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On February 03 2014 05:40 Holyflare wrote: /in GOTTA GET DAT BELT THO You missed me  | ||
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On February 07 2014 15:31 yamato77 wrote: Also, that's an easy way to get yourself some confirmed town. that's why you put scum in the nominations if you are scum........ | ||
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On February 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Surprise surprise. I don't even think I need role PMs anymore at this point, I can just assume. I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along. Now, time to gather some feels. On February 07 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote: I'm thinking I'm going to lynch you if you even say that word CALLING YOU OUT | ||
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Corazon This guy! I always think he's mafia. In like every game I play with him. After the Titanic II fiasco I think I've read enough of his games and got a good enough grasp of his posting style to know when he is town or not. Firstly, Cora's reactions as scum are "worries", "defences" and "tunnel", "omgus butthurt", when he is town he can display 2 responses. If he is getting focused on it will be "butthurt", "heavy defences" and "questioning suspicions" if he is not getting focused on it is "questioning suspicions", "making cases". So in order to differentiate between the two forms of play you have to determine two things: 1. Is he under pressure? 2. Are suspicions about players being questioned or is he just telling us his concerns/nothingness? First and foremost here are some filters for you to peruse to get a feel of what I am talking about: A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia - Scum Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII - Scum This Town Aint Big Enough Mafia - Town A Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack" - Town Titanic II - Town Back to the Basics - Town Now, with regards to this game, I have NEVER (in all his database games (and I did check them ALL)) seen cora start by calling himself vanilla town (there is one time where he states he's town for the bajillionth time in bluelightz though). So when I see someone post something like: On February 08 2014 09:49 Corazon wrote: when they have never done that in the games that I have seen them play (and the majority are town games) then I think to myself, "what has changed in his mentality where he thinks he should post this?"Hey guys, I'm Vanilla Town. Just letting you all know so that when you doubt my alignment, I can reference this post. Thank you. So, based on that I was red flagged to his playstyle and decided to look at him closer on my read through and lo and behold his posting style aligned more and more to a Corazon. It was initially pointed out by Yamato here: + Show Spoiler [+++Yamato] + On February 08 2014 19:01 yamato77 wrote: RE: Cora Didn't care for this bit: Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then Turns around and does the same stupid thing. I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway. but this is quintessential scum play. He calls out someone for something that he is also guilty of. Check this from a quiet game of mini mafia (check links above to see situation (it's right at the start) where he is scum: On January 07 2014 11:22 Corazon wrote: I'm worried about Iamp. He seems to be attacking everyone nonsenically. Reminds me of scum Xatalos in Titanic II. He's just trying to throw shit on people and see what sticks. On January 07 2014 11:48 Corazon wrote: @Iamp It's nonsensical because you suggested right off the bat that you should lynch me. How is that sensical? he says he is "worried about things" and portrays his worries onto people even though he is randomly attacking people in that game too. Now, this wouldn't be alignment indicative if it wasn't for his major differences of approach between alignments. Here is a post in a similar light from Back to the Basics: On November 21 2013 00:44 Corazon wrote: Alright I'm going to respond to the general criticism on me, the brunt of it being in Mocsta's case and then everyone else just rewording it. First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum. The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol. I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him. On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me. On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up. I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13). When cora is questioned or highlighted that he is scum (but is town), he reacts in games by defending himself heavily (read titanic, b2b, etc etc etc.) but ALSO throws in points about everyone else in the game while defending himself heavily so as to try and determine other people's alignments while defending. However, when he is scum (in a quiet game) his posts get a lot shorter, randomly throw suspicion on a person (in quiet game it was yamato) and then states that he's doing scum hunting with what was available and showed it by attacking (yamato in that case). This is EXACTLY what has happened in this game, he defends himself but doesn't try and determine anyone's alignments. He makes a bigger post that just says people are wrong and defends himself but doesn't point to anything further and then the rest of his posts are all short, accusatory posts at palmar while defending geript. On February 09 2014 08:08 Corazon wrote: I'm not going to say anything about Geript here but your statement is 100% wrong. Geript is like this in every situation. How does cora know so vehemently that the rage was indeed not faked? To be 100% wrong is pretty confident and he seems so sure of an unflipped player that at the start he was questioning for not scum hunting that it seemed very odd to point this out at the time. He continues his posts with no theme to scum hunting but instead random accusatory posts (like his scum games) on Palmar: On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote: We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum. He has no input in the rest of the game and when called out by grack on his palmar stance he replies: On February 09 2014 11:49 Corazon wrote: Not yet. I'll give Palmar some more time to do something useful. He continues the tunnel: On February 10 2014 02:14 Corazon wrote: To be honest, I just want to survive to D2 so I can do analysis on the D1 voting patterns and have better reads. I'm not going to get myself worked up to defend myself because you guys won't listen to me anyways. ##Vote: Palmar Come on guys. Read the game. After all the Palmar suspicion and telling us to vote for him he just... completely drops that entire read and tells us to read the game but then votes someone for doing the exact same thing he is doing??? On February 10 2014 02:22 Corazon wrote: Jk this is more right than the Palmar lynch. ##unvote ##Vote: Koshi A lot of things happened in the game. Many things were said but the way he picks and chooses responses is increasingly odd and he seems so focused on Palmar (tunnel = +++scum) rather than anything else that I can only see this coming form a scum cora. ##Vote Corazon Can answer questions briefly, only had time to write this much sorry babez xxxxxxx <3 | ||
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On February 10 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote: I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it This is how cora plays scum based on research (in the above post). | ||
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On February 10 2014 08:49 Koshi wrote: Well yeah. Not enough people here. Nobody leading stuff. This is a townlynch. One of marv / rayn is going to be scum most likely. or both. why aren't you here? How about some elaboration? Your vote is still on cora after saying this. | ||
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On February 10 2014 06:10 Koshi wrote: Well I can vote Cora. But let it be known that I supported a VA lynch way more. For the belt. ##unvote ##vote: Cora On February 10 2014 08:49 Koshi wrote: Well yeah. Not enough people here. Nobody leading stuff. This is a townlynch. One of marv / rayn is going to be scum most likely. or both. why aren't you here? Put's downa vote on cora. Says the wagon IS A town lynch while STILL having his vote on cora all along. Like what's the point of this? His initial vote on cora doesn't even say WHY he is lynching cora. It just says he's voting for him but he still wants to lynch VA. After being called out on it he says it was bs to trick people? wut? On February 10 2014 06:24 Palmar wrote: Btw Cora's filter was shorter than expected. This feels a bit off, but I'm just going to vote him anyway. Let's just assume mafia is not defending each other ##Unvote ##Vote: Corazon Read my filter for the reasons, I had already pointed some stuff about him out. I also hated his early "get off the hook" post, and tbh, fuck him for wanting to kill me. While you may have listed 1000000000 reasons for cora being mafia in your filter, why did you NOT put a vote down until after my case? In fact, if all your reasons are before my case then my case is the only convincing factor for you to lynch him. I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it makes it more likely he'll flip AND if he flips mafia he's basically confirming me as town. You display hesitance that all of your reads up to that point are head scratching from mafia cora but then you also use all of those reasons that you previously mentioned to then vote him? Which is is it? Is he mafia because of them or town because of them? Why even qualify your read with a "this feels off" and then vote him anyway? On February 10 2014 04:04 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote: Corazon only "real" lynch i like i guess before real full blown steam on cora was ahead, this vote went down ^^^^^ after wagon of justice the below happens On February 10 2014 07:54 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote: oatsmaster shenanigans I don't even know what's in his mind about cora or oats.... just shenanigans after saying cora was the only one he liked the look of lynching? Are all these people scum or what? | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:31 yamato77 wrote: I'll be back later when I don't want to scream at this thread. "i take all the credit for calling him mafia" Flips town "I hate the thread" ................? | ||
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Click me! Palmar is there any reason you appear right at the deadline instead of before it just to insult cora? | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:38 Grackaroni wrote: Did cora get killed in titanic 2? I didn't pay much attention that game lol. He called everyone that put suspicion on him (me, dp etc) scum and hard defended himself all game (what pretty much all of my post was about) which you should have read and KNOWN about and then rage shot me even though I was trying to solve the game. | ||
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this game was so so far removed from B2B and titanic cora.... | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote: These are some pretty crazy suspicious votes that you guys have put down. These all occur after my case on cora being mafia was made and it looked pretty damn certain that he was going to get lynched. (I'll check the votes before too because a few of those looked bad as well) I'll highlight the suspicious things for you. Put's downa vote on cora. Says the wagon IS A town lynch while STILL having his vote on cora all along. Like what's the point of this? His initial vote on cora doesn't even say WHY he is lynching cora. It just says he's voting for him but he still wants to lynch VA. After being called out on it he says it was bs to trick people? wut? While you may have listed 1000000000 reasons for cora being mafia in your filter, why did you NOT put a vote down until after my case? In fact, if all your reasons are before my case then my case is the only convincing factor for you to lynch him. You display hesitance that all of your reads up to that point are head scratching from mafia cora but then you also use all of those reasons that you previously mentioned to then vote him? Which is is it? Is he mafia because of them or town because of them? Why even qualify your read with a "this feels off" and then vote him anyway? before real full blown steam on cora was ahead, this vote went down ^^^^^ after wagon of justice the below happens I don't even know what's in his mind about cora or oats.... just shenanigans after saying cora was the only one he liked the look of lynching? Are all these people scum or what? | ||
