We'll see how vengeful goes and how quickly this fills up but I'd play.
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We'll see how vengeful goes and how quickly this fills up but I'd play. | ||
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Can't decide which I want to do. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:41 marvellosity wrote: /in faith restored Should have totally voted you for drama queen 2013. <3 | ||
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Probably won't stop me from being a dumbass and playing mafia anyway but yeah | ||
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On February 08 2014 07:43 iamperfection wrote: If I get home early enough we will start tonight. Just to keep you on your toes Fuck early enough Start whenever | ||
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I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along. Now, time to gather some feels. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:13 geript wrote: ##vote Vayne authority Both unreadable and an empty seat. Slam looks pretty sketch as well. wtf? How is Vayne unreadable? At the very least I admit that SOME people apparently can read Slam. Shhhh | ||
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And sorry luv muffin. And again, VA is not unreadable. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:40 Corazon wrote: I'm curious as to why Slam threw a troll vote on me and then ran off. Do you guys think this is part of Slam's personality or a way to get him off the hook for inactivity early in the game? (I'm asking this because while I have a rough idea of Slam's playstyle, I don't know if these troll votes are what he does). Phoneposting Catching this strikes me---wtf 'off the hook' like an hour into the game? And then VE being all smiley about it---VE why did YOU let Cora off the hook for this especially considering how easily he backed down from an obviously dumb comment Something about this interaction man | ||
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On February 08 2014 15:23 Oatsmaster wrote: sorry bro, just got home and ate lunch. You gonna be serious now? Oats seems concerned about Geripts vote on him but at the same time he's right that geripts play doesn't seem to be serious? Trolly and yet interspersed with real (but not good) play Dunno Risen totes town though Feels | ||
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Geript looking better on this page but I don't understand all this policy shit that stemmed from Rayn (who kinda fucked off a little after introducing it and a couple questions---also marv buddying ugh) Yeah wait so we're not supposed to talk townreads next phase? I think I understand the rationale maybe but is it because scum can just force us to lynch a townie during noms no matter what? Dunno if I get it fully. More importantly rayn/yamato are on the same page and geript is vehemently against it calling it scummy. Yamato drops the discussion basically---which is weird because I want to know exactly what about he finds scummy (or others find towny for that matter) Dunno mebbe just me being dumb for a change but I don't follow the strategy well | ||
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On February 08 2014 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there is no point in your last post. Someone might look scummy but you don't really know if they do or not.. What?? I never said anyone looks scummy in my last post. Don't overanalyze it why? | ||
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Then your entrance introduced policy which actually interests me but the buddying withh marv looks bad to me As far as policy itself I don't follow the strategy so I want clarification And I found it interesting that you and yamato find it towny but geript is completely opposed to it, but since I don't understand the strategy behind it I can't really determine what a dichotomy like that indicates If you're looking for conclusions on alignment then I'm sorry to disappooint you <12h into D1. Not enough feels yet | ||
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I agree that's dumb. But if you think it was dumb why not pursue it at the time with geript then? And as far as you/marv yes his appearance was meh; but I assumed buddying based on your earlier interaction with him. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like how does town benefit from knowing you think Risen is town? See this is what I mean. Is this a strategy thing this game that I shouldn't be giving out townreads period? I thought you were gonna be supportive of feels Rayn | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we pretend this is a nomination phase and let's say you are town here's what we got: Mafia knows you think Risen is town. Mafia probably also knows who you think is mafia if you have contributed enough. IF they wanna plan their nominations based on what people think about other people (why would they not?) it's easier if you can "rank" the players based on their towniness and make an educated guess on who is gonna get lynched if you nominate X, Y and Z. You would probably not vote for Risen in this scenario. So if Risen is town and put up for lynch candidate you will probably be voting for one of the two other guys. So, if mafia wants to put one scum out there, they already have information that your vote is gonna be at best for them 50/50 (assuming they wanna put Risen up for some reason). Now that's what mafia gains. What does town gain? That we know you think Risen is town "because of feels". Does that help? Is he up for lynch? Do you feel like he is getting mislynched now and that he needs your help because otherwise we lynch town? Well its not like anyone believes feels to be valid enough to consider anyway but I see your point. Townread was before I read the strategy talk so oops I guess. So as far as VE/Cora do you think scum-scum interaction then? Is on escummier than another? | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: And by "posted" i mean from the people who have actually said something intelligent. Well aside from one obvious case, are there others who fit in the category of not having said anything intelligent (not counting those who haven't participated). | ||
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Coras answer is that he doesn't know, not shutting down Oats, and his question to geript is more along the lines of 'stop fucking around.' If you think cora is fucking around then maybe its the same thing. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam, Holyflare. Dunno what to think about marv yet and Oats' being lurkish (he posted in the LXIV thread) is weird. Yeah slam is who I was referring to. HF I assume will show up w/strength at some point and same with marv in their own ways. Oats has actually posted a fair amount in thread thus far; do you mean that he chose to post in LXIV more recently than here as if he feels his 'contribution to thread so far is enough'? | ||
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Rayn will you be around in a few hrs? | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Cora is saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff. He brings up this weird "discussion about geript" which i have no idea where he is referring to in the first place. Then he he asks geript when he is gonna start scumhunting. But what i read at that point was geript being the most pro-active person in thread. What you call proactive I'd call 'forced' at that point in the game K bbl | ||
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On February 09 2014 01:47 Corazon wrote: Geript's vote for VA and the discussion that followed. When did I say I thought that discussion was important? I just said that I didn't comment on it because I thought it was Geript being Geript. What exactly are you referring to do when you say 'geript being geript?' I don't know I'd go so far as to say he was 'shitting up the thread,' but it was him I was referring to when I said his early efforts seemed 'forced,' not you. Cora, I have a problem. See, you share ideas that I somewhat agree with in that I believe something is 'up' with geript, and this On February 09 2014 04:18 Risen wrote: Reasoning? though, I suppose and obvious question isn't exactly alignment indicative when we're both thinking it, (btw Koshi I am VERY interested in this particular question) but this post. I hate it. On February 09 2014 02:02 Corazon wrote: I know this going to sound like a cop-out, but I don't have any scumreads right now. (This thought line only works for me) I know that because I am VT, people attacking me either have to be wrong or scum. Rayn- I think your attack of me hinges on the interpretation that Geript's play was pro-active rather than shitting up the thread. It's not scummy if you disagree with me. WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to. Yamato- This: Is just blatantly wrong. He calls me out without saying that my play has been useless/I'm shitting up the thread. He doesn't want to make these specific statements that I can easily disprove. My post to Geript was basically saying "When are you going to stop shitting up the thread" and he basically stated that I was shitting up the thread too, which is a complete lie. My behavior ≠ Geript's behavior, and it's pretty bad for Yamato to try and link them together. That is most of my thoughts on the game. I haven't seen too many egregious posts which also makes me think that we have another huge lurker scum team. But it's just a feeling. On one hand it seems like the kind of stuff I'd say as town, (ie drawing attention to yourself by saying having no scum-reads might be a cop-out, being all apologetic) but then why does this only apply to you? Cora what is your D1 play normally like? But the it looks like you're drawing distinctions where you feel like drawing them. Like it looks like you're afraid of Rayn (or maybe me lol) and throwing suspicion at yamato when Rayn literally said it was yamato's post that made him think you were scummy in the first place! Also you're saying the scumteam is hugely lurky IS a cop-out. Do you think everyone who has posted so far is town? Is yamato scum for saying what he did? | ||
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On February 09 2014 03:51 Risen wrote: "WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to." I disagree here on your point that wos is putting in too much earlier on you/VE. Before you made this post I was going to come into thread and ask if we could lynch you or VE. WoS having similar reads to me and saying them in thread doesn't man he's trying hard. It just means I'm more likely to be right. And yeah this too. First of all I don't make pre-flip association cases, ESPECIALLY after Shadow game. My asking about Cora/VE interaction was simply to extend 'feelers' because the interaction looked fishy to me in some way and I wanted to know what other people thought. And it's never too much effort for scum to do anything, really---what I did in no way required a lot of effort anyway and I'm not sure why what I did is town-indicative. It just looks like you're looking for reasons to differentiate me/rayn from yamato in that post. Risen can I ask you the question you were about to ask? Would you lynch Cora or VE? If so, which one and why? | ||
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Where you at? Oh and another one I guess: Rayn, your thoughts on the Oats vote directly after you semi-called him out? He did a similar thing to Geript earlier when he was called 'not dickish enough.' | ||
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Not a whole lot of anything has gone on so far so if you're simply content for status quo to continue by all means. | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:35 Palmar wrote: I'm btw assuming you assholes are all better than me at this by now. Any relevant thoughts? Ohai VE, can we let's have talk plz? VE, why was Cora's answer here On February 08 2014 12:25 Corazon wrote: Alright, I will give it a break. I just thought the conversation about Geript was going nowhere, so I wanted to throw it out there. @Oats: 4 people in this game are scum. When I figure out who is scum, I'll let you know babycakes acceptable to you? It looks as though this was you letting HIM 'off the hook' considering how quickly he dropped it after a smile from you. And considering Cora's posting in the game so far, you categorize him as 'lazy' townie? He doesn't look lazy to me. | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:46 geript wrote: I'm here wubbybumpkins... explain this one to me. Apparently I'm not supposed to have townreads (unless you disagree with Rayn's explanation to me)? Even then, feels require no explanation. They come from the heart. I have some stuff for you though, did your frenetic posting earlier on in the game have a specific point to it? And your vote on Oats atm? If you actually think Oats is scum what do you make of his vote on Rayn? | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote: I'm about half way through the game. While I'm reading and since a few people seem to be around, I'd like to ask anyone that thinks he's posted well enough for him to think that others should have a strong townread on him, to step up and claim it. ie: if you think you're obvious town, please say you are obvious town. And please don't troll this questions, only say you are if you genuinely think your posting so far in the game should allow for an easy townread on you. This is an intriguing question, but do you find it all at odds with the idea that we should not be giving out townreads in this game? As for myself nobody ever thinks I'm obvtown D1, but I will be D2. Geript: his gore? Risen: I'd personally like Cora to return to see how he responds to my more recent posts about him. I'm mostly ok with VE atm, but waiting on answers from him as well. | ||
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Feels gathered. Phonepostibg but I'll be back in a few hours | ||
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On February 09 2014 08:10 marvellosity wrote: Also Koshi, talk to me about your VA read properly please. Because I may have been thinking similar things but I want to know if my similar things are actually your similar things or not. Is a mind meld still one if it happens hours later Problem is from that horrible explanation he gave so far I don't they are similar things to what I was thinking, and I have strong scumfeels on Koshi right now On February 09 2014 07:14 Koshi wrote: That is true. Town that wants to kill me when I am scum also die. PS Koshi I don't respond to threats---nor do I understand why threatening town makes sense AS town Using the 'people who attack me are scum' metric has failed for me about as much as it's worked these days so I don't have much faith in it anymore | ||
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You can start with his weird threats and uselessness so far though | ||
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On February 09 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote: I'm not "starting" with anything, you are. I'm waiting for you to do something rather than fling shit at him. Btw I saved this post on my readthrough because the bolded bit is really bad. People buddy with me all the time and I buddy with people all the time. rayn and I quite happily buddy & work together, see the first edition of LXIV for a really obvious example where we 69ed in PMs and rayn pushed me as mayor even though I'd not done much in the thread. rayn saying "let's find mafia together to me" does not warrant you saying that it looks bad to you. It's not really bad at all. I am inherently untrustworthy of buddying, whether with me or anyone else. I often buddy to some degree with VE in games and even then I second-guess myself constantly as to motivations. I would think especially after coming off of two strong wins scum would want to buddy with a town-marv, and if you're scum then it doesn't really say a lot I don't think. Buddying in general however brings me to Koshi. His best buddy of all time is in this game, and yet Koshi has made no attempt to do his usual insane (and no offense) annoying buddying with Rayn. Up until only recently when I voted for him, Koshi has not commanded the attention and the usual joyfulness at rolling town that he does---only now have I seen a semblance of the carefree attitude he normally has. Before this he has been avoiding answering questions, being purposefully lazy and unhelpful. I hosted SMB mafia with Dandel recently and Grack came up with this read on scum Koshi that was spot on D1. On January 17 2014 14:02 Grackaroni wrote: That was my real reason. Koshi is usually more invested in the game and it feels really off to me that he is both not present in thread and doesn't seem to be having as much fun in the game as he normally does. Yes, a lot of it based on meta and feels, but they're strong feels. | ||
