014 23:40 GMT
#213
On February 07 2014 08:38 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote:
On February 07 2014 08:34 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I'm REALLLLLLY confident that both Balla and Koshi are scum. Bleh writing a bunch of stuff on balla would be alot of work tho. And we can sadly only lynch one today. Maybe a vig can shoot balla hmmmm?

Are you for real? Really?

This just can't end well. Either you are town and I will get a bunch of dumb post to read when I wake up. Or you are scum and you will be in a world of pain.

You're obsessed with filter size aren't you? What's breaking down Koshi? I'm seeing a trend.

Fresh eyes my friend. We need those 6 others to come here and say what's up.

This game will be fun. You will see.
I had a good night of sleep.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 06 2014 23:41 GMT
#214
On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not?

Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1.

On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?

@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is.

That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.




Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town.

The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum?

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it.

Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".


I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game.


1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary.
2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything.

You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not.

After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy.

I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing.

jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
February 06 2014 23:48 GMT
#215
On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not?

Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1.

On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?

@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is.

That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.




Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town.

The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum?

On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it.

Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".


I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game.


1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary.
2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything.

You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not.

After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy.

I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing.


These are contradictions. I am not attacking him. I even called him my scum friend. I did ask what feels off. Your wrong here.

This last bit is a contradiction again. I am thinking real hard about what Koshi is doing. That's why I analyzed it and wrote a case up about it. My conclusion is that he is scum. Why are you chainsaw defending Koshi instead of reading up on my post and seeing if I have any valid thoughts in it.

What makes you so convinced that Koshi is town, that you are hard defending him so much?
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
February 06 2014 23:49 GMT
#216
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage


What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.

Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
February 06 2014 23:50 GMT
#217
On February 07 2014 07:11 sidesprang wrote:
No, i've not played with him before. He said in his last game that he never had rolled scum I think. So will be hard to use meta on him I guess. Unless his game greatly differs from his previous ones.


Sidesprang where did you go? Stuff started happening 5 minutes after this post and you have no opinions?
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
February 06 2014 23:51 GMT
#218
Ok Town I suggest that you read up on Balla and Koshi. Look at there posts and think if it makes more sense that they are town, or if it makes more sense for them to both be scum. I would like to narrow the lynch between these two candidates.

Thank you for your time. I wanna leave soon but might wait around a bit to see if anything juicy pops up.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-07 00:09:06
February 06 2014 23:52 GMT
#219
Votecount:

Jaybrundage ( 2 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki
JonnyLaw ( 1 ) : Koshi, suki,
Koshi ( 1 ) : jaybrundage
Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24,

7 people who haven't voted yet: Aquanim, Alakaslam, Sidesprang, LoneMeoW, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, JonnyLaW

With 2 votes Jaybrundage is set to be lynched
Deadline on Saturday, Feb 08 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 06 2014 23:54 GMT
#220
On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not?

Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1.

On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?

@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is.

That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.




Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town.

The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum?

On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it.

Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".


I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game.


1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary.
2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything.

You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not.

After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy.

I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing.



That's the most important part of your post. Anyone who calls jay scum must be scum. Easy defense. Jay looks scummy. So does Koshi.

Honestly you've done nothing to show otherwise either.
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