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On February 10 2014 10:01 Grackaroni wrote: I always argue with my scum reads. It's really helpful honestly. Grack, why did you take no stance on Cora the entire game despite him being the main wagon, the most voted player, looking scummy and being town? You even questioned his intentions with Palmar here: On February 09 2014 11:46 Grackaroni wrote: Cora do you want to vote Palmar? On February 09 2014 15:09 Grackaroni wrote: You've been insinuating that he is scum/should be lynched. What did you think of his responses and then why did you not portray those feelings to us so as to give us more information on the main lynch candidate? Also, why did you use a throwaway vote on risen with no explanation: On February 10 2014 03:44 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I give up for today. Risen safe lynch; best lynch NA. ##Unvote: VA ##Vote: Risen but then not push for his lynch, question him or argue with him (seeing as you just stated that arguing with your scum suspect is good) | ||
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On February 10 2014 03:05 Grackaroni wrote: I think lynching Koshi is a bad idea. and Also, in regards to your thought process. You stated: On February 10 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me. If marv was the only person you felt it necessary to address when someone talks to you then why was your throwaway vote on risen and NOT on marv? They both would have meant equally as little but then your vote would be on the person you thought was scum? As well as this you JUST stated that: If it was a close lynch I would have moved my vote either on to Corazon or on to somebody else depending on the situation. After everything you have said about marv after placing your "safe" vote onto risen why would cora be your chosen candidate if the lynch was any closer?? | ||
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On February 10 2014 10:52 Grackaroni wrote: Koshi's posting is very carefree and doesn't seem like his scum posting. Marv made himself hard to read so I went with a safe lynch rather than a riskier lynch. I could have voted Marv, but I'm not sold on him either. It depends on who the lynch candidates were. If it was between Oats and Cora I would have moved to Cora. If it was between Cora and WoS there is definitely a possibility I would have moved it to WoS. I don't understand. Your risen read came out of nowhere even though people posted reasons why he could be town. You then state that risen is unreadable: On February 10 2014 10:42 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know if he is scum. There was nobody else I felt strongly about lynching though. Safe as in difficult to read and bad reads as town. If that's the case why did you differentiate between risen and marv as lynch candidates when marv was the person you had talked more about? Your WoS read is.... doesn't exist? The only mention of WoS you have in your filter is: On February 10 2014 03:53 Grackaroni wrote: I could definitely see Risen doing that as scum. What do you think of WoS, Palmar? and nothing else. So why would he have been a better candidate than the people that shut you out of discusssion and didn't reply to things that you had stated? Or the person that you voted as a "safe" vote? You had 4 candidates then: WoS, Cora, Risen and Marv? | ||
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On February 10 2014 11:15 Grackaroni wrote: Oh god no I had like 8 or 9 candidates. You haven't mentioned all your candidates then? I don't get it. If you increase suspicion because people don't respond to you talking to them then why don't you move onto your next candidate and try and get a better read on them by talking to them instead of just stating that you have "x" number of candidates and hoping people can read your mind? Why don't you tell the thread this stuff until you are asked to? | ||
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For everyone else, wave's long post is really odd. His scum read was koshi but then when koshi "lied" about wave's case wave made that giant post that said nothing other than koshi totes lying and here's why. It was a colossal defence post ment to implicate koshi. He then asked me for conclusions from my questioning about whether people were town or not before nominations occur and it's not our lynch phase. Both he and grack have almost no mention of cora wagons as far as i remember (grack definitely doesn't after i questioned him). Will post more when I'm back from uni, hold tight. Marv was town like halfway through day 1 by the way, why did you take so long to notice? He was asking about people, pointing out things and being agreeable with that touch of marv ego assholeishness. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare when you get back could you explain what exactly is that you find scummy in those posts/stances from people you quoted right before and after the deadline. Would rather do it after nominations tbh which is probably around the time I'll be back. Got 2 scum i think though. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare when you get back could you explain what exactly is that you find scummy in those posts/stances from people you quoted right before and after the deadline. And if you don't know what's scummy about them then you have no hope as a mafia player! One was a safe vote on a guy that wasn't mentioned, another was an unexplained shenanigans and the other one was what looked like someone saying this lynch looks bad, he can't be doing this as scum but voting him anyway? | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCKING EXPLAIN WHAT YOU PEOPLE MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THINGS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Why are you angry at this? Just make them explain themselves to get a better picture. | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I JUST asked Risen to explain his own comment in further detail, then Koshi came in and did the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. But it's "not so towny anymore" when i force people to explain their actions? | ||
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Why point out that i responded to your case really late, i was playing lol when you made it WITH YOU ON TS and went straight to bed afterwards? | ||
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Also, wave, wtf are you doing? You just went through gracks filter and pointed out everything I had already brought to light to then reach.... no conclusion, yet, that was the thing you criticised/questioned me for? Also your post which has pre-flip associations in it shouldn't at all after your last 2 games: (Vengeful Mafia) On February 07 2014 08:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Disagree. We have direct control over a lynch, not who gets shot. The shooters can technically do whatever they want despite what they may say, and they may or may not mean they're scum. If we lynch two people who then shoot town, and then game doesn't end either way, then we know one of them was scum---the only thing that the 'guaranteed' information matters is for association cases, which I have very little faith in lately. (Shadow Mafia) I've kidna forgotten about Toad so I dunno where I am on that. Thinking of it now I figure much of our downfall this game has been association so I don't think I want to start looking into waht pairs make sense and what don't. We REALLY should be lynching on merits alone, and then once we have a flip we can start attempting to associate (but even then I'd lean towards solo analysis). So why did you start out the game with pre-flip associations in your mind when you know that it hasn't been working out for you and even said you don't want to do it in previous 2 games? | ||
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On February 11 2014 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf is going on? I can't understand anything in this thread.... ? | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:47 marvellosity wrote: I don't get it Risen but I'll take your word for it :p Just reading the VE stuff, VE never thinks that "normally" for people calling what he was saying a "stretch". Town-VE had an exceptionally convoluted triple-bus theory for quite some time in Shadow. not sure his mindframe was the same as this one though | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:50 marvellosity wrote: I mean, I literally said "interlude, terrible meta comparison of the day" how can anyone believe that is serious? why are you telling us about obvious scum :o | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:05 Risen wrote: Independent is fine. I'm wrong a lot and don't really learn from anything so I can dig it. But if you're going to play like that why are you getting mad at people saying mean things about you instead of getting mad when people ignore you? There's a disconnect and I think it's really telling. did you just miss my point? they are the reasons wave is scum | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you kidding me?! I raged super hard at TOad's case wtf are you actually saying going to tear this shit up hardcore when Iget back On January 24 2014 07:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting just to say this is horseshit and pissed me off as I read it. You don't remember anything I said from around the lynch BECAUSe I WaSNT rTHERE for it On January 24 2014 23:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Like thsi is Toad's main reason for calling me scum, because he didn't 'notoice' what I did when I wasn't around. When I correct him he says 'whoops but you weren't around for thsoe last 20 min and mafia would totes do that.' If he actually bothered to read my filter he'd know it was a lot longer than20 minutes. Just horrible misrepresentation here and he brings up absolutely NO other rationale before ethis point, just saying 'I found him scummy for some reasons.' he LATER brings up a case, but this looks like he picked a target and is finding the rationale later. That was the majority of rage against toad? why are you lying :o? there are 1 or two posts saying why toad was wrong, you were annoyed at him being wrong and the only caps lock you used was for emphasis on words. Here? Totally different story. You are under heavy pressure now, just like you were in shadow and now your response is to QQ and say that it's unfair that we didn't check out koshi whereas in shadow your response was to PROVE you were towny. There is so much difference between your play in that game and vengeful (even if it was "feels") + your other town games than here. | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:14 Palmar wrote: Wos is so not scum btw On February 11 2014 09:13 Koshi wrote: WoS, piece of advice. Don't make it about me. You are wrong. True story. are people reading the same game? | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:17 Risen wrote: Uhhh, you realize we're playing FOR A FREAKING CROWN?!? I'm playing to find scum x_x? | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:27 Palmar wrote: Rayn actually looks pretty good. Like it would be nice if rayn and marv vouched for each other's towniness so I can blame one if the other turns out to be scum. Now if they're both scum I guess I'd have to blame myself. Also, post count during the night is always an interesting stat to look at (hi yamato, oats etc  )marv is definitely town | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:30 Palmar wrote: remember yamato too pls didn't he say he's afk for 48 hours? | ||
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On February 12 2014 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote: it's my word against some one that is terrible at reading me but they will follow you anyways because that is TL mafia. so make them follow you? | ||