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The reasoning I originally was asking him about is the same thing marv and Koshi just referred to---put simply, scumVayne cares way more about a game than townVayne, and his early posting was enough that it actually showed just a little effort, enough to make me raise my eyebrows at it. I asked Koshi because I wanted to know if he picked up on it, which it seems he had, but the explanation was not offered. Instead this was given On February 09 2014 05:18 Koshi wrote: + No anger vs geript. none of which he bothered explaining when I asked. The problem here is VA has since apparently agreed with my 'feels' read of Koshi before I bothered to show a great deal of reasoning, and has activity or whatever could be referred to as activity has fallen off. The two of them having scumreads on each other makes it slightly perplexing. Marv, are you going to leave Koshi to fight his own battle or would you like to comment on any of the above? | ||
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VE, I believe you were also asking for rationale on Koshi. Thoughts? | ||
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On February 09 2014 09:23 Risen wrote: Sure why not. I don't have the best feelings about WoS just because he tried to buddy me, though. So that's probably paranoia. I'm working on it. Giving you a townread is trying to buddy you? k. On February 09 2014 09:48 marvellosity wrote: boo. Odin would have been so much easier to read. Agreed. All dem scummers replacing out. On February 09 2014 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Koshi's first post of the game: rayn's last, and only, since Koshi's first post: I'm sorry, but does Rayn need to be in thread for Koshi to send a message to Rayn or talk about him? Palmar did you want to talk? I'm here. | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:06 marvellosity wrote: Wave, inane buddying tends to happen in real time, rather than randomly in single posts that aren't being responded to. Shouldn't have to spell that out. I disagree with that completely. Look here: On February 08 2014 14:47 geript wrote: Also, where's my wubbybumpkins. His kid should be asleep. There should be nothing stopping a town Koshi from saying 'Hey Rayn is in this game, I should send him something super upbeat and friendly in thread!' | ||
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Fail to see anything terrible about it marv. | ||
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And in regards to Rayn I was talking about buddying you in specific as well. You're comparing apples and oranges here and calling them both rotten. | ||
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Town Koshi normally buddies Rayn. Doesn't. Looks shitty to me. Rayn attempting to buddy you, also looks shitty to me because in most cases I don't trust buddying. MOST CASES. Apparently I need to be completely single-minded in all my views just to please you. | ||
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Again, anyone else is welcome to comment on anything I wrote. | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote: I literally explained that the last game that me and rayn played together as town we buddied each other right from the start. So perhaps you can understand my confusion why Koshi is supposed to buddy rayn but rayn buddying me is a bad thing. Because your ego is massive as town and given your performance in the last two games, I believe it would be in scum's best interests this game to attempt to buddy you if you're town. I've already explained this. I actually don't care in the slightest how terrible you think that is. I already even discussed it with Rayn himself to some degree, although he seemed to think it wasn't buddying at all. On February 08 2014 22:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I took that conersation to be about the townreads part not about where he said not to be discussing anything. I agree that's dumb. But if you think it was dumb why not pursue it at the time with geript then? And as far as you/marv yes his appearance was meh; but I assumed buddying based on your earlier interaction with him. On February 08 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I asked him if he wants to help me lynch mafia. That's not buddying. There is no reason for me to repeat what geript said. I know yamato pushed the same thing in the last game and actually now, that i just listened the podcast, i want to ask him why is he doing the same thing here as in the podcast in my opinion he agreed that was not the best strategy for the town. | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:26 marvellosity wrote: Yes, I'm aware you discussed it with rayn. As a FYI, in my experience, people who buddy me are disproportionately likely to be town, because it's a risk for mafia to draw their attention to me for any reason. I'm hyper-aware of how people treat me in general because a) ego and b) I'm interactive anyways, so anyone buddying with me is automatically drawing some of my attention. I don't tend to fall into the "he likes me, he town" trap that some people do. I can't just take your word on this, you know. Koshi, I'd like you to explain this post to me. On February 09 2014 05:18 Koshi wrote: + No anger vs geript. | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:32 marvellosity wrote: You always say you can't take my word for things, and I always end up being right. I trust you'll learn at some stage. I mean, I even explained the rationale behind what I said because I know you like that sort of thing. It should make sense to you. The rationale you explained actually does make sense, but the problem is like I said, it involves me simply trusting you and taking your word for it, and I can't do that. Since Palmar appears to be ignoring me for the moment, is there anything else we can discuss then? Thoughts on Cora perhaps and his refusal to 'defend himself' (when all I really expected was some sort of response)? | ||
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Dun like. Koshi why those specific posts? Are they just examples of how VA is not being his 'town self' and not doing anything (which I agree with btw)? And what about the rage vs geript part? | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:13 Grackaroni wrote: That is pretty terrible. Hi Grack. Read the thread? | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:39 marvellosity wrote: BlazingHand got modkilled once for this line of argument. True story. What? | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:42 marvellosity wrote: Ok I left out the bits with the rage and the swearing. But LIII BH: marv is doing nothing, he mafia *marv does things* BH: marv is still mafia, he only looks town because i called him mafia marv: um... BH: yeah you retarded scummer, etc etc *modkill* Yeah I assumed there must have been more to it. Alright so you don't want Koshi today, probably not Cora, anyone you DO want? | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:47 marvellosity wrote: Maybe if Palmar does non-geript or better-geript things and rayn tells me where to look, we can get a good lynch. I just don't get this attitude (nor do I get what appears to be you assuming Palmar/Rayn are town already). I need a break. I'll be around in case anyone has anything relevant for me. | ||
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On February 09 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: What exactly are you referring to do when you say 'geript being geript?' I don't know I'd go so far as to say he was 'shitting up the thread,' but it was him I was referring to when I said his early efforts seemed 'forced,' not you. Cora, I have a problem. See, you share ideas that I somewhat agree with in that I believe something is 'up' with geript, and this though, I suppose and obvious question isn't exactly alignment indicative when we're both thinking it, (btw Koshi I am VERY interested in this particular question) but this post. I hate it. On one hand it seems like the kind of stuff I'd say as town, (ie drawing attention to yourself by saying having no scum-reads might be a cop-out, being all apologetic) but then why does this only apply to you? Cora what is your D1 play normally like? But the it looks like you're drawing distinctions where you feel like drawing them. Like it looks like you're afraid of Rayn (or maybe me lol) and throwing suspicion at yamato when Rayn literally said it was yamato's post that made him think you were scummy in the first place! Also you're saying the scumteam is hugely lurky IS a cop-out. Do you think everyone who has posted so far is town? Is yamato scum for saying what he did? Or alternatively have a look at what I wrote about Koshi. Marv is the only person aside from Koshi himself who has bothered to talk to me about it. Also I just realized, we haven't heard from Holyflare and VE STILL hasn't answered my damn questions. On February 09 2014 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh, I'm okay with geript for now. *shrug* Wave if you want to elaborate on your feels a little bit I might be down with lynching Koshi. This was the last I heard from him, I made my post and he hasn't responded to that OR the specific questions I asked him. Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write. | ||
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On February 09 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote: What the fuck is this Wave? I'm playing LoL what do you want? Really? On February 09 2014 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh, I'm okay with geript for now. *shrug* Wave if you want to elaborate on your feels a little bit I might be down with lynching Koshi. On February 09 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not really bad at all. I am inherently untrustworthy of buddying, whether with me or anyone else. I often buddy to some degree with VE in games and even then I second-guess myself constantly as to motivations. I would think especially after coming off of two strong wins scum would want to buddy with a town-marv, and if you're scum then it doesn't really say a lot I don't think. Buddying in general however brings me to Koshi. His best buddy of all time is in this game, and yet Koshi has made no attempt to do his usual insane (and no offense) annoying buddying with Rayn. Up until only recently when I voted for him, Koshi has not commanded the attention and the usual joyfulness at rolling town that he does---only now have I seen a semblance of the carefree attitude he normally has. Before this he has been avoiding answering questions, being purposefully lazy and unhelpful. I hosted SMB mafia with Dandel recently and Grack came up with this read on scum Koshi that was spot on D1. Yes, a lot of it based on meta and feels, but they're strong feels. On February 09 2014 09:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Not particularly. VE, I believe you were also asking for rationale on Koshi. Thoughts? Oh...I think I missed this one. On February 09 2014 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Wave I'll tell you the same thing I told Cora - he wasn't "on the hook" in the first place. People are considering him for lynch now, but for reasons I think are not so much alignment indicative and I'm not convinced he's a good lynch. I don't know what's supposed to be unacceptable - I told him I thought that what Slam did was null after he asked. That was pretty much the end of it yeah? Like, I never thought he thought it was scummy of Alak in the first place (which is explicit in MY post on the matter) so I don't feel like he's suspiciously dropping it or whatever. I would have found it more suspicious if he had tried to make a case on Alak based on what he's posted so far. ##Unvote Fine at least look at what I wrote about Koshi above, I thought you never responded to my questioning about Cora either. | ||
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On February 09 2014 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave what was the point of all that? VE didnt even say anything. On February 09 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote: What the fuck is this Wave? I'm playing LoL what do you want? You're a good reader Oats. Almost as good as me. | ||
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On February 09 2014 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I agree with that what you say about Koshi. His play lacks...I don't know what else to call it but direction. Like, take Oats for example. That last post by Oats, while succinct, explains Oats thoughts about someone. And while he's not in here writing paragraphs, that's the kind of post I'd expect from a town aligned Oats. I expect similar almost effortless forays into the thread from a town-aligned Koshi that I'm not seeing here. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi I'm with you on this one. His response to you calling him suspicious was super bad too - like, it's not even like he was interested in why you found him suspicious, he just used you as a means to not do anything by saying "Welp you must be scum then" + Show Spoiler + Did you.... read the thread occurrences since that post of mine? I'm not so sure I even believe it myself anymore. Marv shot it down pretty quickly and Koshi's responses were...decent? I'm still not a fan of his play though and something marv said kinda clicked with me thinking about it now On February 09 2014 08:57 marvellosity wrote: Naw, you have to fight your own battles. We both know that lazy Koshi can just be a cover from scumKoshi. And while I agree about VA it feels kinda thin. Which isn't your fault but I don't really want to vote him for just that atm. And it does feel like marv fought his battle for him even though Koshi eventually responded to my questions. I just can't shake the feeling that he only did so because marv wasn't ready to flat out tell me to back off, and his play around then precisely describes what I feel like I should have seen in a town Koshi from the start. And then another issue is what are your thoughts on VA? His posting around then and recently as well? I had the same sort of idea about VA being scummy as both marv and Koshi---the only thing I can think of is some sort of convoluted bus thing but I refuse to entertain that right now (even as it sits gnawing away at my skull). | ||
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I have super conflicting reads on VA now, especially since him and Koshi are intertwined. VA started out tryhardy-serious = scum VA Now is being kinda useless-but-not-trolly = ?? VA Martyring = town Ugh. VE before I mentioned Koshi to you is there anyone you were looking at? | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote: if im reading this correctly, the first thing that sticks out to me is that mafia only gets one kill chosen solely by them, so I would keep a close eye on who they decide to kill. can't really waste that on WIFOM is a town is dominating. WTF is he trying to say with this? Does this constitute an important thought? On February 08 2014 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I'd say the mafia team would not bother chatting with eachother this early, if they have even showed up at all. Can probably put mutually exclusive brackets on geript(wave,yamato) Terrible association reads---I can honestly think of zero reason why this would be true, and I think this was pointed out at the time as well by someone else. On February 09 2014 08:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I agree, but I townread the slot he is filling so I am unsure On February 09 2014 09:13 VayneAuthority wrote: typically a lot of people like to do that as scum including myself, it's easy to just go through and quote stuff and say it is bad. pretty much the easiest cases to make as scum. He did it in our last game on mig and such in w/e that game was This was about my read on Koshi. I actually forgot about this. On February 09 2014 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote: what do you think of his idea Wave? On February 09 2014 16:14 VayneAuthority wrote: pretty much I will agree on any policy involving lynching the less desirable players even if it includes myself after giving it some thought. There is no reason for mafia to not nominate all the more townie looking people and make town pick off the better players. So it is really in our best interests to weed out those not participating as much (I realize that is me right now, but day 1 I am never that active) IS this an idea? It's pitiful if so---like I often don't follow strategy talk particularly well and have to have stuff explained to me but all this looks like to me is a simple policy lynch and has no real bearing on setup. Obviously when you policy lynch it's going to be into the pool of 'less desirable players' (ie lurkers and whatnot) but that's the same thing in ANY game. Is the point to avoid lynching into players who are likely to be put up for nomination? Because I would think that fairly obvious considering it's probably likely the scum will put up strong players to be removed who we wouldn't want to be lynching anyway. On February 09 2014 17:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Well looking at his filter, he seems to like...want you to think he is scumhunting right? But then comes in later and sayshe wants to policy lynch lurkers? Like he was talking about PoEing the scum or whatever, has he abandoned that approach entirely because scum aren't likely to nominate lurkers? I just don't understand how a townie gets from A to B you know? DOES he want us to think that? Doesn't honestly look like it considering he's barely commented on anything but setup all game. Here's my problem. Overall, useless VA is more likely to be town which really hurts me to say. And he's supporting the idea of a Koshi lynch, which I have now apparently garnered support for (though he didn't actually vote...?) Again this either all some weird distancing tactic or VA is simply being his useless town self and sheeping along effortlessly. Thoughts? I'll look at your comment on yamato in a sec VE, then I gotta go to bed. | ||
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Reading that made me angry at VA's contribution level. And whenever I get angry at VA's contribution level he's town, without fail. That's where I stand on that. ##Vote: Koshi On February 09 2014 17:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I wasn't liking yamatos repeated "bored nothing happening will come back if ur lucky" crape earlier but that could totally come from town yamato and he has said some stuff that was okayish. He really isn't giving me much to work with, and his argument with Cora is making my asa twitch. What do you think? He moved off of it briefly to shut me down for basically no reason....and now I'm curious considering his stance on VA/Koshi. On February 09 2014 15:30 yamato77 wrote: Cora specifically said, "I am waiting for Yamato to respond to me". Kinda have to harp on that shit, bro. I'm on Koshi's side in the VA-Koshi dynamic. VA looks more like mafia than Koshi does. I don't understand the VE thing at all. Why is him being afk reason to vote him? Not thrilling, Wave. Like I remember thinking that I agreed with marv/Koshi but looking at VA's filter anew he's not cracking jokes and shit, true, but it's not about that. It's whether or not 6 months ago I'd be yelling at him for doing dick all. And in this game I would be 100%. | ||
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Yamato consider VA and Koshi again. I believe one of them is likely scum. Both have done nothing all day. One is playing like ass and making no excuses for his play, and martyring to some degree. The other is acting odd as all hell, and hiding behind the strong players in the game. My money's on Koshi. | ||
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On February 10 2014 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah about this. You didn't agree but all the reads you gave line up with mine. What's up with that? Phoneposting Not following the rage from Koshi All he has done this game is suck up to the big names in this game and hide behind their egos Only does relevant things when attention is drawn to it/under pressure. Super town And I must say I hate this technique of bullying the hell out of people who vote for you Looks like you've taught Koshi well marv, soon everybody can act like an asshat. Vote stays---raging and acting antitown on top of a previous useless day doesn't make me want to unvote you, if anything it makes me want to remove you from the game more the only way I know how Back later | ||
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I can't say I'm entirely surprised with the way the lynch today went---I don't care what other people say it certainly did look 'too easy,' and while I doubt I would have necessarily fought against it, especially since my lynch wagon on Koshi lost any support, I would have at least mentioned that fact as geript did. (Make of that what you will, obviously can't prove any of it.) Cora didn't exactly look great to me either but I was waffling on it throughout the day so in the end I'm happy my vote is on scum, whether you guys are willing to believe it or not. On February 10 2014 03:46 Koshi wrote: Also WoS is voting me atm for reasons that are not reasons why I am scum. On February 10 2014 03:47 Koshi wrote: It's "policy" This is absolutely ridiculous. Koshi lays in as soon as I leave the thread, fine, but the way he does it---he flat out lies about what I've posted. On February 10 2014 04:02 Koshi wrote: I will tell you that WoS has no reasons for why I am scum. 1) I don't buddy rayn this game. 2) I am not active enough 3) I hide agaisnt strong players. (Are this marv & rayn?) 4) last post which I guess is Policy. So WoS is using feels and Policy on me. Seems like it is working. 1) Point stands. 2) Doesn't even begin to address what I mention in that post. It has nothing to do with how often you post, it's the way in which you were posting up until attention was drawn to it. You were completely lacking the normal fun-loving carefree attitude you normally display as town which you have since attempted to make up for. 3) You're hiding behind them and letting them do all the work for you, not attempting to read anyone until bothered by someone you might feel threatened by and when someone DOES threaten you you let others berate them for you. Marv is the best example. 4) If you only consider my last post then maybe it's policy. But I dunno I consider doing nothing all day and the stuff in this post On February 10 2014 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting Not following the rage from Koshi All he has done this game is suck up to the big names in this game and hide behind their egos Only does relevant things when attention is drawn to it/under pressure. Super town And I must say I hate this technique of bullying the hell out of people who vote for you Looks like you've taught Koshi well marv, soon everybody can act like an asshat. Vote stays---raging and acting antitown on top of a previous useless day doesn't make me want to unvote you, if anything it makes me want to remove you from the game more the only way I know how Back later pretty alignment indicative. Now where exactly do you come up with the idea that I have no reasons to be voting you enough for you to rage so incredibly hard and fight like you did? On February 10 2014 04:39 Risen wrote: Yeah I don't like Cora saying he won't get lynched because ADD voting or something trying to get in my head. Vote is standing. Koshi fake rage is annoying. Risen picks this shit up right away. Looks like I've actually got my reads in the right place for once this game. I think the best part about this whole section is you don't even mention me after this point. Even once. Hell from my reading of the thread I don't think ANYBODY did. So why are you On February 10 2014 04:03 Koshi wrote: I am just pointing out it is really weak. ? Are you going somewhere with it? No you're not, because other people in the thread at the time have already read me as town so you feel forced to back down and hide like you have been all game. You know who else thought you were scum? Town Cora. You know who else thinks you look scummy? On February 10 2014 05:25 Risen wrote: Why do you feel the need to justify your posting? Scummy. Risen, who is one of my townreads and has been since the start. On February 10 2014 07:08 marvellosity wrote: there is no way Cora gives up as town. He screams to the hills, all day every day. I consider his play to be a virtual mafiaclaim, similar to Artanis in Vengeful. The most damning thing is that he didn't go "OMG MARV IS TUNNELLING ME LIKE EVERY GAME". I guarantee he does that if he is town. Corazon does not see a vote on him by me and say NOTHING about it. Nuh uh. On February 10 2014 07:09 Koshi wrote: THEN IT IS DECIDED. Nope not hiding behind marv at all. This is something that makes me curious since I was the primary proponent of a Koshi lynch...it seems people really DID forget about me entirely after I left... On February 10 2014 07:37 Koshi wrote: And you aren't? THERE LITERALLY ARE NO REASONS TO LYNCH ME. Oats is mad because I went a bit overboard with the spam. That's his only reason. Already showed them. Wish I was in thread at this point. I really do. 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On February 11 2014 03:39 Risen wrote: I'm guessing a setup nomination to get rid of me. Completely nonsensical people being put up. On top of this, if WoS/Palmar are scum I'm screwed since I've given them hall passes on buddying me in an attempt to not be uber paranoid. Something that hurts: Rayn the Relentless hasn't said as many nice things about me as usual this game :/ <3 Catching up, but there are so many things that are just flat out wrong that so many people have said about me. I've already asked you this, but where am I buddying you? Giving you a townread != buddying. As far as the Koshi read goes, fuck it. Nobody even bothers responding to anything I wrote and are just calling me scum now so I guess I'll just drop it, but can somebody at least do me the simple fucking courtesy of explaining what exactly makes Koshi town that ISN'T people's townread on Slam? Inc: list of things that stood out/pissed me off during reread, and updated reads. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote: Im response to the wave post after I went to bed. I want people to explain their votes that were unexplained. I don't know anything about someone who unvotes and votes with nothing in their filter saying why. Regardless of whether cora flipped mafia or town this holds true. I wanted people to respond before the flip actually happened because maybe their responses would be more alignment indicative. For everyone else, wave's long post is really odd. His scum read was koshi but then when koshi "lied" about wave's case wave made that giant post that said nothing other than koshi totes lying and here's why. It was a colossal defence post ment to implicate koshi. He then asked me for conclusions from my questioning about whether people were town or not before nominations occur and it's not our lynch phase. Both he and grack have almost no mention of cora wagons as far as i remember (grack definitely doesn't after i questioned him). Will post more when I'm back from uni, hold tight. Marv was town like halfway through day 1 by the way, why did you take so long to notice? He was asking about people, pointing out things and being agreeable with that touch of marv ego assholeishness. Thank you for at least responding to me, hours later. I I disagree with your assessment of my Koshi case, because him lying about what I'm saying is only part of it, btu whatever under duress of fucking everybody in thread and nobody caring, I suppose I have to drop it, don't I if I actually want to be useful to town in some way? Are you referring to me when you ask about marv being town? I don't give a shit about marv's ego; yes he is in all likelihood town but just because he does things that fit his 'marv town meta' doesn't mean he is not aware of what that is. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote: I wish Palmar would stop pushing weird things. INTERLUDE. TERRIBLE META COMPARISON OF THE DAY: On February 11 2014 02:29 Palmar wrote: Best use of meta I've seen. I'm totally off the WoS=town wagon now. Is this a fucking bait? Because just tell me now so I don't rage even harder than I'm about to. I HATE being baited. Are you REALLY using meta on me from almost a YEAR ago that not only proves absolutely nothing and ignores all circumstances of the games in which they take place, but also completely ignores my evolving reads on you in the games we've played together since? Like last time someone pulled this terrible meta shit completely unabashedly it was scum Palmar in Thug life, and hey, what do you know, Palmar is here agreeing with marv for some ungodly reason. Like...I really don't understand the point of this nor do I even think I fully understand the meta comparison you're trying to make. Am I overreacting and is this a joke? Because if so I'm not sure I get it. On February 11 2014 02:36 marvellosity wrote: Meh, maybe? It seems a lot less egregious than Wave ignoring what we think on Koshi, for example. I've never explicitly called you town this game I don't think either, I've just treated you that way mostly, which is more subtle and for people not-us isn't totally evident, and perhaps even if it was evident he'd like to have his own opinion. IM IGNORING WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE NNOBODY HAS GIVEN ME A REASON, YOU JUTST SAY SHIT LIKE THIS On February 10 2014 22:18 marvellosity wrote: You can hide behind me if you like, he'll hate that. Do you have any idea how frustrating this shit is for me? It's making this game completely unenjoyable to simply be ridiculed and ignored and now on top of that people are calling me scum for shit I don't understand and hasn't been explained thoroughly. | ||
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On February 10 2014 22:26 geript wrote: You just made me snort decaf coffee out of my nose. Thank you dear. Posts like this, the 'wubbybumpkins,' they're all whatever but the emotional gamut geript has run in this game strikes me as extremely fucking odd. Rages when under pressure, completely jovial when not and trying to get people on his side through emotional appeal...it's just such WEIRD play. On February 10 2014 23:35 geript wrote: Because I've played more with you than I have with him and feel like from voice I can get a solid read on you. I think this was pointed out already but that's just a horrible post. Voice !=forum. Like ever. On February 10 2014 23:50 geript wrote: I let him do his thing on Koshi because my time is pretty limited 1 so my ability to read thoroughly is down, because he should read me as obv town by now (and at least consider my opinion), because our schedules haven't seemed to align yet and because Wave needs the back and forth. Besides, at no point has Koshi ever been under any actual realistic lynch potential. I really don't get why you'd expect me to protect a townread when there's no chance of him being lynched right now. No, I think you might be scum because of how/when you pushed things. With you I need to go into more depth in a read than just filters. And yes, while voice doesn't transfer over 100% I don't think it's a 0% rate either. Like you make conscientious attempts to protect your scum bros until they're Unsalvageable. Here's the thing Rayn, everybody is letting me do my thing on Koshi and NOBODY gives a shit. That's not what makes geript scummy. He assumes I should read him as obvtown right now and he hits the points that he thinks will appeal to me (ie me needing the back-and-forth)---all emotional and 'feels'-type appeals and nothing concrete. There is zero reason why I should have geript as town right now based on his blatant buddying of me. And I think somebody asked why I haven't buddied VE either? Gotta find that post, but 'cause no townfeels from him this game. Not even close to what I got in Shadow game. | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:53 Risen wrote: Is wave's voice play that much different than his voice play? You can't compare voice to forum Risen. They're completely different media---the reads I come up with in voice are impossible to do in forum where you have as long as you need to plan stuff out, post, and show as little or as much emotion as you need to. Palmar, stop taunting me and explain yourself. | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I JUST asked Risen to explain his own comment in further detail, then Koshi came in and did the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. VE are you town? Tell me straight up. People fucking TALK to me | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Or don't. Whatever, I'm making porkchops so I should be back in ~72 hours. Can you talk or is the above true? If so, mebbe talk to me about Grack. I have some feels going on and I want to see if anyone else has them. | ||
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I'm actually going to do a full dive of Grack. People aren't paying enough attention to him and there's soemthing in the back of my mind that I want to get out one way or another---going to try to do it without geript-scum bias in my head because I know geript has been sort-of-but-not-really-pushing him and asking people to look at him. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Grack just shut up if you're not going to do anything to help anyone get a read on you. Continually trolling the game, if you're town, is anti-productive and frankly playing against your win condition. If you're scum keep doin what you're doin I guess. OO me likey. This is reminiscent of the VE of old, not the passive shadow of a man who stands before me. I have to look at what geript said and see if any of it holds water---I think I may do my own first and then compare what he said to what I come up with. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I looked at him and saw Grackaroni. If you end up thinking he's scum, I look forward to a better case than geript's. Actually, can you elaborate a little bit while I write? Was there anything specifically that stuck out to you as being bad about his case or do you just mean the half-heartedness of his push in general? | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:26 Holyflare wrote: I have literally looked at amd made him explain everything that didn't make sense, what more is there to say about him other than a conclusion? Why are you saying nobody had talked about him when that is blatantly not true, you even responded to my posts talking about him. Why point out that i responded to your case really late, i was playing lol when you made it WITH YOU ON TS and went straight to bed afterwards? Simply stating facts about the timing of your response, I'm just annoyed that people have had ample time to discuss and nobody bothers; I am well aware that you went to bed and you actually responded I was serious about that, thank you. Yes you're right, you have talked about him but to be completely honest I think I was reading through the earlier sections where you talked about him in a bit of self-centered rage so what may be more detailed than I thought, I figured wasn't much. Lemme do this. | ||