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On February 12 2014 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Nobody told me who to vote for ##vote: marvellosity vote to keep in the people that can read you best | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote: Well I also did other things. To be fair not enough talk about who is towniest out of these 3. By a lot of people. I would never lynch you if not vs msrv palmar. Pretty sure they are all town (did a lot of research into palmar's stances in other games based on his reactions and answers to things i questioned him on) but if one of them could be scum it would be palmar. marv spent his day 1 with back and forths, used his meta reads on someone to form arguments and put his vote down on the lynch although he did sheep rayn/yamato he does that when he thinks people are right but his vote was based on his own overlying read though and he's spent the rest of his time with more back and forths/outed va potentially and wants to quit the game while maintaining his usual assholeness, scum marv sheeps and follows sentiment but without the accusatory back and forths with unknowledgeable insights. rayn - generally inquisitive, no wishy washy bs, wants to scum hunt instead of discuss things/about himself, comes up with good reasons why the nominations are most likely all town/why he wouldn't be scum, has good back and forths with marv. Scum rayn tries to find holes out of little niggly bits and says he doesn't like "the way this post looks" etc etc, whereas town rayn tries to point out inconsistencies, bad mindsets, scum hunts. palmar - inquisitive, generally good questions, denies chatting to some people if he thinks they are scum though, had a questionable stance on cora but voted him anyway but when questioned came with a thought process that made sense and aligned with what i found out about him when looking at previous games. If he is scum it's because of the cora vote but unlikely because as rayn said he and palmar (although imo it would have just been palmar) would be most likely lynched so would be silly if he was scum ##vote palmar | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure what you are trying to do Holyflare. Are you trying to look better or find mafia? well i'll tell you names now; grack/wos/geript/va expect walls of text with all their names on it soon so if i've found mafia (i'm pretty sure i have) then what else can i be doing in my downtime from writing the cases other than reasoning out this lynch that's happening now? | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't really matter who we lynch now because it's irrelevant because we are all town. The discussion about who has 1% chance or who has 0% chance of flipping scum is fucking retarded. It's like having 3 blue claims in a game where there can be 3 blues and all you can talk about is who is fakeclaiming if someone is. lol. But yeah, those 4 stand out for me the most too. Drop in Oats if Vayne is somehow town (i think he could be, if he is just being dumb and refuses to do shit like he unfortunately does as town because he is just dumb). no but palmar admits himself that his scum hunting falls off after day 1 so the best vote is on him because you and marv do not lose scum hunting abilities in that time | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying if we do not lynch me Oats is better be scum because he will lose the game for the town if he is town. i don't think he'd be changing just because you got lynched over palmar or vice versa | ||
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Grack/VA: Let's lynch holy! Thread: What reasons? Grack/VA: *tumbleweed* VA after being forced and forced to give a read on me comes out with "holy's play before the flip" despite yamato playing the exact same way, yet, he mentions yamato nowhere but instead says he is a ?? player that he hasn't considered. If I stuck out for the reasons he stated then yamato would stick out for those exact same reasons too but I was not here and I was an easy to push mislynch while he was under pressure. Convenienttttttt. Grack has also stated that "holy promises cases but didn't deliver in LXIII" as his ONLY reasoning for lynching me after promising yesterday "yeh will explain holy read tomorrow". What he fails to state is that I DID make cases in LXIII (marv can confirm because he picked up on some clairvoyance line). Either way, I'd be happy to lynch Grack/wos/va/geript today like I discussed with rayn yesterday briefly as they make the most sense in terms of lynch. | ||
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I tell everyone to get on palmar on the nominations because: a) If there was mafia on the wagon based on thread posting he would be most likely scum (although crazy unlikely based on who else was nominated) b) Palmar stated he can't play as well past day 1 as you and rayn c) You and rayn can read me best and I'm pretty sure we'd win (me and rayn's reads were pretty much identical) by keeping you in the game @Risen, there is no "town slip", I want to win the game. | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote: If you are going to discuss what happened yesterday I wont be able to move my vote off you. You mean nothing scummy happened yesterday? I just explained how both grack and va have expressed their interest to lynch me based on nothing (in the case of grack) and posts that would implicate more than just me (in the case of VA) yet your first post after that was to vote me instead of discussing it? Grack also lynched off rayn who had a scum read on him because: On February 11 2014 11:36 Grackaroni wrote: ##Vote: Rayn Sorry Palmar is the more entertaining player. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i need to re-think about my Grack read. As soon as i call him town and Palmar is unsure he is wanting to lynch Palmar over me for some arbitary reasoning. On February 12 2014 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't really matter who we lynch now because it's irrelevant because we are all town. The discussion about who has 1% chance or who has 0% chance of flipping scum is fucking retarded. It's like having 3 blue claims in a game where there can be 3 blues and all you can talk about is who is fakeclaiming if someone is. lol. But yeah, those 4 stand out for me the most too. Drop in Oats if Vayne is somehow town (i think he could be, if he is just being dumb and refuses to do shit like he unfortunately does as town because he is just dumb). | ||
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Grack is odd, he has shown a great deal of disinterest this game and that set off alarms because I have played with him a few times and the time that this occured was in LXIII when we were scum together. So, I decided to see if this disinterest had a coherent reasoning behind it or whether or not it was random bs scummy wifom, hence the questions I was asking him earlier. I did not like his responses at all and so here we are. The scum case. He initially pressured Corazon, the person who ultimately ended up being the main lynch wagon and town here: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2014 11:46 Grackaroni wrote: Cora do you want to vote Palmar? On February 09 2014 15:09 Grackaroni wrote: You've been insinuating that he is scum/should be lynched. Now, this line of questioning was actually quite decent and I was liking it from Grack, however, the follow up to this and his posting in general I found to be quite an unnatural flow of things. For instance: On February 10 2014 00:30 Grackaroni wrote: After all of the questions probing Corazon's actions, Grack should have had an assumption of how Cora was playing the game at that point, who he wanted to vote etc etc. Yet, none of this was followed up on AT ALL for the entire day. Instead, random questions regarding what Marv thought of Cora's alignment were used instead. Now, the cora wagon was gaining a lot of traction and based on interactions with other players and Cora, Grack should have a slightly more informed opinion of him by now than nothing. This is where things get a little disconnected. Grack never mentions Cora EVER again. Like... not at all anywhere in his entire filter. He see's the wagon and says "probs bus lolol" which is odd in itself because the initial reaction of most people is to think "oh maybe he is town after all" and then decides to vote random people like VA (who he was agreeing with in reads) and Risen who he had no idea about.Can you elaborate on this? Why did you think that post is more indicative of town-cora? When I questioned him he came out with this: On February 10 2014 10:36 Grackaroni wrote: I think it will be easier if I just give my thought process for the day. I joined the game and read the thread. I didn't see anything I found very scummy, but Corazon was acting like an indifferent observer so I thought that would be good to pressure. (Not in a way that I think he is necessarily scum more that I want to see how he reacts and how other people would respond.) Then he wasn't really interested in talking so I moved on to Marv, who got pissy that I troll voted him and he wouldn't talk to me either. Then I figured Koshi was town and that nobody else was pushing Vayne too hard so I was ok lynching him. BUT then Vayne seemed like he genuinely didn't know anything this game which was really in contrast to last game where it seemed like he knew everything and told town nothing so I settled with Risen because safe + lazy. If it was a close lynch I would have moved my vote either on to Corazon or on to somebody else depending on the situation. Then a townie got lynched. And then I blamed Marv because Marv. First of all, this bolded line does not fit with his reasoning whatsoever. If he thought, like he stated, that the votes on Corazon were most likely a bus then he would have had no problem with placing his vote on Cora because if the votes were closer he would have been on the lynch so why would bussing change that? (hint: because he knew cora was town) Despite all this, there is evidence that his thought process does not align with his actions in the game. He doesn't want to vote cora (for no good reason). I ask him why he placed his vote on Risen at the time when he had been pressuring marv and thinks marv is probably the most scummy, he said it was "safe". That doesn't make ANY sense as he did not pressure Risen or discuss him or talk to him the ENTIRE GAME. His safe vote should have been marv, yet, despite all that AND calling cora's lynch a bus, he says if the votes were closer he would vote cora OVER his reads on marv and DESPITE ALL THAT if he could he would lynch WoS over EVERYONE ELSE despite mentioning him NEVER in the game. On February 10 2014 10:45 Holyflare wrote: Ok then. Explain your town read on koshi to me please because all I get from your filter is and Also, in regards to your thought process. You stated: If marv was the only person you felt it necessary to address when someone talks to you then why was your throwaway vote on risen and NOT on marv? They both would have meant equally as little but then your vote would be on the person you thought was scum? As well as this you JUST stated that: After everything you have said about marv after placing your "safe" vote onto risen why would cora be your chosen candidate if the lynch was any closer?? this doesn't even line up with what he said within the previous day This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me. yet he states a post-lynch insight: On February 10 2014 09:24 Grackaroni wrote: I gave absolutely no opinion on Cora whatsoever. That credit is mine. On February 10 2014 09:34 Grackaroni wrote: Lulz Yamato. I probably should have known but Marv was super confident he would rage and that's just hard to ignore. Now, here is where some real scum motivation appears. Rayn/Marv/Palmar are up for lynch. It's like a free night kill if all are town and Grack had already stated that those 3 would appear (yeh it was obvious anyway) but even so, who would scum want to keep around for later in the game? The answer is the people that have town reads on yourself or your scum buddies. Now, rayn spotted this before he got lynched and this is what's very suspicious: On February 11 2014 11:36 Grackaroni wrote: ##Vote: Rayn Sorry Palmar is the more entertaining player. On February 12 2014 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town -> Scum raynpelikoneet Palmar/marvellosity yamato77 Risen Holyflare Grackaroni Koshi WaveofShadow/VisceraEyes Oatsmaster geript VayneAuthority On February 12 2014 01:02 Grackaroni wrote: I kind of like Risen's Palmar point though. On February 12 2014 01:04 Grackaroni wrote: No he's right. If Palmar is scum then he can make it to the end without having to do much else of anything this game; we are pretty much accepting he is town at that point. On February 12 2014 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i need to re-think about my Grack read. As soon as i call him town and Palmar is unsure he is wanting to lynch Palmar over me for some arbitary reasoning. On February 12 2014 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't really matter who we lynch now because it's irrelevant because we are all town. The discussion about who has 1% chance or who has 0% chance of flipping scum is fucking retarded. It's like having 3 blue claims in a game where there can be 3 blues and all you can talk about is who is fakeclaiming if someone is. lol. But yeah, those 4 stand out for me the most too. Drop in Oats if Vayne is somehow town (i think he could be, if he is just being dumb and refuses to do shit like he unfortunately does as town because he is just dumb). This is the exact timeline of events that occured. Grack votes rayn > Rayn posts town read list and grack isn't low > Grack entertains idea of lynching palmar instead > rayn points it out > grack says maybe not palmar nvm. This is ridiculously suspicious. He doesn't even say WHY he wants to vote rayn other than palmar is the more entertaining player. He brings up points that could mean palmar is scum but then it's like "no, rayn it is because... nothing"! Grack also says that VA is scum because of the events that took place with Marv/VA and he says VA likes to bus etc etc but then today wants to lynch ME over VA with this post: On February 12 2014 13:23 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote: Holyflare I guess we can table this for the time being. I agree with Vayne regardless of whatever weird contradiction he had in his mind earlier and whatever weird town slipping Yamato might have done if he is scum. On February 12 2014 13:24 Grackaroni wrote: I'll explain tomorrow, but he is our best bet. On February 13 2014 03:43 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think I could explain why HF is scum in a way that I could explain another person being scum but it doesn't mean I'm not confident enough to trade 1 for 1 with him all the same. He says VA is scum and wants to look elsewhere for the rest, notices i'm afk and people are posting stuff about me, jumps on top of me saying he'll explain why i'm scum but then doesn't, flip flops when voting for VA all the time, happy to wagon me for no reason whatsoever. ##Vote Grackaroni Didn't need meta but leaving this here in case I need to look into previous games for whatever reason. "SMB" Mini Mafia - Town LXIV: The Restart - Town Titanic 2 - Scum Golden Sun - Scum LXIII: Time to Die - Scum | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:04 Grackaroni wrote: Well for starters I said if Cora is scum he is being bussed. Not I think Cora is scum. So I'll just go ahead and cross off the first 1/2 of your case. Then I'll replace out the other half with the fact that Palmar and Marv both wanted to lynch me more than Rayn and you basing you openly placing your vote on who views you as town and then trying to lynch me for that reason. That's even worse lol........ If cora is scum and half the game is on cora then IT MUST BE A BUS NOWAIIII | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:06 Palmar wrote: this grack lynch is bad. I think dude's town On February 13 2014 08:06 marvellosity wrote: yeah i think so too. don't do a day 1 all over again... explain your shit | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:13 Grackaroni wrote: like even if I had voted Rayn because Marv/Palmar were town reading me and Rayn had started scum reading me, (not the case) then it should be perfectly fine for me by your logic to not want to get rid of the people reading me better. ??????? i'm basing mine on meta you are basing yours on the assumption you are town so that's where the logic falls down | ||