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I like that you tried to get him to explain his Koshi townread (which is what I want from the entire damn thread) but he just offers the same thing as everyone else 'He doesn't look like scum Koshi.' K filtering | ||
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On February 09 2014 11:30 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I've just read through the thread. I guess I'll try my best to not be an asshole this game in order to delay my lynch for a few cycles. Plus you quoted me to support your attack on Koshi which is great for the ego. Koshi is more than willing to buddy Rayn as scum as well so him not doing it this game isn't the best argument for Koshi being scum, and as Marv already mentioned they weren't even posting at the same time. Semi-martyring = townpoints. Actual reasoning regarding Koshi this early is interesting but no proof and also solely meta (even though I think my feels at the time were mostly meta based as well). On February 10 2014 02:01 Grackaroni wrote: No I actually just think it's laughable that you think that people are scum for trying to lynch you. Now why did you think Corazon was town before, and why are you voting for him now? Aside from the trolling, there does appear to be some sort of direction to his early play, namely a push towards cora-and-maybe-marv. I'm not sure if I'm biased because marv is maybe-intentionally pissing me off these days but anyone who attempts to stick it to him automatically looks good. Especially considering he's right. Probably should do something about that bias but whatevs. On February 10 2014 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote Marv ##Vote: VayneAuthority We can lynch Vayne. On February 10 2014 03:44 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I give up for today. Risen safe lynch; best lynch NA. ##Unvote: VA ##Vote: Risen The rest of the day is dick all now. HF already addressed this and honestly I don't think any of the concerns brought up were dealt with adequately. On one hand I can certainly identify with often not having strong scumreads on D1 (though this isn't always necessarily true) but at the very least when I don't have strong scumreads I try to at least make reads in general and give my thoughts on them (and then I'm called scummy and 'wishy-washy)---Grack has done neither. He's 'given up on finding scum D1' but ALSO has shown that he doesn't even want to attempt to help the REST of town unless prodded intensely, which has continued well into today. On February 10 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me. Oh wait, he DOES maybe have a strong scumread in marv? He certainly mentions him enough in his filter but it's not a real push, it's trolly and I can't honestly tell if he's serious about it or not. That worries me. On February 10 2014 07:26 Grackaroni wrote: Geript? If Cora is mafia then he is probably being pretty heavily bussed by now. I don't think mafia would be trying to save him at this point. This post shows a little insight maybe, but they're way too few and far between. On February 11 2014 01:01 Grackaroni wrote: Well yeah he said that he wanted to kill Koshi for his posts not looking like he is having fun and then he said he was starting to like Koshi's posts (when it became more like Koshi's usual posting), but later in the day he's still super convinced that it's all an act which I don't like. And yeah VE thing was wtf. And recently the discussion on me began---I actually don't mind this much aside from the fact that it's slightly misrepresentative of what I'm trying to get at. Yes I said that it started to look more like his usual posting but only after being prodded. Sort of like how Grack has to be prodded. And the fact that I still feel like Koshi has skated by while doing absolutely nothing but nobody seems to want to look at that is what contributes to me thinking it's an act but whatever. And the VE thing I explained literally as it happened. I'm not sure if I see mafia agenda behind bringing me up as a target as he could simply be content to follow status quo since he's not in any real danger at the moment, and bringing up a new target and sort-of-pushing it will inadvertently bring attention to him...I mean yeah it's a mislynch but the intent seems honest. Grack I have one question for you right now before I look at geript's case on you: On February 11 2014 05:25 Grackaroni wrote: I'm just waiting for the nominations. Why, specifically? Conclusion on filterdive above pending. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:51 Risen wrote: So much fake rage in this game. Get questioned or disagreed with, rage. People back down because it shits up the thread. Rage a little more. Town meta. Are you referring to me? Out with it. You've mentioned fake rage a shit ton in this game and while I agreed with you when applied to Koshi I'd like to see some actual supporting content now because shitting on people from the sidelines is not helpful and grack-y. Geript rage, fake or real? My rage, fake or real? Koshi rage, fake or real? Why or why not? | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:49 Grackaroni wrote: No thats not true I said Koshi's posting seemed carefree so far which is the exact same metric that I used to push scum Koshi in SMB. You used that reasoning earlier (and my own post) to push Koshi as scum this game and now you're just completely ignoring it? Yes it is the same metric, but you talked about it specifically from the POV of the EARLY point in the game. I believe your post was about him reading his role PM and being depressed? Would you expect a scum Koshi to be depressed about reading his scum role PM the entire game? And as far as Koshi goes, nobody wants to talk to me about him or explain anything to me so I see no point in continuing to tunnel all game. If you can't already tell, I don't appreciate anti-town activity. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:36 Holyflare wrote: Only koshi...? I don't think you're reading right at all. Not only Koshi, I know, but that's just what I mentioned there. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, arguably Palmar "didn't think Cora was town", but my opinion is that his posting looks like he doesn't even care if he's town or not, and the fact is that the Cora wagon was fast and it LOOKED like a town wagon. And that's a problem for me, because of the post above. If Palmar is scum it looks more to me like he'd be trying to cover up the fact that he doesn't care by being non-apologetic about it, if that makes any sense. VE, you know palmar better than i do (I think), I've had problems with Palmar specifically ignoring me before and supposedly inadvertently pissing me off (that is, he said he didn't mean to when he finally finally responded to me, LXI I think it was). He appears to be pulling something right now by taunting me, and I can't tell what. Am I imagining this or is it simply Palmar? | ||
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On February 10 2014 06:45 geript wrote: ##vote Grackaroni First off, we can all agree that Grack's been useless this game. Unfortunately, this isn't alignment indicative of him though. There are some good reasons for him to be scum. + Show Spoiler [filters] + 1.He's objectively weird but no one has been interested in discussing him. Like he's gotten a complete free pass. 2. The Cora lynch has too much steam. There are way too many people ok with lynching Cora right now for it to end up being a good lynch. On top of that, Cora reacted to Palmar exactly how I had which should be a good litmus test. 3. Grack has bounced around to 3 different people with completely shitty reasons every time. 4. We get to avoid super awkward situations like happened in LXIV. 5. Grack has more swagger as town than he has as scum. Hell he's voted for himself both times as town (once was for mayor). He's also far more negative as scum than he is as town. It's weird to try and describe, but I'm not seeing any sense of confidence coming out of Grack. Most of his statements this game have been qualified: "I do think it could be" "I might be ok" "But you haven't done anything to try to solve the game?" There's a serious disconnect between these posts and how I read him in his other town games. 6. This is weak, but in his scum games he also uses quotes more than he does as town. It feels like his lack of confidence wants him to pad his filter with extra space. That's the bullet point. Rayn/VE your thoughts. The thing that was getting into my head was (bad wave, bad bad) pre-flip association to see if Grack/Geript team makes sense but I really don't think it does in the slightest. Grack responds to it so nonchalantly when it would be an amazing distancing play---it just seems way too unlikely. I honestly think some of Geript's terrible case here actually makes him look a little better simply BECAUSE it's so terrible (quotes? really?) but then I remember Sandroba in Shadow game so obviously scum are more than capable of making purposefully terrible cases on people who aren't their scumbuddies. Some of the points of the case themselves DO hold water but they're so superficial. not even close to what Holy was attempting to expose. Ultimately I don't think the case itself says much about geript OR grack, I think HF's pressure does a better job than that though now I find myself wanting more because I am left very unsatisfied with Grack's paly. | ||
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On February 11 2014 06:16 Risen wrote: Geript - Fake. Why rage? Super fake. You - Fake. Why rage? Has anyone actually done anything to misrepresent you entirely and the thread went along with it? Koshi - Self-admitted fake. I'm known for raging, but at least I only ever raged when the entire thread was going against me not at a single person or idea. It's absurd and toxic. Also fake. Can't tell if people are trying to play to metas or just feel like raging so they have an excuse to leave thread for a bit. Geript raged and left thread. Neither Koshi nor I did. Also I do not fake rage. That may not mean anything to you, but I don't really care as it matters to my standards. I rage when people say stupid shit about me, ESPECIALLY when i'm not around to correct them. See (Thug Life I think?) when I was like 10 min away from being lynched and frantically posting against a push on my lunch hour that started when i could not be in thread. yes you're right, i could be playing to my meta, but if so it's because that's simply how I play and that doesn't appear to be likely to change no matter how often i try. Now I actually Do have to leave thread, I'll be back at my usual time. Probably by myself as per usual. | ||
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On February 11 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: I just want to know the nominations.... -.- Feel like this dawn thing is kinda pointless as the optimal play is to NOT mention who you think is town like everyone (including rayn who said he agreed with this) has been doing. Also, wave, wtf are you doing? You just went through gracks filter and pointed out everything I had already brought to light to then reach.... no conclusion, yet, that was the thing you criticised/questioned me for? Also your post which has pre-flip associations in it shouldn't at all after your last 2 games: (Vengeful Mafia) (Shadow Mafia) So why did you start out the game with pre-flip associations in your mind when you know that it hasn't been working out for you and even said you don't want to do it in previous 2 games? Phoneposting You should read what I wrote. First of all, not mainly basing anything on association, but I'm mentioning it anyway. I still have a scum read on geript, that hasn't changed. As for my conclusion on grack, if you'd read what I wrote, I said conclusion Iis pending based on his answer to my question which he hasn't given me. The bad prefliip business does not on its own influence what I think about either of them, and does not contradict at all what I'm doing Palmar ignoring me again Love it | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:55 Risen wrote: Yeah and he buddied me. For the third time now, I did not buddy you. I have said this repeatedly and you have ignored it, but calling you town != buddying. marv clearly I don't get half of the shit you try to do so in not getting your 'joke, yeah, I guess I acted like scum DP. That must make me scum, obviously, you know, 'cause we're the same person. | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: he didn't even react that angrily to toad's shittest case on him in shadow, this overreaction at koshi (who he thinks is scum) is totally unlike any wave that i've checked up on and his reaction to the rest of the thread is.... the same. Are you kidding me?! I raged super hard at TOad's case wtf are you actually saying going to tear this shit up hardcore when Iget back | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:05 Risen wrote: Independent is fine. I'm wrong a lot and don't really learn from anything so I can dig it. But if you're going to play like that why are you getting mad at people saying mean things about you instead of getting mad when people ignore you? There's a disconnect and I think it's really telling. I AM FUCKING MAD THAT PEOPLE HAVE IGNORED ME ALL GAME ABOUT KOSHI WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:08 marvellosity wrote: oh shut up Wave, christ. I am not going to swear at you right now because I don't want to be modkilled. Suffice it to say I am...disappointed in you marv. You truly make this game unenjoyable. I am going to eat dinner right now. When I come back, I am going to tear all of this shit right up and set things straight. | ||
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I've eaten, watched Canada fail in the Super Combined, and attempted to calm down. I'm not even going to bother asking if people want to discuss anything with me now, because it seems like most people have already assumed that I'm scum. I'll tell you this much, I will NOT be lynched and I will prove myself as I always do. Now, as far as nominations go, I haven't given them much though because I basically assumed scum were going to take the obvious choice and nominate the three strongest players in the game. The question of course becomes is it a 3-T scenario or the riskier 2T-1S? (Not considering other options because those seems kind of silly or really conspiracy-theory minded. Won't rule them out but won't talk about them here) Scenario A) Marv scum - If this is the case Rayn and Palmar are almost certainly town. Marv is by far the least likly to be lynched of the three and the scumteam would know this. Pretty simple. B) Rayn scum - Possible but pretty risky, again going against town Marv and Palmar who has proven a little unconventional at least by the standards of this game. c) Palmar scum - Unlikely in my opinion because we've already got some people who have assumed Palmar is the weakest of the three and should be lynched even if they are all town, so the scumteam submitting him to go against two stronger players is an unnecessary risk. d) No scum - Pretty likely scenario here. This is basically scum's NK, and giving up the chance to eliminate one of the strongest players from the game for a gamble at towncred (I believe someone has mentioned this already) doesn't appear to be good play. It might be useful for the long game, but even then one would have to be sure they'd be able to reap enough towncred to survive really late game, and given marv's recent performance as scum I don't think anyone will make that mistake again. I don't think I have any reason to assume anything other than all three of them being town, in which case as much as I am sick of dealing with marv in this game, scum are likely to eliminate him anyway with their free shot so we should keep him alive as long as we can as he's likely to out a few scum in the meantime. It's a crapshoot for me between Rayn and Palmar, I'll go with whoever the town decides is better off for lategame. Each of the two has their upsides and downsides as town imo, so I have no preference. + Show Spoiler + Conspiracy theory - All 3 scum? lol no way. Even 2...I doubt marv would allow this if he were one of them as he much prefers conventional play from what I've seen. If it is 2 it would have to be Palmar and Rayn---essentially bussing one of them to give the other 'ultimate' towncred after marv gets shot leaving only one of these three alive. As long as people keep this in mind to lategame it's unlikely to be a problem---but it's also extremely unlikely in the first place. I don't think either Palmar or Rayn would need to fight for the towncred like this. 3 town is the scenario imo. Now I'll talk about some of the shit nobody wants to hear. | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:50 marvellosity wrote: who cares? that's irrelevant. lol. Do you honestly think that I as scum would be retarded enough to try and go up against strong townies in this game? Like I know I don't get lynched under normal circumstances, but given a choice of me you and palmar, me rayn and palmar, or me and almost WHOEVER, really, even were we all town don't you think I would be the most obvious choice as one of the weaker players who will prove to be less useful than the other two? Marv you complain about people not using their brains? Use yours. Oh and as far as what I said about you being unwarranted? On February 11 2014 09:13 marvellosity wrote: This is basically totally unwarranted, but whatever. Not at all. Last game I said similar things, and despite this game you not acting like a complete asshole and destroying the thread, the fact remains that you are REDACTED (I don't want to be modkilled. Not swears but descriptive of you and personal attacks are not warranted). You can go ahead and assume I'm saying these things as scum if you want, but I promise you they are completely alignment non-indicative and I will continue to believe them unless for some reason you change this incorrigible attitude of yours. You just think it's ok to be this way because you think you're right and you think I'm scum. Maybe being wrong a couple times will humble you up some. I don't think you understand how frustrating it is to play with people who won't listen to what you say at all, who completely ignore your efforts, and attack you only when you're not around and/or assume things based on lies. You're MARV, so this has never happened to you. Hell even in Shadow game when I put all that effort in, people were content to say 'BIG WALL OF TEXT WAVE TOWN' without reading much of what I wrote. It fucking sucks. Moving on. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:14 marvellosity wrote: Would you answer the stuff that rayn and I brought up please? Specifically what? | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: he didn't even react that angrily to toad's shittest case on him in shadow, this overreaction at koshi (who he thinks is scum) is totally unlike any wave that i've checked up on and his reaction to the rest of the thread is.... the same. On January 25 2014 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, don't talk about ongoing games. Second, if you would like to hear my entire thought process, yes I am relieved to roll town because of the stacked-ness of this game but part of me is slightly meh about it because I ALWAYS ROLL TOWN AND IM SICK OF IT LOOK AT MY PAST GAMES. Third, do you actually and truly think that as scum, I would come into the thread, and make a post like that which would give my scum-thoughts away like 'oh shit I'd better pretend to be happy in writing' but I'm too stupid to make up a post that actually gets that across? Like it's as fucking ridiculous as calling someone scum because they're pissed off post-lynch. Just retarded fucking arguments. And don't you DARE try to get out of this by using my second point and being like 'well now I understand his thought process so I guess that's out' You shouldn't even be using arguments like that in the first place, they're fucking terrible. HEY FOOLISHNESS IM SWEARING< MUST BE SCUM LOLOLOL Show me. Show me how I didn't rage at Toad in Shadow game. Difference there is I didn't have the whole thread down my back, just Foolishness and TOad's bad cases. I proved myself town pretty well there and I'll do the same here. A better example would be Thug Life. Go read that and then come back to me and tell me overreacting is a wavescum thing. Marv you remember that, don't you? Would you like me to bring up examples or should we wait for Holy to find them? I don't fake rage. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote: Please don't accuse me of not using my brain when you don't understand what I was getting at. I'm not certain you are mafia or anything. So if you were under no suspicion you may have been nominated and obviously that would have been pretty telling on your alignment. The way things went, we'll never know. Me being under no suspicion even if I were scum has NO BEARING on whether I'd be nominated or not. Why the hell would scum waste a sure kill on a stronger townie (assuming a 3town nom) by putting me up for nomination? Do you think if I were up for nomination with two stronger people you would have voted for one of the others? There is absolutely no way in hell scum would ever put me up for noms when they can eliminate you guys, EVEN IF I were the towniest town that ever towned specifically because of the usefulness factor. You should know that, and it's pretty damn obvious. Your central points about Cora were buried ages ago. I'll start. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:19 marvellosity wrote: Are you not reading the thread or something? Now as far as Cora goes, I was suspicious of him early on in the game and dropped it in favour of Koshi. He was my number 2 but I was pushing Koshi so I left Cora to the wayside. By the time he seriously came up again and the lynch was going strong, I was already long gone. Post-lynch stuff re: Cora you can go ahead and hold against me if you want, but as scum I don't think there's any reason to even bother saying that kind of thing. As town I always get my thoughts out into thread however inane they may be so that I am easy to read. Again, you know this. As far as dropping Koshi, this goes back to being ignored. Nobody seriously looked at anything I wrote (aside from maybe Holy?) and nobody ever gave me proper explanation despite me pushing things for an entire day, so rather than continue to shit up the thread with something that the entire thread STILL seems to be resisting, I dropped attempting to push it. Is there something anti-town about realizing that continually attempting to cram something down everyone's throats isn't working? Is there a point at which I could have given it up that WOULDN'T have looked scummy to you? | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:26 marvellosity wrote: for someone redacting things about me, you sure know how to be a total dickhead yourself Sticks and stones, but I'll back down in the interest of the thread. You know what I think and I'll leave it at that. Now if we're going to talk about the game let's continue. Ask whatever you need of me here, and I'll ask one from you: Who should I be voting for? | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Yes, if you hadn't given it up in a manner of going "lol you guys are wrong i had my vote on mafia" ---> "not gonna pursue this anymore" That doesn't feel very natural. I didn't say 'lol you guys are wrong.' I didn't rub it in anyone's face, I am just somewhat satisfied I had my vote on who I believe to be scum on D1. (And incidentally didn't contribute to lynching town). I did the same thing after being right about VE in shadow, didn't rub it in anyone's face, talked about what I probably would have done. Getting my thoughts across to thread. Nothing unnatural about it. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:39 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think there is any reason to do this line-up as mafia unless there is 1 mafia of the 3 so it is an important lynch imo. Would they risk killing off 1 at the cost of 2 unlynchable strong players? doubtful I disagree as per reasons I outlined above. This is the only way mafia get guaranteed kills. If you do believe this however, which of the three is scum? | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Any townie thinks they have their vote on scum Day 1. It's just such a non-point because it's only irrelevant if you're twiddling your thumbs on some other wagon while barely commenting on the main one. I would have had plenty to comment on had I been able to be around and I tried to get that point across. Are we going to try and lynch me again because I have deadline issues? You know how much I love that. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote: :/ Dat feels when your strongest scumread says something you agree with. Ugh. Wat you too? Alright same question I asked VA then. | ||
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And also responding to HF a while ago about 'not having conclusions' to my dive of Grack makes me realize he has avoided answering me. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:45 marvellosity wrote: Seriously, I can't get over this. "I think i had my vote on scum day 1"? Just wow. No fucking kidding if you're town. Fine marv, so if you're going to lynch me based on the fact that I couldn't come back and say 'Cora looks scummy too but the wagon is super easy so I'd rather lynch Koshi' when it was relevant then so be it. But at least call it what it is then, an activity lynch. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:48 marvellosity wrote: It's nothing to do with an activity lynch, very little of what I've said on you has been based on activity, so stop trying to represent it as such. If you're trying to get me lynched because of that part of my post, then that is what you're saying, because I was trying to get thoughts across that I couldn't get across at the time. Are there other things you're trying to get me lynched for? | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:54 marvellosity wrote: I'm not much of a fan of how his read on Koshi(VA) developed. I think I pointed out a post on Day 1. "VA looks town because he's bad, therefore I will vote Koshi" His thing where your "buddying" of me felt bad also raised my eyebrows. And his VE attitude & interactions... He does this after literally talking about Koshi non-stop for the last century. Why? Because VE didn't answer his questions. Wave and VE have a kind of thang going on which makes this hard to assess. But given whatever their thang is, I find it quite odd that he's willing to throw a vote on VE because VE hasn't answered him yet? He then drops it because he apparently found an answer from VE that he'd missed. Then VE is kinda left behind and Wave goes back to only talking about Koshi/VA etc. To me Koshi and VA were inexorably intertwined on D1 because of their focus on each other, so it and other people talking about him made me want to go look at VA. My townread on VA is a little weaker now but his play fits way more consistently with his townplay than scum,. After reading VA's filter I moved back to my earlier scumread. Simple as that. We already talked about Rayn/marv 'buddying' exhaustively. As for VE, already mentioned that I wasn't getting townfeels from him and considering how this game has been for me regarding being ignored, I was losing my patience enough to randomly drop my vote and place it onto somebody else I felt could maybe be scum to pressure him. It worked and I got to talk with him, and my own mistakes were corrected. As per above my vote was moved back to Koshi especially as it gained support from VA who I recently read as town, and VE who I recently talked with. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so im town glad we cleared that up And right as I write about how I think VA is town he does this. It's not the 'scumslip' that gives me pause, it's this post. VA knows what people (or at the very least what I) think of him---'if VA looks scummy he town, if he looks towny he scum.' He KNOWS this very well and there have been scumgames where he announces he's playing to his known meta to throw people off (as well as always talking about how much he changes his meta though for the most part he keeps it pretty much the same). If anything the blatant meta references loses VA townpoints from me. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Koshi might be scum, i can't believe he is this dumb he thinks one of us might be scum. like srsly? I'm going to say this once, and once only. If Koshi flips scum and anyone DARES take credit for it, I will not be held responsible for my actions. | ||
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VE PLEASE be town. I think I need you this game. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:09 Koshi wrote: ^ see that's why WoS is town. He was sucking up to me like this when I died in WCII and I was also on rayn. Yeah because in WCII I was left alive by myself in a town of morons. I hated that game. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:10 marvellosity wrote: yeh same. I had a post directed at you earlier marv, you said there was other stuff you found me scum for, which I commented on. Do you have anything to say about it? | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:11 marvellosity wrote: I'm not implying anything, I've outlined why your contradiction makes you mafia and there's nothing you can say to get out of it, frankly. Except for what my role PM says, of course. Just because god-marv says it doesn't make it so. I really have no idea where you've gotten this attitude that you're completely infallible from. It's so unbelievably frustrating to deal with. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:12 marvellosity wrote: not atm Wave, going to leave off interacting with you about my scumread on you at least, I need to concentrate on more than just you. Fine that's fair. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: Oh cool Vayne took a dive. Is this enough to confirm me as town? Grack answer my question in my post about you. I'll be back shortly. | ||
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Post is here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=57#1124 And yeah marv you and I clearly need to break up for a while. | ||
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On February 11 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will also give you 2 scum as soon as the nominations are up. Did you ever do this? I see Koshi and Oats. | ||
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Answer my question. Or are you saying that you mistook the word 'nominations' for Day 3? | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:45 Grackaroni wrote: What are you even looking to get out of your question? I didn't mistake anything I said I probably wasn't going to do anything until nominations and now, after thinking about it, it would be more accurate to say I probably wasn't going to do much until day3. Vayne is a cool pick up though I'll parse through his filter later. He likes to bus. And you just expect people to take your word for it? Hell, even if you do pick up your activity on Day 3, that's the most scum-motivated thing you could do since for scum, nominations voting day is 'free.' You have extra time to find scum and you should be using it. I don't understand anything you're trying to accomplish this game other than being a troll. If you're town, shape up. If not, get lynched. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:50 Grackaroni wrote: Is there some sort of trap that you were trying to set with this question or are you just trying to reinforce the point that I'm useless? No traps, I'm genuinely curious. It seems you have resolved to be nothing but useless so I see no reason to keep you around. It's a shame I can't do so right now, but then again, you wouldn't have said what you did if you could be eliminated right now, would you have? The fact that you assume that whatever you do a day from now will change my mind doesn't make me feel better about you. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:53 Grackaroni wrote: So why were you so interested in my response to that question? What did you expect to get out of it? Because I wanted to see if you had some sort of plan/read that was pending on who got nominated. I wanted to see if you would offer something to the thread besides nothing. Is that strange to you? Should I have expected to get nothing out of you? | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:34 Koshi wrote: btw Wave will be so pissed when he comes back and he needs to read +400 posts. hihihihihihihi I love it. phoneposting jokes on you, I'm trying to keep up in between patients still dont know who I'm supposed to vote for today. is it marv? if he wants to eject himself from thsi game I have no problems obliging other random stuff VE I <3 u geript is only scum i know absolutely for sure right now so imo he should be next lynch, not VA. Va should be held till late in the game---look at his LYLO and near-LYLO games if you want examples but the not-giving-a shit about anyone attitude and him being terrible this game in general is still more likely town VA he thinks he changes up his games but really he doesnt and I havent been this annoyed with his do-nothingness since early VA games (all of which he was town basically) I've played scum with this guy and the only thing that seems to fit with scum VA is his weird thoughts about who 'should have been nominated for lynch' I'll try to elaborate later but i defs wouldnt lynch him #1 tomorrow anyway Oats could be scum something reminds me of his play that I watched in PYP more later when Im home someone tell me who to vote for | ||
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On February 12 2014 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes actually, they are ignored because all I've been hearing is "VE hasn't done shit this game". Marv why don't you talk to me a little bit about Yamato. I raised a couple of points earlier that gosh, I'd REALLY like your input on, but you're too busy browbeating me for being frustrated that NO ONE IS EVEN TRYING TO SEE MY CONTRIBUTIONS. | ||
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On February 12 2014 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel like Wave is trolling me. Wat. I called you town against all odds in Shadow. You don't think I understand how you feel? Look at half of what I've posted this game. | ||
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##Vote: Keirathi Sorry dudeguy, but your predecessor left you with a scum legacy. | ||
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On February 12 2014 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote: WHATS THE POINT OF THIS WAVE? DONT YOU THINK YOU CAN READ KEIRATHI WITHOUT A VOTE ON HIM? Why are you immediately voting for him without him posting anything? Wat. The slot is scum. Geript had long enough in this game to prove to me he was scum, so it doesn't matter who picks up the slot now. If people could call Koshi town based on 8 posts of Slam's I sure as hell can do the same with Geript after, what, 72+ hours of posting? | ||
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How is it possible you cannot have considered that I was voting for him based on Geript's play? Scum Oats defending/lying or dumb Oats? | ||
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On February 12 2014 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah yeah I was asking why you are doing that instead of letting keir playing the game, How is VA not scummier than geript/Keir? I have already explained my stance on VA multiple times. It's entirely possible I'm wrong and VA IS scum, but I have no reason to vote him before Geript/Keirathi when I'm can be 100% of VA the longer the game goes on. Oats did you really just try to throw Grack's completely legitimate point back in his face even though it makes no sense for you to do so? Quick somebody tell me, does this ridiculousness make Oats town or scum? I think it might be town because I don't remember Oats being this blatantly ridiculous in PYP | ||
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Maybe we talk and you actually do something productive mabes so I can has read on you, rather than you just sitting back and trolling (which by your sig you appear to be quite proud of). | ||
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On February 12 2014 11:50 Grackaroni wrote: You feel pretty off this game. When I was mafia in Golden Sun you made a really threatening series of questions and I thought you were going to trap me. here you asked me why I was going to wait until nominations and said it was important to your read of me and then proceeded to bash on my laziness. In Golden Sun I was 3P. | ||
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On February 12 2014 11:52 Grackaroni wrote: And like I said you steal my reasoning to scum read Koshi and then ignore it when I come in the game later and argue the contrary. We've been over this Grack. I didn't argue the contrary. On February 11 2014 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes it is the same metric, but you talked about it specifically from the POV of the EARLY point in the game. I believe your post was about him reading his role PM and being depressed? Would you expect a scum Koshi to be depressed about reading his scum role PM the entire game? And as far as Koshi goes, nobody wants to talk to me about him or explain anything to me so I see no point in continuing to tunnel all game. If you can't already tell, I don't appreciate anti-town activity. | ||
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On February 12 2014 11:54 Grackaroni wrote: It wasn't even like you got anything out of questioning me at the end you just said if you are town shape up. Because you didn't answer me when I wanted you to. I even explained exactly why I questioned you. No traps, I wanted to see if I could get you to be useful. Why are you re-asking me things we've already been over? | ||
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On February 12 2014 12:17 Grackaroni wrote: You said it was important for my alignment though. I looked back at SMB. You're right I did mention role PMs when talking about Koshi. That was just my way of saying that Koshi looks like he is having less fun in the game when he is mafia. It definitely isn't an early game only sort of thing. It was important for me to be able to determine your alignment if you could come up with a useful and coherent response at the time. You didn't/couldn't so I couldn't make a judgment call. It's way easier for me to do that when I can actually talk with people and I believe up to that point we hadn't had a proper conversation? Let's talk about Oats a little. Why is his weird ragey thing indicative of scum? | ||
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On February 12 2014 12:19 Grackaroni wrote: We probably should have lynched Palmar earlier just in case. Just in case what? None of them were scum. | ||
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Yes very recently. Because I felt like it. Problem? And VA is not my null read at all, he's a townread. Gj though Oats. | ||
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On February 12 2014 12:25 Grackaroni wrote: It just seemed super strange. My impression of him is that normally he's a fairly reasonable person and then he gets more and more ridiculous over time while arguing with people until he makes posts like that. This time it just came out of nowhere which makes me think it's forced. When I looked at his filter he hasn't gotten himself in any real shit fest yet this game. He's not a reasonable person at all. He's completely unpredictable and weird with who he decides to pressure and why, what he finds important or not, and what his activity will or won't be like, and as such I have immense trouble reading him in any game we've been in together. I cba to bring up examples right now. | ||
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On February 12 2014 12:37 Oatsmaster wrote: well if geript didnt replace i wouldnt think its a big deal. I just think its weird that wave is willing to totally ignore/lynch keir even though he clearly wants to play the game and will give input, scum or not. I'm not totally going to ignore him. When did I say that? He's a scumread and I'm voting for him. Doesn't mean I'm not going to listen to him. | ||
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On February 12 2014 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno, you probably shouldnt waste your time on that though. Wave, voting means you intend to lynch him right? And when you intend to lynch someone, you obviously dont really take their opinions seriously because they are scum. Man, I just felt like you voted because geript was your scumread and you should vote for scumreads. I.... I'm going to let what you just said sink in for a minute. | ||
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On February 12 2014 19:32 marvellosity wrote: I can't tell if he's mafia or just town who's gone off the deep end and is irrationally angry with everybody. When I'm one of the ones staying calm in a game something is really odd. Phoneposting Who have I been irrationally angry with? Not only is it clearly not 'everybody' (unless you're trying to be self-centred), but I don't think I've been irrational either. I'll be around most of today so I can actually talk with people while they're around for once, but not for a couple hours yet Note for filter: Yamato singling me out is a little odd---treats me like I pushed him off scum when I post one joking line about him to VE Want to talk about geript/Keri and oats later | ||
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On February 12 2014 19:54 marvellosity wrote: well VA is currently playing against wincon if he's town, so I assume iamp has warned him privately, and VA is continuing to choose not to play. Ofc iamp almost certainly hasn't warned him privately, but his play if he's town is pretty much breaking "play to win" rules. He's done 2 things with his read on Oats and his comments on the nominees that he's refused to explain, and he refuses to explain why Holy is mafia. Whatchagonnado And for the record I agree with this, and it's completely reminiscent of why I used to hate playing with VA when he first started here (the anti wincin stuff) He'd pull this shit as town all the time; I suppose not wanting to eliminate him for it now means I've become more tolerant of some of the stuff people are known for (like coags play) but 6-9 months ago I'd have been pushing for a policy lynch. Or I'm wrong and he is scum and he gets lynched anyway but that I don't know | ||
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On February 12 2014 21:40 marvellosity wrote: Since when have you become more tolerant? I'm sure like 2 games ago you were pushing superhard for a policy lynch on someone for no reason when there was blatant mafia in the thread. Who and when I'm pretty sure since my raging at hosting PYP I've stopped bothering with getting myself worked up over that king of player | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:03 marvellosity wrote: no, I have no theories beyond VA right now. This seems kind of silly to me, especially if you'er tunneling him solely to the exclusion of finding anyone else. I don't understand why we're not lynching Keirathi for example and ignoring literally DAYS of geript play just because of one massive post. Marv you never answered me (or Oats) regarding the business right after the rayn flip. I want to know what people think of Oats because he's a huge ??? for me and I'm not staisfied with only one scum on my list right now. | ||
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He uses the word 'contrived' to talk about VE but that perfectly describes the case in general. It could be bias because I have a townread on VE but his describing the thought of Cora's lynch being 'worrying' is exactly what I would have done were I around (yes I know marv but we've been over this) and I probably would consider that exactly as VE did. I'm not sure why his describing it as such even makes him scum. Another thing I thought about was somebody posted recently (in a postgame or something somewhere? I don't remember) that Keirathi is supposedly some sort of meta master. Where's the meta in this case on VE? (Am I wrong wiht thsi point?) | ||
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I don't think his passivity makes him scum because as scum he could have done way less at this point and still gotten by, and without attempting to give the he has either---reasoning itself which msot people find bad/scummy (and yet the kind that I would give myself as town). I really think Keirathi is nitpicking at little things VE has done surrounding lynch targets when he could probably find equal reasoning (apathetic, throwing votes around, little--->no explanation regarding dropping stuff) around people in the rest of the game. Grack, for one. It looks like he chose a likely mislynch target (as VE says himself) and tried to cook something up halfway believable that would get himself through the day. It's not sufficient imo to get VE lynched, clearly you guys KNOW this because you're not voting him, but it was enough to apparently make nobody consider him all day. And again nobody has even bothered to consider geript's past play today (and specifically what I wrote about him---Oats mentioned it when yelling at me but didn't bother actually discussing it) Geript/Keirathi should be the lynch. | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: I actually disliked Keirathi play more than Geript play. But yes. If not HF then Keirathi is an excellent choice. Can you explain why? And or read what I wrote/comment? Risen you as well (or are you going to ignore my poitns because of 'buddying' for the 5th time this game) | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:33 Risen wrote: I don't think anything of oats. I don't try to read him. I try to have this attitude but I can't help but try to read him. At least I can actually understand the words coming out of his mouth; that's the only reason why I wouldn't read anybody (sorry Slam). | ||
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Is anyone around at ALL that wants to discuss something? Or is everyone content on letting the VA slide through without further discussion? Just tell me now, I'll switch my vote and fuck off 'till post-deadline. | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:40 yamato77 wrote: I like that someone else noted the lack of effort VE has put into his reads. I don't know if I buy the whole "I know I look bad" spiel from him. Instead of attempting to explain his reads, he's just self-admonishing and skating by for it. meeeeeeeeeeeeeh I'm interested to see how Keirathi comes back. He's basically stakes his whole play so far on calling VE mafia (he didn't even TRY to defend his ass reasoning for calling me mafia). Just for fun, I went back and looked at the getmoript filter from LXI, and the style of his play there is quite similar to geript's play this game. He was relatively low-content, and low-activity. This game, as I've already stated, has an odd progression in modes from geript. It's a conscious decision to troll, no? Then why is he so surprised when Palmar calls him out on it? Honestly, reading the exchange again with knowledge of how both players have played since really makes it clear that Palmar was spot on at the time. I'm going to filter Wave some time soon. My impression is mixed. He reads geript scum as well, but honestly, that's not that convincing. I don't remember a single stance he's taken on my alignment the whole game. I know day 1 he was all "VA is town" and stuff when Koshi called him mafia, so there's definitely something to be said about how unsettling this VA lynch is at the moment. First of all, isn't getmoript partially marv? Second, no you know what? I don't think I HAVE taken a stance on your alignment all game. Because you haven't done anything worth being memorable. 'Slipping under the radar,' as it were, despite your activity excuses likely not being fake. I can do it right now if you'd like since there doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot going on | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:48 marvellosity wrote: na i barely played. Were you kicked out right at the start? I couldn't remember when it was, but I suppose that is true then. Yamato where is your vote right now? On February 13 2014 05:46 marvellosity wrote: can anyone tell me how these posts even come close to going together? Marv what are you thinking with this? This actually makes me realize it's time for a reevaluation of Risen. I've had him as a townread since the start but its been s long I can't actually be sure if it still makes sense considering all i remember from Risen recently is complaining about fake rage and my 'buddying.' Yamato and risen filter time. | ||
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You had good feels about me then, and I haven't changed my stance on Oats or VA. Are you suspicious of me now because of this or despite it? Jesus yamato your filter is ass. It's all 'pop in, one liners, sorry gotta go, be angry at thread for random reason.' And cora. You posted a little on geript interspersed with cora here: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2014 15:25 yamato77 wrote: Actually you've just shown you're not reading at all, basically. No need to start now! This is also shit, as is the rest of this interaction from geript's side. Wouldn't mind lynching geript if this is how he's going to paly. This makes no sense. Why is it necessary in a plurality lynch to vote so early on, especially given how little Risen seems to be interested in actually talking about this read? Out of nowhere, Risen just goes "Yeah I think Cora is scum" and then waffles about lynching him, yet now just votes him because "plurality". Ooookay... I generally agree with this post. VA is much less lighthearted as mafia, and this game is devoid of image macros and stupid jokes. As town lately, he has actually shown a penchant to try to find mafia, and this game he doesn't seem nearly as interested. First of all, my post was about the post that I quoted, NOT anything else, so you are again misinterpreting what I've said. Second of all, let's look at what you've said about Koshi and Palmar. This heavily implies you think geript is town. What makes you think that? What makes you think that Palmar is MAFIA for attacking geript for being terrible, even IF geript is town? This is a shallow read. This is the only thing you've said about Koshi. How is this a read? Cora, I fail to understand what you're trying to accomplish this game. As town, you try to scumhunt. This stuff does not satisfy that qualification. Oats, I agree about cora, but what exactly is Rayn doing that makes him mafia? I rather like that he and I generally seem to be on the same page. Also, Marv can get into shitfests as mafia. I withhold judging him until he actually decides to play the game. As of right now, he seems content letting others do the work for him, which tells me nothing about his alignment. But then with Cora gone and you getting what you want, why nto go after geript once you were done as he appeared to be your #2? What are your updated reads because I don't honestly think I have any idea. What have you DONE this game, yamato? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:14 yamato77 wrote: Why not go after geript? Are you reading my posts Wave? I think the number of posts in your filter where you 'go after' geript is like...3. Including the most recent one. Who are you voting for, yamato? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:15 yamato77 wrote: I'm not lynching VA if wave is "fine with it" LOLWUT I'm fine with lynching VA.... Just..... WUT Yamato what the fuck? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:15 yamato77 wrote: Don't know my reads? They are all in that one post you quoted earlier, bro. Jesus. That one post? How long ago did that one post take place yamato? | ||