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##holyflare commit to your non-existant basis for reads and pay the price | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:19 Keirathi wrote: You've never played a single fucking game with me. You don't get to call me a "meta-master" or something just because someone else said it. I use meta when it's appropriate to use meta. IE when I've played with someone (preferrably multiple times), and almost solely from games that I was a player in. YOU JUST USED META TO SAY GRACK WAS TOWN LOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:20 Palmar wrote: So... you're saying you're awful town? Being right is like the least useful skill in mafia. People keep harping on "I was right but town was shit" but in reality if you can't avoid getting lynched as town, no matter how right you are, you're worthless to the team. If all townies can avoid getting lynched, game is ez, so don't be the worst player, don't get lynched! No, I gave concrete reasons behind a scum motive that nobody read and then people come along and say "he town" despite all the work I put into doing it and the overwhelming evidence and rather than discuss the first incentive is to lynch me then that is frustrating and the reason I quit playing vengeful too by town being shit and not explaining reads they give and just saying "he totes town". | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:23 Keirathi wrote: No i didnt? I said I don't see a scum being that carefree and open. I didn't say anything about scum Grack specifically, because I've never read a scum Grack game, or even a town Grack game. If you have some emta as to why Grack, specifically, could do that, then feel free to share. But right now you're just twisting my fucking words and you look like an idiot for it. I just gave you meta, LXIII, grack got bussed all game for looking the exact same. He trolls regardless of alignment and that is why I based my case on FACTS rather than his jovial troll nature. If you are town, but I don't think you are so it doesn't matter, you'd look into that before basing your only reason on him being town his "trolling". | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:25 Palmar wrote: Clearly you're not using the correct logic to appeal to these particular towns. It's on you to change your approach until you fit your argument to the audience. You wouldn't hand a three year old kid a scientific study on the benefits of good night's sleep to explain why he/she should go to bed. Tailor your message to your crowd. There is no such thing as bad towns, only people who can't adapt to them. I assumed you were capable of reading words, apparently I was incorrect. Maybe I should show you in pictures. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Nc14sSu.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z0ukhmT.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uaZ6sYk.png) | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: We can kill Keir. I am literally calling you out on this shit. ##unvote ##vote keirathi | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:04 Grackaroni wrote: wtf are you talking about you just said my defense was terrible. it was but nobody is going to vote you so now i'm going to prove that you are scum by lynching the other scum that is defending you and you JUST said you want to kill and so have many other people time to prove alignments | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:07 Grackaroni wrote: I think it's fairly clear you guys were distancing at the end of this day and I'd rather just get rid of you then deal with the Keirathi defended Grack thing that will come after this. HAH HAH HAH HAH THIS IS SO GOOD, literally gold. | ||
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"I can too" HF: Let's do it!!!!! "maybe not......." "oh on second thoughts my read wasn't THAT good" scum play 101 | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:10 Grackaroni wrote: It's not a matter of my read not being good. I don't want to stay in another cycle with you because everything you do is intended to undermine me. The only thing you have brought up on me is that I promised a case (which i delivered in both LXIII and here) and that's it. Other than that it's....? NOTHING. You have a scum slip from VA who you have conclusively called scum over and over again, keirathi you have also called scum and when both of their lynches are on the table? You stick to the guy that wasn't around. NICEEEEEEEEE. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:13 Grackaroni wrote: You shouldn't be making such a big deal about the timeline thing because you literally voted somebody because of how they could read you. From your point of view the timeline could be me wanting to keep the guy who could read me as a townie action (same as you) NO, I stated the reason that I kept the players around that I did. YOU stated you wanted to keep the player that "entertained" you the most. Then flip flopped around when people were giving out town reads and finally landed on the guy that had you as his top scum read. When I flip green lynch this guy in 48 hours. This is testament to a terrible town atmosphere when nobody discusses shit and then afk's with 15 minutes to go in a deadline. GG. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:17 Grackaroni wrote: But we already went over this several times. I was all 3 of their scum reads and I was the 2nd biggest scum read of Marv. If anything Rayn was scummiest on me. Nobody said that until afterwards. Marv had all but given up and voted himself. You were happy with either of them dead. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:19 Palmar wrote: marv what do? help pls marv extensively knows my meta and can read me, he isn't voting me, get with the program! I even gave you baby steps in picture form | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:22 Koshi wrote: Holyflare. If you don't save yourself and get yourself lynched as town I will be really fucking sad. kinda impossible when half the game afk votes me without talking | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:24 Koshi wrote: You do know it is 4-4 and you are not voting on the counterwagon right? WHICH IS VA? REALLY? OH ##unvote ##vote VA didn't even see the vote score x_x | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:28 marvellosity wrote: I'm playing blindfold chess so all my mental energies are there and I'm not even reading the thread. let's just hope for the best :D maybe i'll have been shot at deadline, otherwise i'll read all this mess then fu, these retards are going to kill me in 2 days when i'm obvious town and you aren't saying shit about it! | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:35 Koshi wrote: If Holyflare is scum I am really sad. But I don't think so. I will give you the rest of the cases soon™ but yes I am most definitely town, my filter reeks of it, I'm not capable of asking some of the question's i was asking as scum I normally just accuse and say you're bad and make a giant case of wifom, whereas here I made sensible cases that made sense to me and should have to all of you. Was really frustrated with cora because I thought I was like 100% right despite the shitty loaded wagon and after vengeful I'm frustrated when people just say "x or y is town/scum" and then afk without saying anything at all JUST LIKE HERE. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:46 Grackaroni wrote: This is honestly really frustrating to me. I understand that I don't put enough effort into the game but my vote fairly consistently lands on scum and a lot of people just seem absolutely incapable of recognizing what kind of plays comes from town and what kind of play comes from mafia. maybe if you fucking explained instead of giving NO REASONING and just saying "yeh he's scum" people wouldn't be so god damn frustrated with you this was quite clearly a town/town lynch because EVERYONE WAS AFK FOR IT | ||
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I haven't made a case on koshi so i don't care if he's playing awful but I made a case on you that NOBODY commented on APART FROM YOU. Maybe i'm wrong about you, and then I can look into that and you cran prove me wrong. People straight up ignore things that people put effort into and that is total shit play and it frustrates me to no end to the point where I don't want to play and understand why marv wanted to get lynched off on nominations day. | ||
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On February 13 2014 22:59 Palmar wrote: Why do people insist on playing like shit, it's really annoying. ......... | ||
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As for who is scum I'm pretty sure I need to change a few things around based on what just happened. b]VisceraEyes[/b] (1): VayneAuthority (5): Oatsmaster, Keirathi (1): WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster (0): Holyflare (4): WaveofShadow (1): yamato77 Grackaroni (0): This was the final vote count. The wagon on me started initially because VA had a read on me based on nothing and then grack decided to join him and add to that nothingness case with nothing. Shortly after that people followed on. Marvellosity, Risen, Koshi, Palmar. Koshi and marv finally got off me and marv is town but the remaining people Grack/Risen/Palmar are HIGHLY likely to contain mafia. The best method for scum to win the game would have been to kill a person that was town that wasn't VA because VA would have been a very very easy mislynch in the next lynch phase and so what better way to do that then to stick to the person that wasn't around and then afk when things seem to happen. I've already made my case against grack and he states the timeline is wrong (not sure it is) but the rest of it still stands, his reads do not add up and he doesn't follow a coherent thought process through the entire game. Even now he is "frustrated" that nobody listens to him after not playing the game for 3 WHOLE DAYS and wondering why???? Palmar, I am so so so confused by him. Thought he was town, still kind of do, but his play around the lynch deadline and interactions around that are so bad it's frustrating to continue reading him as town. Why would he flat out ignore everything I wrote just to say "grack is town to me" and THEN lynch me off based on nothing straight after I made the case instead of generating discussion and trying to solve the game? He then asked marv to pretty much make his read for him at the end of the day: On February 13 2014 09:19 Palmar wrote: marv what do? help pls and marv didn't respond and he proceeded to further afk and THEN THE NEXT DAY CALL EVERYONE ELSE BAD FOR NOT PLAYING. This doesn't align with what I see as someone who wants to win by finding the remaining mafia. Risen on the other hand has done nothing all game, has sheeped reads, sheeped marv and then when marv went back off me he decided to turn sheep mode off and not listen to anything despite not being around for the times when it counts. He then did not do anything at deadline but afk. He is quite likely scum for this because I know he was around at the deadline time. | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:17 Palmar wrote: Holyflare, look at your day 1. I will never be able to label you town because of your day one. Never. Next time, play all the days of a game. I can totally control my schedule. I didn't make excuses like half the people have done in this game and my activity is never this shit as was pointed out to you by marv and rayn several times. Yet you took it increasingly to mean that I was scum and never ASKED me about it. Don't even bother. I spent so much time on the cora case because in Vengeful I got all my reads wrong and it was very frustrating so I wanted to tryhard and MAKE SURE that I got my reads right this game, so I invested a lot of time into research in a lot of people and I thought I was right on cora because of his lack of attitude which was quite clearly not the case.... | ||