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Ok, but I have no idea from that post who you think is scum. | ||
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'meehhhhhh' I'm 'interested' and 'my impression is mixed.' Can you show me where you're calling people scum in that post? And after everything why the hell are people just starting to listen now about VA? (Or maybe not since nobody has mvoed their vote off) This lynch is all kinds of wonky and I don't know in which direction. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:25 yamato77 wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow Please tell me other people are reading this. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:28 marvellosity wrote: Wave I'm finding it real hard to side with you this game, and not because you've been snippy with me. If I'm picking sides I'm on yamato's side. So you find no logic in what I'm attacking yamato about and you think his random OMGUS vote out of fucking nowhere is legit? Despite the fact that he said he'd actually look closely in the first place? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:33 yamato77 wrote: I don't have to look closely when these two posts exist ON THE SAME PAGE. What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say I'm fine with lynching VA? When have I EVER been fine with lynching VA?! | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:35 VayneAuthority wrote: alright it was persona 4 mini mafia. I suggest if you actually think yamato is mafia you help me take a look at that one, i get flashbacks from that game Ugh Persona was a horrible game for me, I played like ass and Rayn tunneled me into oblivion despite me fighting it like a mofo. I'm not honestly sure if yamato is mafia, but as he calls me 'thick' it looks like projection because I can't actually believe he is so dumb as to think that I was 'fine' with your lynch anywhere. | ||
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The two are so vastly different there is no comparison. If marv thinks I'm mafia because I'm shit-flingy it's independent of my voice mafia play. not that I agree with you marv because despite being pissed (and at times, kinda rude, I have had some badness brought out of me this game) I have at least offered reasoning/cases for things that I do, unlike people like Grack and to a lesser extent Koshi. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Wave, half the players in this game have basically barely bothered to play. Vayne, Risen, Oats, geript/kei, Corazon, Grack. And when townies basically refuse to play then meh. I'm not even sure what point I'm making right now. I just got "feels" Wave. Risen: sure, why not. I mean he could well be mafia and Grack would be pumped if he flipped mafia probably. That would be cool. Ugh. I actually am somewhat honoured that you'd dare use that on me. | ||
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Alright putting Risen on hold, gonna look at Holy. At first I remember having bad feels about him the same way Keirathi comes back, posts wall of text and leaves, but at least Holy kind of backed his stuff up for a while. Also remember thinking the deliberate mention of Foolishness was......? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote: now if only you'd roll mafia once or twice so i could figure you out for sure. Took me a couple of attempts with rayn and now I read him flawlessly game after game. But it wasn't always so. Hey I already fooled you once, who's to say it can't happen again? | ||
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It's sarcasm you REDACTED. You know, a little annoyance at the fact that I can't interact with anyone properly half the time I'm available. You know? Complaints about thread activity are something you should know a lot about considering your filter is chock full of them. YOU definitely can't be that thick. I'm not getting lynched today so make yourself useful and look into somebody relevant. | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:01 marvellosity wrote: pretty sure that aint gonna fly. Did anyone actually notice that before we started the game? lol I noticed but i don't think I understood exactly how the timeframe of days went; that sentence is horribly formatted/worded. | ||
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On February 13 2014 10:01 Holyflare wrote: It bothers me that people sign up for a game of logic and solving people's alignments to not play, not solve the game, afk vote people that are trying and then get told they "played well" at the end of it. I haven't made a case on koshi so i don't care if he's playing awful but I made a case on you that NOBODY commented on APART FROM YOU. Maybe i'm wrong about you, and then I can look into that and you cran prove me wrong. People straight up ignore things that people put effort into and that is total shit play and it frustrates me to no end to the point where I don't want to play and understand why marv wanted to get lynched off on nominations day. This sounds mighty familiar. Koshi IS playing like shit and people have townreads on him for similar reasons to Grack\. I completely understand Holy's frustrations here. Re: Lynch VA flips town, can still read him. As per above though wish he didn't play like ass balls when town because it makes games fucking impossible to win even if he DIDN'T get mislynched because then we get no help. Some mighty shifty stuff going on with that lynch; never got to do dive of you Holy but I've got plenty of time now it seems over the next couple days. No clue who is going to be nommed, going to analyze a little. Also for filter, do voting analysis when I get a chance. Gotta read Keirathi's pre-lynch stuff closely, still likely scum. | ||
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Make of it what you will. I don't think scum would try a three-town nom again because they're eventually going to run out of options (if we don't lose next cycle) if they continue that way. Of the three nominated I believe the most likely scum to be Koshi. ##Vote: Koshi If I can be around to discuss or do the reads/things I've promised I will most assuredly do so but for now it's simply not a reality. | ||
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On February 14 2014 14:37 Oatsmaster wrote: What. Why would they risk us lynching scum instead of making it 5-4 tmr? If we lynch scum then its 6-3 tmr, which is a pretty big swing. Wave scum. And you assume that everyone from those lists of people that everybody is constantly all over is town? Good luck with that in LYLO. Even if I weren't lynching because I assume one of them to be scum, Koshi is still the best choice as if he is town, as he has been by far the most useless of the three. | ||
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I can't fight if you guys want to lynch me I'm not ready to lose this game but ill accept the blame if you lynch me cause I'm afk Just know its not by choice | ||
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Shit quality posts and I can't do the diving I promised from phone I can't consistently post eirher Excuses maybe but I don't lie about activity Ever | ||
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I feel guily myself because I want to be posting/helping to push keir lynch but I can't I like playing this game too much to ever fuck off without good reason | ||
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On February 14 2014 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote: thats not alignment indicative and totally dickish. Why are you such a dick Wave. Dont phone post then. get lynched and lose because your ego is too big. Fuck you oats. You want an actual explanarion of my life right now I don't like bringing RL into this shit of course its not alignment indicative | ||
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Try going to school and having a 14 month old child with 101 degree fever If you're doing this on purpose to make me rage like palmar then be fucking ashamed of yourselves. | ||
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On February 14 2014 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote: you know what you should do? Either read the game and post, or dont post at all. Like both things are fine. Posting excuses is not. Finished with you oats. You can join kush on my shit list. Palmar I can understand that, and I personally believe there's stuff I could have posted that could make you change your mind but its probably too late for that | ||
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Nor open multiple tabs and sift through shit like normal Normally I would just sit back and do nothing as oats so kindly suggested because what little effort I offered woukdnt be enough but when I see people call me out for intentionally afking it makes me upset considering the reasons I have There is absolutely no point in arguing this any further, and I have zero desire to interact with oats as bhes just going to get me modkilled. Either lynch me or don't; if I can post properly then I promise I will. If. Not, wjat will be will be | ||
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At this point I believe the effort I require to put into this game requires a period of a few hours which I haven't had. Maybe I could have phoneposted a little more but in my opinion anything I offered of that sort is going to e shit because I can't go filtering and back stuff up The point has been belaboured eniugh. Ido agree that there are scum afk. Keir for sure and maybe yamato as well considering how oddly he's behaved toward me.its something I've wanted to look into for a while (as well as HF) but I haven't been able to. | ||
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So if I can post then it'll be some huge thinfs that people won't read This gsme is most likely going to be out of my hands from now on so I hope you guys make the rigt choices | ||
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On February 15 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote: I don't think martyring is particularly telling one way or the other. But the difference is that holyflare was raging about in-game stuff, ie: he was mad that he wasn't being listened to. WoS is just mad that people are calling him scum. I don't know this game hard. I'm not mad about being called scum I'm mad that peole think my aflking means I'm scum. Bbl | ||
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##vote: keirathi Geript was scum so is keirathi. Not going to make excuses for my activity because apparently that's a dick thing to do, but I won't be around much. | ||
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Nothng to see heeereeeee Thought I could let town carry me to victoire while I ws gone but its a no go Scumlynch is good I was right about geript no sruprise Don't lynch VEprobs grackl | ||
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I will be around to helkp solve tomorrow night We can defs wib this Only 3 left | ||
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Until then, I'm just trying to avoid a modkill. Unless there's some strong reason I should be doing otherwise, I'm voting Grack. ##vote:grackaroni | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Not enough votes on VE, get me outta this hell-hole. If I'm coming back, you're sticking around. | ||
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I had my doubts about VE's towniness in Shadow game. Here there is absolutely no chance of VE flipping scum and I have no clue wtf Palmar is trying to do. I suppose I'm not one to talk here because I've afked (for reasons mostly beyond my control) for like 4 days but the fact remains that there were and are people in this game with townreads that don't deserve them. If Grack is 90% town, VE is 100%. I know which one I want around to help us fucking win this game. | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll literally ignore you just to spite you if you don't vote for me Wave. Don't do that. Martyring is fucking stupid and the cowards way out. I hate catering to that shit. If Palmar is pissing you off then just don't deal with him. | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:12 Grackaroni wrote: Don't do it Wave. He's a solid mislynch. LOL VE is not getting mislynched. I'm actually surprised scum didn't take advantage of it while I wasn't around, but while I'm here he doesn't get mislynched. I'd rather be dealing with people in this game I know I can talk to and make sense. | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Vote me out Wave I'm not even fucking around. I'm not catering to martyring VE. Sack up and play the game. | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:16 Grackaroni wrote: well then if you are town you better hope Palmar gets better at mafia. You first. | ||
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On February 18 2014 09:18 Grackaroni wrote: Wave's been afk so long. What's he been doing anyway. Seems like a pretty shitty way to play if he is scum. Hey Hey guess what | ||
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On February 18 2014 10:18 Risen wrote: I'll be sticking to the plan I outlined, though really everyone needs to be on a single person or town just loses. ##vote: waveofshadow is not gonna fly w/me. Also we may be of different alignments. So Risen, care to explain why you'd bother contradicting yourself in your very first post of the new day? VE/Palmar: I don't honestly know where to begin with today...I could probably start with stuff that was bugging me before I left but as far as I remember people weren't exactly paying attention to me then, so i don't know if there's much of a point now. | ||
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On February 18 2014 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote: So read what you've missed and get back with us. I'm not sure what you directed that statement at us for, were you going for some direction? Take a look at Risen and yamato if you get bored. Grack had a hardon for Holyflare. Mostly your objective opinion on stuff that has been said since you have been gone would be most helpful I think. Essentially was looking for direction, yeah. I remember thoughts I had while reading at the time were along the lines of wtf yamato/Oats, VE town Holy probably town, no idea about Grack, but I should probably do a full re-read to see if anything stood out in particular. | ||
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On February 18 2014 20:37 Palmar wrote: Oats did get emotional once this game though... so there's that. This is one of those things about Oats I can't understand, btw. I'm still part of the way through my re-read of stuff, but I remember I wanted people to comment on this when it happened days ago. Palmar do you think this...whatever it was makes Oats likely to be town? | ||
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##Vote: yamato Too much weird shit from him this game, not enough yamato-y tryharding, afked way too hard to be town. When yamato is town and afks at the very least he tends to come back, get pissed at people AND brings something useful alongside it, unless I'm remembering his games wrong. And he was pissed off at the stupidest things this game---town for the cora lynch, me for this: when I was very obviously being facetious, except then he left his vote on be and fucked off for the rest of the day even after I explained it very clearly to him. Like....forged misunderstanding if that makes any sense? Anyway, at the very least I'm comfortable lynching one of those two today, though I feel like if I voted Oats I'd be somewhat sheeping because I can never read that guy, unless somebody can explain shit to me about him. Maybe I'll do a Wave-style filter dive and actually see if I can get something useful out of it. Still reading, will be around every so often for questions/discussion. | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:00 Palmar wrote: You need to sheep I thought that said sleep at first. Obviously I will by the end of the day to avoid a last-second scenario but until then I don't see the problem in having my vote on someone who is likely to be that end of the day target. Why Oats over yamato Palmar? Talk to me about Oats because nobody ever seems to want to. | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:13 Palmar wrote: I don't know Wave. I don't think yamato's filter is particularly bad. Now, it's easy not posting badly when you don't post at all, but whatever. WoS, do you think there is mafia in me/ve/hf? Can you go back and look at the interaction between yamato and I that starts on page 108 and still say that? Now, if you're mafia we lost days ago...it's really unlike me to resign myself to that fact and not go all conspiracy but trying to go after you at this point is completely unproductive ESPECIALLY in this kind of setup where your team would have had to risk you multiple times, ESPECIALLY Nom1, where imo you were most likely lynch candidate. Yes, big risk = big payoff but I don't think I've yet played in a game of Mafia where scum did anything like that (I know they exist but I've never seen it). VE is not scum because I say so. As far as reads go, I can probably read him the best out of anyone in this game---there is nothing he has done at all this game that leads me to believe I should be worried about it. Super confident there. HF is a different story, and while I was in agreement about a lot of his stuff re:grack and some of his earlier pushes, he's just been wrong about EVERYTHING this game. Although then again thinking about it, why would mafia be okay with being completely wrong AND putting forth the effort to push through lynches that would make him look bad all game? And the stuff like the unnecessary case on Cora....were he scum he could have just sat back and got Cora lynched without implicating himself. I dunno KISS says likely town. Not supremely confident but it clearly makes the most sense. I guess by PoE scumteam has to be Risen/Oats/yamato in that case? Makes sense to me, though it means I was wrong about Risen from D1 (which is possible, though I haven't read into Risen much since I gave him that early townread even though I said I was going to). | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: And I can't quantify why Oats is mafia right now. I just think he is. It's mostly got to do with him being so wobblycloggerish. I don't know what that means, but is there a game in which he isn't? | ||