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LXIII: 26 pages Hogwarts: 28 pages Back to the Basics: 11 pages in 1 day I spam like shit in scum games which I haven't done here. I want to solve the game and nobody responds to anything I say with discussion, just "yeh holyflare is scum". | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote: I'm not pretentious If you know someone is scum, and marv thinks VA is scum, marv gets his target lynched and you don't, even if marv is wrong, marv played better than you, because you did nothing. It's equally useless to have good reads and no ability to convey your thoughts to the town, as it is to have bad reads. Stop twisting this back on it's head. I don't give a shit if you follow my reads or not and this is why you are being a shit towny if you are actually town. I posted a case that NOBODY DISCUSSED. I don't care if you agree or disagree with my reads. You didn't state any bit of it in your "grack is town" read and you didn't discuss anything with me. I just want to talk about the things I write so I can get to the bottom of the god damn game. Not be lectured about how I should cater my reads to the town. Can you not read written english or are you being an intentional asshole because catering to the town when the town isn't reading is NOT a thing that can be done. | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:22 Risen wrote: I'm down for stopping potential shenanigans. ##unvote ##vote: vayneauthority On February 13 2014 04:25 Risen wrote: I'm down for lynching any of ve, keir, hf, va On February 13 2014 06:26 Risen wrote: Well, VA is in the lead, I'm down for stopping any potential last second shenans since I've been asked to consolidate. So I did. On February 13 2014 08:54 Risen wrote: Why is keir not getting lynched again? On February 13 2014 06:35 Risen wrote: Won't you take me to Sheepytown! Won't you take me to Sheepytown! Won't you take me to Sheepytown! Won't you take me to SHEEEEEPYTOWN ##unvote ##vote: Holyflare But where does this wanting to lynch HF come from Risen? It's nowhere in your filter? My genius and clever trap has worked~Marv NOT GIVIN A FUUUUUCK~Risen But you just said you wanted to stop last second shenans, Risen!!!~Marv + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media2.giphy.com/media/1106O5br2MwOSA/giphy.gif) On February 13 2014 10:08 Risen wrote: Meh, not surprised. Want's to consolidate, throws in random comments about Keir (who I am pretty sure is scum - distancing) but no push and I even tried to start a keir wagon that both grack and risen did not even join despite them both calling him scum, consolidates onto VA to stop shenanigans but THEN does shenanigans onto me when I was an easy mislynch at the time because I wasn't around. Marv unvotes and votes VA only for Risen to not care because I was an easy afk counter wagon and so he unsheeps marv. I return and start talking and he "afk's" only to return STRAIGHT after deadline to mention "meh, not surprised" after VA flips town. He has VA as a scum read and has no input on him but isn't surprised at all and doesn't really care. | ||
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This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker. I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA. | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote: So much bitching hf. How is this helping solve the game? Where are you solving the game? | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:49 Grackaroni wrote: And I spent the entire day trying to get Marvellosity to switch. That's the hardest fucking scum switch in TL mafia history when I could literally just chill all day and then wait for a townie to vote VE or Yamato or Risen or whoever else is a town lurker and last second vote switch to win the game. Ignoring the fact that those 3 could be not-town lurkers? Marv switched on his own volition not because you "convinced" him. You had no input in his switch whatsoever because you had NO reason to vote me just like VA. You weren't on the VA wagon who you called scum the entirety of the past 2 days and he flipped town, that looks so bad. | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:51 Grackaroni wrote: He doesn't even think before he does it. It will be like, Grack's defense was really shit. I will respond your case was bad And he will go, "OH Yeah Grack? Why are you commenting on worthless stuff? Hmmmmmmmm?" I re-read our exchanged and there was one point where I say that defence of grack was terrible and you took it to mean YOUR defence when in actuality I was using it to say Keirathi's defence of you was terrible here: On February 13 2014 08:14 Keirathi wrote: Yea I'm not particularly interested in Grack for now. Too many little things like I don't knowGrack; maybe he can do that as scum, but I'm doubtful. It's just too care-free and open and silly. He's welcome to stay for now. and I was caught up in anger so I thought I meant it to mean your defence when you replied. | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:57 Grackaroni wrote: There wouldn't be anything to switch to if it wasn't for me pestering him all day long. marv can easily start a counter wagon on his own ~_~ as can be seen since 3 people joined the wagon after he did and not when you "convinced" him | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: What vote analysis? You said everyone voting you is scum. Then I said I think it's the opposite. Then you said, "Why dont you comment on something relevant, scum? You have 0 basis for voting me, the person that you had called scum only in the past day because of something "you'd explain in the morning" only to then NOT explain it and get "frustrated" when people didn't listen to you. Risen consolidated to avoid shenanigans and then DID SHENANIGANS and afk'd on someone that wasn't around. Palmar didn't even read anything I wrote about you and said you were town and then complained that I wasn't catering to the audience and voted me for being angry only to then want to sheep marv but marv wasn't around so then he afk'd. Only me, you and koshi were around for the vote. That is terrible. | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:03 Grackaroni wrote: -Towniest thing I've heard all day. I didn't give any reasoning on Mocsta either and that didn't change him being scum. So your frustration is then fake? | ||
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"why?" "....." "why does nobody listen i'm so frustrated" that's the jist of it right? | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:06 Grackaroni wrote: No what frustrates me is that nobody is willing to ever follow me and are only willing to follow Marv/BC and we always lose. If I were allowed to post under Marv's account in a posting style that looked like Marv's then scum would be dead right now. Except for the fact that marv does a shit load of research to form his reads and can coherently portray them to the thread and then get his scum target lynched whereas you go on "feels" without playing the game and troll for 3 days and then complain about it? Many similarities | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:07 Palmar wrote: I find your posts boring Holyflare, what can I say? Play more on day 1 next time pls. boring = scum? This game is boring, analysis of afk players is boring, you are being boring. I can't play more than I have free time so no thanks. My day 1's are usually full of posts and I've just told you to look at my filters to prove that but you can't be fucked. Why even continue posting if all you're going to say is useless shit? | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:09 Grackaroni wrote: Alright I'm glad we agree. Marv did a shit load of research and voted you and must have coherently portrayed his reasoning to the thread. he only voted me because I wasn't around, not because I was scum, which as can be seen was dropped when I returned to the thread | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:10 Palmar wrote: I don't trust meta. I'm not going back to read some dumb game I wasn't a part of and have no context to read it in just to try to figure out if you're scum or not. it's nothing to do with meta, ALL my games have more than 6-10 pages on day 1 regardless of scum or town so when I have no activity it's because i'm busy | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:11 Grackaroni wrote: And you say that I am 100% scum for doing that. When in fact I actually largely do go off of feels. he changed his read based off information in the game that he could analyse later when he had free time because he was sure VA was scum, coupled with the fact that he no longer wanted to play you are an asshat | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:12 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think that's true. I remember you disappearing for a long time in TIme to DIe after promising walls of text. THAT WAS YOUR ONLY REASON IN THIS GAME AND IT'S HAPPENED IN MY TOWN GAMES TOO =.= =.= =.= =.= and I still posted that wall of text here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=180#3582 | ||
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then stop fucking antagonising me and let me try and solve the game because I want to win instead of trying to knock me down at every turn | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote: Who even reads that shit Holyflare, your ability to convince people is worse than VA's, and he will never convince anyone. people do read it because it is generally correct, I catch scum almost 80%+ of the time, vengeful was the only exception in a long time | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:16 Palmar wrote: Nice going this game buddy, Cora guaranteed scum. 80% is 100% now? Even your glorious sheep lord marv was wrong. | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:18 Palmar wrote: Sure, you enjoy analysing, some people enjoy lurking, some people enjoy ms-painting. What all of the above have in common is that they have nothing to do with winning mafia games. Hell, you almost got owned yesterday except that VA is even worse than you. fuck this i quit goodbye, iamp may as well just endgame now | ||
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On February 16 2014 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't dude, we need you if you're town. Well this is exactly what happened 2 days ago and I'm not doing it again. I'll sheep whatever to stop shenanigans but I'm not going to play in this shitty thread. Half the things i started typing palmar just copy pasted today anyway rofl. | ||
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1. Afk bus, likely if wwe're wrong about next cycle lynches. 2. Make us target someone to mislynch. 3. Shut down discussions. Which do you think is the most likely case of this right now? | ||
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On February 16 2014 04:05 Grackaroni wrote: That's stupid. I would have been lynched yesterday if Koshi had shown any inclination of wanting to solve the game. and after a million days of playing at what point did he show that...? | ||
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On February 16 2014 13:04 Risen wrote: I hope I get nominated. Then people might look at what all the lynched people were saying. Doubtful. Holyflare is the clear next lynch. Please explain -.- what were the lynched people saying and where does your read on me actually come from? If you ARE town you absolutely have to prove it to us now | ||
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On February 16 2014 13:54 Risen wrote: Just don't like your posting compared to town you I've seen. Not much to prove, there's three people who are not going to be convinced no matter what, I would have to convince every town player. I'd rather play to my meta of not caring so when I flip town future games will be able to use this as a reference. well i do care and i want you to try because if we lynch yamato (which is likely the case) and he flips scum then you're going to make it a coin flip at the end game and effectively waste our time | ||
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On February 16 2014 16:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Is it really that hard to look townie if you are town? | ||