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Which didn't make sense to me then, nor now. I asked marv about it, he said my play was 'shit flingy,' and then this: On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Wave, half the players in this game have basically barely bothered to play. Vayne, Risen, Oats, geript/kei, Corazon, Grack. And when townies basically refuse to play then meh. I'm not even sure what point I'm making right now. I just got "feels" Wave. Risen: sure, why not. I mean he could well be mafia and Grack would be pumped if he flipped mafia probably. That would be cool. So essentially marv had 'feels' that yamato wasn't scum, and thought I looked worse than he did. Would you agree? | ||
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More stuff I read: VA also had Oats as a scumread along with Geript/Keir and HF... If throughout I find that more people talked about Oats without him being pushed as a reasonable lynch there may be good reason for that. I wonder if a better question than 'Can anyone read Oats' is 'does anybody think he is town (and why)?' | ||
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On February 13 2014 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote: nommed people probably Palmar+Koshi+town out of me/hf/grack/Risen. How many times did Oats do this and was right? Does scum do this for WIFOM? Ugh | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote: he did it night 1 too, I think. I re-read that earlier today. Yeah. It's funny because I remember thinking the same thing about the nom lynches but I don't know what his goal was by announcing it. As town would you be trying to WIFOM scum into doing something different? As scum are you trying to make people think ' no way would scum announce what you are about to do?' | ||
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Grack keeps bringing everything back to him when HF is also trying to drive conversation elsewhere. Palmar stop intentionally pissing people off. Also this, when called out for VE being missing on his list of players On February 14 2014 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote: apparently not. Huh. Thats interesting. and never adds him. First thing he does when he comes back is gloat about being right about Noms. Fuck SOMEBODY tell me what Oats is. I can't pinpoint anything he does from one specific perspective because his play is so erratic. | ||
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On February 16 2014 00:47 yamato77 wrote: I do like that idea. Marv was a shithead this game. On February 15 2014 23:25 yamato77 wrote: I'd lynch Keir or VE, like I've been saying. I suppose Palmar is right. I should trust the geript read over trying to make sense of how these lynches are happening. I don't have the time today to really make a concerted push away from Keir anyway, so if he's not mafia, the game is over. If he is, I'll get one more crack at solving this thing for certain on Sunday. ##Vote: Keirathi Input from VE looks good. On February 16 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: This is me thinking logically. If you're town there is literally no way you could have a greater scumread on me than players like Risen/HF/Oats. It's like, impossible. So I think you're scum. On February 16 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Further, Keir had a "scumread" on you that he's been completely unwilling to push or even discuss. If Keir flips scum, you're next. <3 Next: On February 16 2014 03:45 Palmar wrote: I sincerely hope that at least one of you guys is town. Otherwise this is some next level trolling. I've seen the difference between scum-scum interaction and town-town or town-scum and it's actually usually picked out as 'fake' pretty quickly a lot of the time. Still say it's likely they're both town here but otherwise yeah all the interaction says is they're not BOTH scum. | ||
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He actually does get involved re: VE though I disagree with his read and don't really understand where it's coming from at all. And then he backs off pretty quick. ugh. On February 16 2014 04:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I've hated how all game you've been like "WTF no one is doing anything" whilst not doing anything yourself. I've hated how you've had nothing positive to add to anything all game. And yes, now I hate how you've got a scumread on me for inactivity while doing fuck-all yourself. Get over it. Do something if you're town. Otherwise let me and HF do our thing. I don't know how anyone can think VE is scum when he posts like this imo. Still defs sure of him. | ||
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On February 18 2014 23:31 Palmar wrote: Thing about that yamato read is that he was never going to push off keir, so why expose himself to the idea that he may have wanted not to lynch keir. it makes little sense from scum perspective. Ehhh. Reading through into the post-Keir lynch stuff I'm thinking I could be wrong about yamato but then if I'm wrong about yamato that means I must be wrong about one of you/HF/VE. (Of those three HF most likely scum.) I may still have been biased from that weird shit he had with me before I left (because that still looks awful from my POV) but stuff since then has been somewhat better I guess? Risen imo looks a whole lot worse after Keir went down, and while I agree with your idea of policy-ing him for effect, I really want to win this game so I would advise against it (also I feel like that's not likely to be a deterrent anyway). I'd rather we lynch him for being scum than being a meta-dick as town. I've spammed a shit-ton on this page so I'ma take a break and come back to the rest later, hopefully when other people are around. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote: sure. I think Oats is scum, if I assume you're town. But we have two other scums in that pool of three. Currently I'm kinda working under the assumption WoS is the town in that group. But I'm very unsure that is the correct read. A good assumption imo. But again if we're voting Oats today it's sheep for me because I still have no clue what makes him scum specifically. Also HF I'm assuming he means the group of me/oats/risen (since he seems to think yamato is town)? | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote: I think oats is town :o On February 18 2014 22:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright well of my three yamato seems like the best choice from what I remember and where I am in my re-read. Moving on. More stuff I read: VA also had Oats as a scumread along with Geript/Keir and HF... If throughout I find that more people talked about Oats without him being pushed as a reasonable lynch there may be good reason for that. I wonder if a better question than 'Can anyone read Oats' is 'does anybody think he is town (and why)?' | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:15 Holyflare wrote: I was away for that bro! and I've definitely posted 1 or 2 things for him being town but I'm just comparing his meta's now and i'll get back with more info! I know I'm just restating. | ||
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VE you want sheep? Also I am a huge sucker for feels but I still wish there was something concrete on Oats so I could understand him for future games. | ||
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I'll read that later but if it's a Holy-case on Oats it almost makes me think we should do the opposite to be right.... | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:35 Holyflare wrote: I'm talking about your logic being flawed by the way. You think wave is town so your scum team would be oats/risen/yamato but I think oats is town so my scum team is risen/yamato/wave, the best lynch would be on the people that we think are scum together rather than the outlier that you do not know about because you didn't read his games clearly enough x_x... Also, if oats IS town like I think he is, he is now asleep so if we vote yamato who we both think is scum then the scum team (because they are 3 people) can just vote a towny and win the game. The safest option is to therefore vote for risen who oats is voting for because he is the common theme in all of our scum teams and also the person who is being voted for by the now sleeping oats. If oats is scum he's bussing the person we think is scum so we should then vote risen anyway? Man has a point, problem is I trust Palmar over you buddeh, and I never had a chance to look over Risen (though by PoE he should be in my scumteam, unless I'm wrong about you) At least in sheeping Palmar/VE on Oats I have a decent feeling about it...also if it makes any sense I have a better feeling about it since your case and Palmar's counter. ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Why can't Oats be scum if one of you/VE/HF are? And why am I scum now? | ||
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On February 19 2014 07:11 Palmar wrote: I wish we could get yamato to come back to the thread to lynch Oats. WoS, Risen, HF, you should all get on Oats. I did. And I agree re: the Risen point and understood it when he made it but I didn't fully follow the Oats thing. | ||
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Happy Birthday austin! Who is umasi count VisceraEyes (1): VayneAuthority (5): Oatsmaster, Keirathi (1): WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster (0): Holyflare (4): WaveofShadow (1): yamato77 Grackaroni (0): Currently, VayneAuthority is set to be lynched. If you see a mistake, please notify us. Voting is mandatory. 4 min remain On February 14 2014 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I think its far more likely that the scum spread their votes around because they didnt need to vote for town over scum. Huh the way my scum reads currently fall is that every scum is on different people. Thats interesting. I think the way we win this game is to figure out who is town out of the remaining not townie people. Currently Im thinking Wave/VE actually. ##unvote ##Vote: Risen ##Perfectscumrecord: WaveofShadow | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Fuck off Wave. U 2 Holy. </3 Hey I could have invoked the name but I didn't | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:36 marvellosity wrote: on the bright side, at least i solved wave You say that, but I get the feels that I'm going to get mislynched a lot going forward. Speaking of feels....way too many of those this game. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:41 Palmar wrote: btw, I'm policy lynching anyone who claims afk or too busy to play. You're welcome to and there was a long time where this was all I wanted to do; unfortunately it likely ends in more town losses than mafia losses. What makes a lot of sense marv? I fully believe you've come up with stuff that makes me scum more conclusively, but I'm just saying that I get the feeling I may get mislynched more often now. If it's postcount you think is one of those reasons imo then I'll definitely be mislynched the next time something comes up. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:47 marvellosity wrote: the things that made you scum just aren't present in your towngames. Quite often you say weird things or things i disagree with when you're town... here it was different. btw i'm only talking about the stuff when i was alive, i didn't follow enough after to know what you did then. Well I look forward to next time then. Also yeah...this game was so damn frustrating at times...I think there may have been a little scum bias involved but I still have no fucking clue why you guys said Koshi/Grack are town. Just so many reads, so little analysis all game. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:47 gonzaw wrote: Yeah, everybody says the same thing after it happens, but they still do and they still survive I wish there were lots of things to policy lynch for...ragequitting, getting "demotivated", pulling the "sorry guys if you lynch me I'll understand!" card, pulling the "vig please shoot me" or the "please lynch me tomorrow" card, and more. Seem like lazy ways to play mafia to me perhaps :/ Like, you can do nothing all game long, make a single post, use puppy eyes, and everything is all good and dandy and you survive until endgame or something? If you want to win play, not use those types of excuses to WIFOM townies into not killing you. Meh, I guess it's easier for scum to do that. Someone should make a "Policy lynch" list in a thread or something and just beat everybody with it until people start lynching off it. If not everybody forgets. Again the issue is in my case, maybe I used some WIFOM to try and get town not to kill me but I had every intent to play, and I can promise you I would have done the same as town. There was a foreseen period where I was going to be afk, but also a huge unforeseen period right before that that was unexpected, and I got legitimately really pissed at Oats for calling me a dick because of it. If people expect that people should just afk and let themselves be modkilled if stuff like that happens I don't know what to say. For the record I was also considering replacing out but Geript beat me to it, and I would have felt really bad if that influenced town in some way (which it always seems to) so I stuck it out. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:59 Palmar wrote: I also wish you'd have let me kill you VE, having an overzealous lynch HF grack in lylo would've been fun. This actually would have been the better play imo. At least to me, Grack was a way bigger threat considering he actually had the mafia team basically nailed down, and it was only a matter of time before he was finally able to convince someone. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote: why didnt WoS get the belt? he played by far the best No disagree. HF carried us through a huge period of inactivity (by choice or not) and stayed just on the line between town and scum enough that nobody was really able to nail him down with any confidence (aside from Grack...?). Were I around more and didn't have to afk half the game I'd have had a shot at it maybe, but hands down HF deserves it. | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:01 marvellosity wrote: matter of opinion. the case against wave was pretty strong early on, it was just ignored. lol what was the case against me early on? I don't even remember. I think it was like you calling me 'shit-flingy' or something. | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:02 marvellosity wrote: yeah people tend to underestimate how important it is for scum to simply be active and posting. This. | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:03 marvellosity wrote: your whole push on koshi was nonsense, then you said "well i'm just glad i had my vote on mafia at the end of the day" which no townie ever says ever, into promptly dropping the case for no reason. That was the central story, there was attitude gubbins around that. Eh...I can get behind that but at the time I truly didn't understand why everybody had such solid reads on him---like he hadn't done a damn thing. | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:05 VayneAuthority wrote: honestly unless you or some one else ever planned on lynching WoS it doesn't matter in the end because I would have never lynched him even in 3 way. lol I know you say you change up your meta and whatnot but I'm surprised so many people had such an issue reading you. My town-case on you was so solid---I would have been legit pissed at your activity if I were town | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:06 Holyflare wrote: rolled mafia in 5/8 games, fml 2/27 lol | ||
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The setup is interesting, but I don't really feel like we had any room to do anything other than use the noms as our NK. | ||
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I love playing scum and will likely love it every time, maybe because I'm actually decent at it rather than as town, where all I can do is not get lynched. As mafia that's essentially the entire game plan. | ||
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