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On February 17 2014 02:24 Risen wrote: I'm confused ve, I say I'd lynch keir last cycle then lynch him this cycle. What's wrong with that? The lack of reasoning? I think it was really, really clear keir was the only possible lynch yesterday. Why muddy the waters? Also, I do look town Oats. I'm pretty blatantly town. Anyways, holyflare should be the lynch. Sheep marv, win game. marv didn't even want me lynched you tool, the only reason he did was because I wasn't here and as soon as I returned with content he unvoted me, the only reason he did vote me was because of: On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well and this was is a big reason it looks like Grack and subsequently you Risen are mafia pushing the afk town lynch at the time. @VE here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=121#2406 + On February 16 2014 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Like i have literally NO idea what you are thinking because you lay out scum reads and want to stop shenanigans but selectively sheep some scum reads over others under the guise of "i don't give a fuck" while perpetuating the thing you initially wanted to stop and On February 16 2014 08:41 Holyflare wrote: You also said you can't see why va is scum and said he looked town to you only to not push him being town to everyone else and then wanted to sheep consolidate onto va who you then said was 1/4 of your biggest scum reads. You then start the counter va wagon onto me without discussion, without asking me anything and with no reasoning whatsoever only to say oh wait why not keir and then afk till after deadline. | ||
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On February 17 2014 02:50 Grackaroni wrote: He only unvoted you because he couldn't be bothered to read you not because he thought you were town. On February 17 2014 02:51 Grackaroni wrote: You can't keep twisting things. and here is grack doing his useless shit again, I never said he called me town, RISEN said marv called me scum and he should sheep him but I'm pointing out that is not true. What are you doing other than shitting on EVERYTHING I write every time? | ||
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On February 17 2014 11:34 Risen wrote: Ve thoughts on what I've said? You've said what we've been saying for days but only now when it looks like scum are going to lose after a perfect game start where you could afk. Whatever we decide it has to be unanimous and if you are town and can't look past me "not being town" despite me giving you every opportunity to show us your alignment then it doesn't matter what we do because that is a lost game. Stop talking about "sheeping the dead" , they have even less information than we have now and were obviously wrong for many lynches and don't even mention the things you mention. I'll look at wave again because he was my initial read though, whatever we decide it has to be unanimous either way. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well but you had no participation in this game and only step up at lylo number 2 when your scum buddy is dead and you are under threat of dying, grack didn't even want to lynch keir on the va lynch day: On February 13 2014 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: I actually disliked Keirathi play more than Geript play. But yes. If not HF then Keirathi is an excellent choice. On February 13 2014 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: We can kill Keir. On February 13 2014 09:04 Grackaroni wrote: wtf are you talking about you just said my defense was terrible. On February 13 2014 09:07 Grackaroni wrote: I think it's fairly clear you guys were distancing at the end of this day and I'd rather just get rid of you then deal with the Keirathi defended Grack thing that will come after this. Either way, when he flips scum you can confirm me as town or whatever. ##Vote Grackaroni | ||
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On February 17 2014 12:58 Risen wrote: Well if you're not number two you really need to find a way to convince me one of yamato/oats is scum. I had bad feelings about yamato earlier in the game but can't remember why. I get town feels from oats. I know he hasn't done much but the things he comments on are giving people town reads and defending others when he didn't really need to be present in the thread. Like after I rage quit briefly because of palmar and they were saying "why is he so angry", they could easily come to the conclusion I was scum if they were scum but oats rolls up and says what really happened "holy was angry nobody was discussing, more likely from a towny etc etc" out of the blue. He wouldn't need to be around for that as scum oats. | ||
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On February 17 2014 13:00 Grackaroni wrote: Because that is how scum buddies interact with each other. Shitty town reads given for no reason when I'm not even a lynch candidate. I think you don't know what sarcasm is | ||
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On February 17 2014 13:00 Risen wrote: I think agrack flipping town confirms hf as scum as much as possible, so I have no problem with this. ##unvote ##vote: grackaroni I have no qualms lynching scum | ||
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On February 17 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote: You don't believe Keirathi defending me makes me scummy? No I think it's really really odd he'd do that and it is a bolster to you looking scummy but it's weaker compared to everything else. | ||
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On February 17 2014 13:12 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really know what you expect to happen here but I would be pretty embarrassed if you are town and still believe that I'm scum nominating myself while not playing the game. That's a pretty quick way to completely fuck over my team. Yet risen jumps all over it after campaigning for a palmer lynch and you don't care about mentioning that? He just left the qualifier On February 17 2014 13:00 Risen wrote: I think agrack flipping town confirms hf as scum as much as possible, so I have no problem with this. ##unvote ##vote: grackaroni but you don't mention that either? If you are town and I AM town that will 100% lose us the game and you don't say a thing about it because you only EVER mention stuff in regards to me for the past 3 days | ||
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On February 17 2014 13:23 VisceraEyes wrote: But as HF pointed out, the dead townies have even less information than we have - you can't just sit back and cry "dead townies!" and do nothing for yourself because that does nothing to help us determine YOUR alignment. coupled with the fact 0 of the dead townies said I was scum (apart from VA who had no answer when questioned about it) | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well | ||
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On February 17 2014 13:33 Grackaroni wrote: RIGHT HERE. MARV THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM. MARV DOES NOT IGNORE HIS SCUM READS JUST TO LYNCH AFKS AS TOWN. I DO NOT LYNCH PEOPLE PURELY BECAUSE THEY ARE AFK AS TOWN. He switched off you in the end because vayne didn't give a shit and you started posting and showed that you cared about being lynched. It does not mean he thought that you were town later in the day. It most definitely does not mean he didn't think you could be scum. On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: The fact that two trollish/do-nothing-ish players in Grack and Vayne want another player in Holy who's absent dead is kinda interesting and would be fun to resolve as well On February 12 2014 09:27 marvellosity wrote: like there's no really compelling reason Risen is *actually* town, people are just giving him a townread. Could it be justified? Yes. But there's not actually any reason Risen can't have done what he's done as mafia either. Holy is super afk compared to normal. bleh On February 13 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote: I should probably open Holy's filter at some point. On February 13 2014 02:48 marvellosity wrote: I'm assuming VA isn't going to come back and explain anything. And if VA flips mafia then his random-ass mafiaread on Holy looks pretty terrible. no mention of scum ever, nice reading | ||
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On February 17 2014 15:19 Risen wrote: I like to think the rest of town would rally behind your death, whereas just the two of us don't seem able to convince ve/palmar/whoever. you can't convince me to lynch myself ~_~ | ||
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Why is it that every nomination you say that most likely everyone in the nominations are town but this one specifically you bring up how we are "bad" for not lynching grack who could be scum when you didn't mention that at all last nomination and why does VE need to flip, for what reason? This is the first time you really talk about the potential for grack being scum. Maybe if you didn't try and troll me 2 days ago and discussed this the game could be a lot easier. On February 15 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote: your afk-ing means it's impossible to read you. It's clear that some of the afk-ers are scum. Risen, holy, VE, ger/keir, you, yam koshi have all been very much inactive, and since Grack and I are basically clear, there's at least 3 people that have had massive bouts of AFK and are scum. So afk = scum. problem is some of the afk players are town too. This also applies to you On February 16 2014 19:34 Palmar wrote: Why do you care about the game now that we're lynching mafia? Grack and you have been in a lot of nominations and people generally assumed that meant you were town, why would scum put VE in the nominations against 2 people that are widely considered town by most people in this thread? | ||
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On February 17 2014 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote: so all the scum can make this argument. Look, Palmar didnt need to play the game at all if he was scum. I'm asking him why he wants VE to flip when he just said grack could be scum? | ||
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On February 17 2014 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote: no you bimbo, Palmar is talking about before someone gets lynched. Not after he flips. He wants the reads so he can use them for tomorrow... | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:24 Palmar wrote: Big talk from a guy who didn't play cycles 1-3. There was no reason to discuss anything. Either I was right on keirathi or I wasn't. Do I look afk to you now? And yes, everyone and their mother should have a massive, massive townread on my by now. I am basically confirmed town. Trying to claim otherwise is absolutely insane. On February 17 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote: Palmar wtf is your goal here. You want ve lynched, you refuse to discuss grack AT ALL despite there being a lot of stuff said about him. Your only response is "he's town" with no qualifying statements of WHY he is town. So why are you even discussing with VE and trying to convince him that you're town? What benefit does that have to us as a whole? You're sitting here talking for the sake of talking and not playing the game at all. seriously just get out of the thread if this is all you are going to do what are you achieving here other than riling up a guy who was contributing AGAIN? | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:27 Palmar wrote: I am not going anywhere. You're going to have to deal with me because I care about winning this game. It's funny how full of crap you are, you aren't doing anything other than making VE annoyed and what benefit does that have to anyone? You think grack is town, VE will get emotional and you'll be all "oh maybe he is town lynch anyway" and you aren't going to lynch yourself so if you actually cared about winning the game you'd realise it was time to stfu now and talk about progressing the next days lynch. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:30 Risen wrote: So... next two lynches wave then oats? No one comes up with a scum team of risen, yamato, wave. Game is solved as long as no one in the nomination circle is scum. See hf? You might be town and tomato might be scum. Oats just did you a real solid and this should be a plan you can get behind. huh...? | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote: I appreciate you trying to win the game VE, problem is it is directly against the VE style of play I know to do literally nothing for the first 2-3 cycles. So I can't convince myself to let you live over myself. The same thing happened in shadow mafia, like literally the last game he played in and he was town??? | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:35 Palmar wrote: The first point still stands. I couldn't "make up" the other part until it became clear that you still think I'm scum. It's not reaching, I've called you out multiple times over the course of the first few days on doing nothing, or very little, and not explaining any of your reads. All these things still stand. Given your recent contributions, you may in fact be town, but I don't think I can ever clear you. HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS BUT THEN NOT WANT TO DISCUSS GRACK WHO DIDNT DO ANYTHING TILL DAY 3 AND EVEN THEN STILL DID NOTHING :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:39 Palmar wrote: Because I know VE far better than I know Grack. I admit, I am not 100% sure on Grack being town. I think he is, but I can't be sure. There is a reason I voted for him over Koshi, I was more sure Koshi is town. Obviously I'm not going to have the energy to read Grack today, but if we do this correctly and lynch VE today, I will absolutely listen to each and every argument. I'm going to have to anyway. well I think VE is town and grack is scum, dilemna... maybe you should read grack right about now and maybe you should have done it days ago when I was talking about it and all you did was troll me and try and lynch me off then too, that would be a start if you want to "win the game" | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:45 Palmar wrote: We could do this, I might consider lynching Grack if HF agrees that we auto-lynch him if Grack flips town. Does that sound good HF? no......................? that would be a lost game in that case | ||
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I want to discuss it like normal people and I've asked so many times to discuss and only VE has done it and we only got so far as risen yesterday. Yet now you're making lynch plans on who we are lynching and in what order instead of why we should be lynching these people? | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote: That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too. Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it. anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum) | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:31 Grackaroni wrote: That is your reasoning though. You have consistently argued that Risen and I are scum for trying to get a free mislynch while you were afking. And then you come back and say that this is the easiest kind of suspicion. This is very similar to you voting off somebody because you didn't think they would town read you, and then coming back before the lynch and conjuring up some bullshit that I would switch off Rayn because he wasn't trying to lynch me. (which from your point of view wouldn't make me scum because I would be choosing not to kill the guy who was doing the best job of reading me) Less complaining about the lack of discussion more analysis. It's as if I've done nothing OTHER THAN THAT the entire game.........!??!?!?! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=2755&topic_id=442512¤tpage=1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=140#2794 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=141#2808 The whole past day I've been trying to discuss people that are scum with VE and you come in and do nothing and afk again and risen comes in says all my points were true and then afk's only to come back, call me scum, vote palmar and then switch to grack after I show him reasoning. Like wut, he's sheeping his scum read right now. | ||
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On February 18 2014 01:09 Grackaroni wrote: It's not a matter of doing nothing. You can't do something scummy and then yell, "but what about all the things I did." When you were set to be lynched you pushed a bunch of bullshit against me. And I don't see anything useful in there. You went on about me wanting to lynch you over Keir and that doesn't mean shit. You already had the votes and I was ok with either lynch. Chin up though. After I lynch myself you will be confirmed town. Only you and VA were on me because you said I was "scum" and that was before I even posted anything to do with you so your point is not valid at all? Where is the scummy things that I have done? You never mentioned these things before it's always been "I can't explain, it's just a feel, he's done this in another game" but now it's "oh that's scummy!" you keep talking about keeping people in that can town read me?? I said they can read my alignment and should know whether I was town or not, where is the scum incentive in that??? | ||
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On February 18 2014 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote: HF is Palmar scum? I'm very biased right now. No :p don't think he is no matter how inflated his geript lynch claim ego is | ||
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On February 18 2014 18:35 Palmar wrote: I mean it'd be super nice if Risen and WoS were somehow just town and whatever. But I feel that's unlikely to be the case. @Risen, can I count on you to sheep whatever VE and I conclude? We absolutely have to be unanimous otherwise we lose. | ||
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On February 18 2014 19:23 Palmar wrote: I think that much is clear. Holyman should we listen to Grack and lynch you? already said what I thought about that :o | ||
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On February 18 2014 19:39 Palmar wrote: Btw holy, since you know VE and I are confirmed town, you only have to find one townie (assuming you're town yourself) in the remaining 4 players (Oats, Yam, WoS and Risen). I'd like to know who that player is. That way I know what your current scum-team theory is. Well I've already said all of this, oats "looks" towny based on times he was around and things he was saying, like when I pretty much rage quit and you were discussing me, if he was scum who could just afk the thread but he explained why I was angry with you etc etc and showed that I was just annoyed that nobody was discussing anything, I haven't really looked at his filter but I can already assume it's full of nothing really so that isn't a help and if he's the last towny then it will be a hassle but I think he most likely is the last towny. Wave, got angry with thread about ? a lot but never really discussed anything, afk'd a lot, hasn't delivered. Yamato, only really talked about cora, afk'd a lot, angry at us ? Risen, never quantifies reads into anything. Pushed the rhetoric about "we must lynch hf when grack flips town", I even said it would give more information for everyone when grack flipped scum and he was so happy about agreeing and then kept pushing for me to trade with grack if he was town.. only talks about lynch orders and wants to be lynched after me = lost game because I will flip town. Switched off me being scum when oats posted stuff that was bad: On February 17 2014 23:30 Risen wrote: So... next two lynches wave then oats? No one comes up with a scum team of risen, yamato, wave. Game is solved as long as no one in the nomination circle is scum. See hf? You might be town and tomato might be scum. Oats just did you a real solid and this should be a plan you can get behind. Completely ditched this like 4 posts after and wants oats lynched after him lol??? Yamato never features in his lists again. | ||
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On February 18 2014 20:00 Palmar wrote: Fuck it, I'm blaming Koshi for saving HF if HF is scum. So let's assume HF is town. I was so ready to die x_x TYYYYY KOSHI BRO <3 | ||
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On February 19 2014 04:16 Risen wrote: Hmm... so I'm guessing the game is ending today? I'm going to put my vote on yamato but I have a really, really hard time believing wave, oats, ve are all town. Just one of them will have to move. Regardless, we'll see. ##vote: yamato77 Haven't you just repeatedly given us a lynch order that never featured yamato and now you're sheeping onto him without discussing it at all? | ||
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He was pushing wave and me for the past 3 days and just sheeped onto yamato with no reasoning and no discussion despite there being 6 hours left to talk about it and then when I pointed out that by poe yamato shouldn't be his first candidate he just blew up and self voted? | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote: If you think Oats is town, you by extension think the scumteam is yamato/WoS/Risen. Good to know where you stand Do you want to elaborate on that stance on Oats? Major deja vu...... this happened today already?? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=158#3156 ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to) Ego Mini Mafia - Scum Doctor Who Mafia - Scum Carnival Cruise Mafia - Town Roulette Mini Mafia - Town Oats in town games posts inane comments and looks like he doesn't know about anything he is talking about (like a general towny would) and never really posts substantial comments. His scum game is TOTALLLYYYY different, he actually makes cases, I was incredibly surprised. Here, for example: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote: EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci Read his filter now He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci So Palmar any initial reads? On April 06 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf has Ace been doing all this while? This post especially Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT. Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town. He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch. Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions) Also he posts this, And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS. Just asks a random question ??? Marv is scum Ace generally useless? On April 06 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS. Im waiting *taps foot* On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: By your command Marv. This is why I want to lynch scib Do you agree/disagree and WHY? I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it. Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him. Here is Dr.Who examples etc etc: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Friday nights man, busy stuff. Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome. Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying. Now who is scum? Deconduo. What marv said which was, Hit and run case on Ghost. Mafia favored plan. What else that solidified my read on him was Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'. What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?. Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out. Now, compare this to his town games of carnival and roulette, there are multiple WHY questions, he wants people to explain all their actions so he can get motives, get information and there is no overlying need to drive a lynch onto anyone unless he can prove with legit information they are scum + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: grush57: Starsenses. Town. slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum. strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town. sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum kitaman27: dead Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town. Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know. Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town. shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude. VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce). prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky. ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town. WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum. Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. Also cause im a complete badass. HiroPro: I really dont know. I dislike his reasoning for his vote on OO, seems playstyle rather than alignment issues there. lynch cause I hate him for fakeclaiming dt in personality and everyone believing him. Sheep. Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town. VayneAuthority: I kinda like that he chose Prp to push, but Prp is lowhanging fruit. Seems either like noob scum or overwhelmed newbie, have to find that out. null. chaoser: Oh my useless posts, doesnt push anyone, just asks prome a ton of questions that seem more sniping certain parts than actually trying to find his alignment. All his reasoning for wanting to lynch dudes is like a line or so and he doesnt seem intent on following it up. Leaning scum. DarthPunk: ded Now, compare that to this game. He has lynch choices, he votes people and the reasoning is because of overlying reasons based on their gameplay this game rather than the wall of quotes from scum games that he uses to overjustify his reads to people. He posts things that make sense: and is eliminating people as town reads, which is the right thing to do in this situation by events that are happening rather than pushing an agenda of voting for someone with quotes which he would need to do if he was scum right now[spoiler][QUOTE]On February 19 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On February 19 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote: I think oats is town :o If you think Oats is town, you by extension think the scumteam is yamato/WoS/Risen. Good to know where you stand Do you want to elaborate on that stance on Oats? Major deja vu...... this happened today already?? [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=158#3156]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=158#3156[/url] ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to) [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Ego Mini Mafia[/url] - Scum [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Doctor Who Mafia[/url] - Scum [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Carnival Cruise Mafia[/url] - Town [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Roulette Mini Mafia[/url] - Town Oats in town games posts inane comments and looks like he doesn't know about anything he is talking about (like a general towny would) and never really posts substantial comments. His scum game is TOTALLLYYYY different, he actually makes cases, I was incredibly surprised. Here, for example: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote: EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci Read his filter now He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci So Palmar any initial reads? On April 06 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf has Ace been doing all this while? This post especially Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT. Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town. He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch. Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions) Also he posts this, And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS. Just asks a random question ??? Marv is scum Ace generally useless? On April 06 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS. Im waiting *taps foot* On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: By your command Marv. This is why I want to lynch scib Do you agree/disagree and WHY? I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it. Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him. Here is Dr.Who examples etc etc: + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On May 18 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Friday nights man, busy stuff. Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome. Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying. Now who is scum? Deconduo. What marv said which was, Hit and run case on Ghost. Mafia favored plan. What else that solidified my read on him was [quote][QUOTE]On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...[/QUOTE] [/quote] Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'. What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?. Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out. [quote] I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to... [quote] The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in. His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity. [quote]Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard. ##Vote Oatsmaster[/quote] Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!. Then he disappears and comes back with [quote]I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth. [/quote] Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto. Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On May 18 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote: DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Friday nights man, busy stuff. Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome. Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying. Now who is scum? Deconduo. What marv said which was, Hit and run case on Ghost. Mafia favored plan. What else that solidified my read on him was [quote][QUOTE]On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...[/QUOTE] [/quote] Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'. What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?. Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out. [quote] I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to... [/quote] The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in. His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity. [quote]Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard. ##Vote Oatsmaster[/quote] Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!. Then he disappears and comes back with [quote]I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth. [/quote] Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto. Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+[/QUOTE] Now, compare this to his town games of carnival and roulette, there are multiple WHY questions, he wants people to explain all their actions so he can get motives, get information and there is no overlying need to drive a lynch onto anyone unless he can prove with legit information they are scum + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On May 15 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: grush57: Starsenses. Town. slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum. strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town. sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum kitaman27: dead Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town. Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know. Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town. shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude. VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce). prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky. ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town. WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum. Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. 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ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to) Ego Mini Mafia - Scum Doctor Who Mafia - Scum Carnival Cruise Mafia - Town Roulette Mini Mafia - Town Those are the links for the people unable to copy paste :p | ||
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You said you have to treat me as town so you only need 1 other town to complete that circle, you are thinking it's wave. That would mean both oats and risen are scum and he's afk sleep voting the guy you think is scum. Shouldn't we be auto voting risen in this case either way? | ||
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Also, if oats IS town like I think he is, he is now asleep so if we vote yamato who we both think is scum then the scum team (because they are 3 people) can just vote a towny and win the game. The safest option is to therefore vote for risen who oats is voting for because he is the common theme in all of our scum teams and also the person who is being voted for by the now sleeping oats. If oats is scum he's bussing the person we think is scum so we should then vote risen anyway? | ||
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On February 19 2014 07:12 Palmar wrote: Feel free to call me bad and dumb if he flips town. This goes to obs topic people too. Tis bad logic though. Town Oats has to go to bed so he votes for the person he most likely thinks is scum - risen. Scum oats has to go to bed so he votes off a towny who wasn't being voted for (you were on yamato) - risen or busses someone in the crosshairs - risen. Town Yamato has to go afk and only other possible wagon is risen because oats is voting and he thinks risen is scum and it's a wagon that is not himself. Scum Yamato has to go afk and only other wagon is someone that is not Yamato and therefore busses risen if risen is scum or votes for risen if risen is town. Both actions can come from EITHER alignment player regardless of where VE and Palmar are because they have to afk now. It's total wifom to talk about because you will mindgame yourself into a different lynch, you literally have to talk about what they've done this game instead and how it compares to previous games. | ||
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On February 19 2014 08:11 Palmar wrote: btw you can call me bad if he flips town, can I lynch you if he flips scum? I bus hard as scum I don't defend :ooo! | ||
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On February 19 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote: There isn't much to discuss, that's why he's so hard to read. I already pointed out a few strange things in his behavior on day 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20770190 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20770199 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20771172 that's entirely strange but exactly what grack did yet you had a town read on him for some reason or another despite me pointing it out and as you said in one of those posts "scum like to play safe" i see nothing safe about calling everyone scum at one point | ||
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On February 19 2014 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Holy I can't stress enough how through we are if it turns out you're scum. :O!!! Good thing I'm not then! | ||
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##Vote Risen ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IHvDvel.png) inb4 grack, risen, va and obs thread tell everyone scum team was obvious and about how "right" they were On February 13 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote: I'm not pretentious If you know someone is scum, and marv thinks VA is scum, marv gets his target lynched and you don't, even if marv is wrong, marv played better than you, because you did nothing. It's equally useless to have good reads and no ability to convey your thoughts to the town, as it is to have bad reads. Yes. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Fuck off Wave. U 2 Holy. </3 baby forgive me ((( | ||
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"x,y,z is scum" "Why do you think that?" "HE JUST IS OK" "THAT GUY IS TOTALLY RIGHT!!!" | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:46 Palmar wrote: And yeah it was close. I didn't feel like I could swing the lynch onto holy (after he whipped up a massive case for Oats town I was 100% sure he was scum, no one reads that much in that short time and reaches a conclusion on it all). So I tried Oats. And half of town afk ^^ I read his meta during the day and posted the conclusion in a post during the night? It was correct meta regardless. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:48 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly you guys can bitch all you want about me not explaining read, but Yamato has the easiest meta of any player on TL and HF essentially scum claimed by full-on trying to kill me for possibly trying to get rid of somebody scum reading me during the all town lynch when he flat out stated that he was voting somebody based on how people would read him. I strongly believe that a competent town could have gotten either one of those lynches. WoS is a lot trickier and you just have to know HF well enough to not write him off as town because he posts a lot and pretends to be angry. This is why you DONT MAKE SENSE. How does wanting to keep players that can read you in the game scummy compared to flip flopping on a player that has changing reads on you around the time he changes them? There was an entire bit more than just your lynch choice either way. Like I cannot understand your frustration AT ALL, you get asked to post why I'm scum, you can't do it and then when I don't die you are frustrated....? People follow marv because he portrays that he is town first and foremost and then finds the scum at the same time. It won't work for you if nobody knows yours alignment because you trolled for 3 days straight. | ||
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On February 19 2014 09:48 marvellosity wrote: it was way too correct, that was possibly one of the biggest tells. reading that town-meta case you made on him, you're way too convinced by it holy. Yeh, what you said makes sense. What Palmar said doesn't ! | ||
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On February 13 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote: I'm not pretentious If you know someone is scum, and marv thinks VA is scum, marv gets his target lynched and you don't, even if marv is wrong, marv played better than you, because you did nothing. It's equally useless to have good reads and no ability to convey your thoughts to the town, as it is to have bad reads. | ||
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On February 19 2014 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Man im sorry for not playing the game as well as I couldve but we wouldve lost eventually. Why did scum let holyflare get so close to being lynched? I think that helped tremendously for the scumteam. We knew I could swing the vote but I decided to drag it on as long as possible for more town cred which played out pretty well. Also, I didn't fake that anger at palmar etc, I was genuinely annoyed that nobody was discussing anything but still voting when people gave no reasoning, hence why it seemed genuine. | ||
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Holyflare
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forgive me veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | ||
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