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On February 11 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I looked at him and saw Grackaroni. If you end up thinking he's scum, I look forward to a better case than geript's. Actually, can you elaborate a little bit while I write? Was there anything specifically that stuck out to you as being bad about his case or do you just mean the half-heartedness of his push in general? | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:26 Holyflare wrote: I have literally looked at amd made him explain everything that didn't make sense, what more is there to say about him other than a conclusion? Why are you saying nobody had talked about him when that is blatantly not true, you even responded to my posts talking about him. Why point out that i responded to your case really late, i was playing lol when you made it WITH YOU ON TS and went straight to bed afterwards? Simply stating facts about the timing of your response, I'm just annoyed that people have had ample time to discuss and nobody bothers; I am well aware that you went to bed and you actually responded I was serious about that, thank you. Yes you're right, you have talked about him but to be completely honest I think I was reading through the earlier sections where you talked about him in a bit of self-centered rage so what may be more detailed than I thought, I figured wasn't much. Lemme do this. | ||
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I like that you tried to get him to explain his Koshi townread (which is what I want from the entire damn thread) but he just offers the same thing as everyone else 'He doesn't look like scum Koshi.' K filtering | ||
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On February 09 2014 11:30 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I've just read through the thread. I guess I'll try my best to not be an asshole this game in order to delay my lynch for a few cycles. Plus you quoted me to support your attack on Koshi which is great for the ego. Koshi is more than willing to buddy Rayn as scum as well so him not doing it this game isn't the best argument for Koshi being scum, and as Marv already mentioned they weren't even posting at the same time. Semi-martyring = townpoints. Actual reasoning regarding Koshi this early is interesting but no proof and also solely meta (even though I think my feels at the time were mostly meta based as well). On February 10 2014 02:01 Grackaroni wrote: No I actually just think it's laughable that you think that people are scum for trying to lynch you. Now why did you think Corazon was town before, and why are you voting for him now? Aside from the trolling, there does appear to be some sort of direction to his early play, namely a push towards cora-and-maybe-marv. I'm not sure if I'm biased because marv is maybe-intentionally pissing me off these days but anyone who attempts to stick it to him automatically looks good. Especially considering he's right. Probably should do something about that bias but whatevs. On February 10 2014 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote Marv ##Vote: VayneAuthority We can lynch Vayne. On February 10 2014 03:44 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I give up for today. Risen safe lynch; best lynch NA. ##Unvote: VA ##Vote: Risen The rest of the day is dick all now. HF already addressed this and honestly I don't think any of the concerns brought up were dealt with adequately. On one hand I can certainly identify with often not having strong scumreads on D1 (though this isn't always necessarily true) but at the very least when I don't have strong scumreads I try to at least make reads in general and give my thoughts on them (and then I'm called scummy and 'wishy-washy)---Grack has done neither. He's 'given up on finding scum D1' but ALSO has shown that he doesn't even want to attempt to help the REST of town unless prodded intensely, which has continued well into today. On February 10 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me. Oh wait, he DOES maybe have a strong scumread in marv? He certainly mentions him enough in his filter but it's not a real push, it's trolly and I can't honestly tell if he's serious about it or not. That worries me. On February 10 2014 07:26 Grackaroni wrote: Geript? If Cora is mafia then he is probably being pretty heavily bussed by now. I don't think mafia would be trying to save him at this point. This post shows a little insight maybe, but they're way too few and far between. On February 11 2014 01:01 Grackaroni wrote: Well yeah he said that he wanted to kill Koshi for his posts not looking like he is having fun and then he said he was starting to like Koshi's posts (when it became more like Koshi's usual posting), but later in the day he's still super convinced that it's all an act which I don't like. And yeah VE thing was wtf. And recently the discussion on me began---I actually don't mind this much aside from the fact that it's slightly misrepresentative of what I'm trying to get at. Yes I said that it started to look more like his usual posting but only after being prodded. Sort of like how Grack has to be prodded. And the fact that I still feel like Koshi has skated by while doing absolutely nothing but nobody seems to want to look at that is what contributes to me thinking it's an act but whatever. And the VE thing I explained literally as it happened. I'm not sure if I see mafia agenda behind bringing me up as a target as he could simply be content to follow status quo since he's not in any real danger at the moment, and bringing up a new target and sort-of-pushing it will inadvertently bring attention to him...I mean yeah it's a mislynch but the intent seems honest. Grack I have one question for you right now before I look at geript's case on you: On February 11 2014 05:25 Grackaroni wrote: I'm just waiting for the nominations. Why, specifically? Conclusion on filterdive above pending. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:51 Risen wrote: So much fake rage in this game. Get questioned or disagreed with, rage. People back down because it shits up the thread. Rage a little more. Town meta. Are you referring to me? Out with it. You've mentioned fake rage a shit ton in this game and while I agreed with you when applied to Koshi I'd like to see some actual supporting content now because shitting on people from the sidelines is not helpful and grack-y. Geript rage, fake or real? My rage, fake or real? Koshi rage, fake or real? Why or why not? | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:49 Grackaroni wrote: No thats not true I said Koshi's posting seemed carefree so far which is the exact same metric that I used to push scum Koshi in SMB. You used that reasoning earlier (and my own post) to push Koshi as scum this game and now you're just completely ignoring it? Yes it is the same metric, but you talked about it specifically from the POV of the EARLY point in the game. I believe your post was about him reading his role PM and being depressed? Would you expect a scum Koshi to be depressed about reading his scum role PM the entire game? And as far as Koshi goes, nobody wants to talk to me about him or explain anything to me so I see no point in continuing to tunnel all game. If you can't already tell, I don't appreciate anti-town activity. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:36 Holyflare wrote: Only koshi...? I don't think you're reading right at all. Not only Koshi, I know, but that's just what I mentioned there. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, arguably Palmar "didn't think Cora was town", but my opinion is that his posting looks like he doesn't even care if he's town or not, and the fact is that the Cora wagon was fast and it LOOKED like a town wagon. And that's a problem for me, because of the post above. If Palmar is scum it looks more to me like he'd be trying to cover up the fact that he doesn't care by being non-apologetic about it, if that makes any sense. VE, you know palmar better than i do (I think), I've had problems with Palmar specifically ignoring me before and supposedly inadvertently pissing me off (that is, he said he didn't mean to when he finally finally responded to me, LXI I think it was). He appears to be pulling something right now by taunting me, and I can't tell what. Am I imagining this or is it simply Palmar? | ||
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On February 10 2014 06:45 geript wrote: ##vote Grackaroni First off, we can all agree that Grack's been useless this game. Unfortunately, this isn't alignment indicative of him though. There are some good reasons for him to be scum. + Show Spoiler [filters] + 1.He's objectively weird but no one has been interested in discussing him. Like he's gotten a complete free pass. 2. The Cora lynch has too much steam. There are way too many people ok with lynching Cora right now for it to end up being a good lynch. On top of that, Cora reacted to Palmar exactly how I had which should be a good litmus test. 3. Grack has bounced around to 3 different people with completely shitty reasons every time. 4. We get to avoid super awkward situations like happened in LXIV. 5. Grack has more swagger as town than he has as scum. Hell he's voted for himself both times as town (once was for mayor). He's also far more negative as scum than he is as town. It's weird to try and describe, but I'm not seeing any sense of confidence coming out of Grack. Most of his statements this game have been qualified: "I do think it could be" "I might be ok" "But you haven't done anything to try to solve the game?" There's a serious disconnect between these posts and how I read him in his other town games. 6. This is weak, but in his scum games he also uses quotes more than he does as town. It feels like his lack of confidence wants him to pad his filter with extra space. That's the bullet point. Rayn/VE your thoughts. The thing that was getting into my head was (bad wave, bad bad) pre-flip association to see if Grack/Geript team makes sense but I really don't think it does in the slightest. Grack responds to it so nonchalantly when it would be an amazing distancing play---it just seems way too unlikely. I honestly think some of Geript's terrible case here actually makes him look a little better simply BECAUSE it's so terrible (quotes? really?) but then I remember Sandroba in Shadow game so obviously scum are more than capable of making purposefully terrible cases on people who aren't their scumbuddies. Some of the points of the case themselves DO hold water but they're so superficial. not even close to what Holy was attempting to expose. Ultimately I don't think the case itself says much about geript OR grack, I think HF's pressure does a better job than that though now I find myself wanting more because I am left very unsatisfied with Grack's paly. | ||
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On February 11 2014 06:16 Risen wrote: Geript - Fake. Why rage? Super fake. You - Fake. Why rage? Has anyone actually done anything to misrepresent you entirely and the thread went along with it? Koshi - Self-admitted fake. I'm known for raging, but at least I only ever raged when the entire thread was going against me not at a single person or idea. It's absurd and toxic. Also fake. Can't tell if people are trying to play to metas or just feel like raging so they have an excuse to leave thread for a bit. Geript raged and left thread. Neither Koshi nor I did. Also I do not fake rage. That may not mean anything to you, but I don't really care as it matters to my standards. I rage when people say stupid shit about me, ESPECIALLY when i'm not around to correct them. See (Thug Life I think?) when I was like 10 min away from being lynched and frantically posting against a push on my lunch hour that started when i could not be in thread. yes you're right, i could be playing to my meta, but if so it's because that's simply how I play and that doesn't appear to be likely to change no matter how often i try. Now I actually Do have to leave thread, I'll be back at my usual time. Probably by myself as per usual. | ||
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On February 11 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: I just want to know the nominations.... -.- Feel like this dawn thing is kinda pointless as the optimal play is to NOT mention who you think is town like everyone (including rayn who said he agreed with this) has been doing. Also, wave, wtf are you doing? You just went through gracks filter and pointed out everything I had already brought to light to then reach.... no conclusion, yet, that was the thing you criticised/questioned me for? Also your post which has pre-flip associations in it shouldn't at all after your last 2 games: (Vengeful Mafia) (Shadow Mafia) So why did you start out the game with pre-flip associations in your mind when you know that it hasn't been working out for you and even said you don't want to do it in previous 2 games? Phoneposting You should read what I wrote. First of all, not mainly basing anything on association, but I'm mentioning it anyway. I still have a scum read on geript, that hasn't changed. As for my conclusion on grack, if you'd read what I wrote, I said conclusion Iis pending based on his answer to my question which he hasn't given me. The bad prefliip business does not on its own influence what I think about either of them, and does not contradict at all what I'm doing Palmar ignoring me again Love it | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:55 Risen wrote: Yeah and he buddied me. For the third time now, I did not buddy you. I have said this repeatedly and you have ignored it, but calling you town != buddying. marv clearly I don't get half of the shit you try to do so in not getting your 'joke, yeah, I guess I acted like scum DP. That must make me scum, obviously, you know, 'cause we're the same person. | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: he didn't even react that angrily to toad's shittest case on him in shadow, this overreaction at koshi (who he thinks is scum) is totally unlike any wave that i've checked up on and his reaction to the rest of the thread is.... the same. Are you kidding me?! I raged super hard at TOad's case wtf are you actually saying going to tear this shit up hardcore when Iget back | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:05 Risen wrote: Independent is fine. I'm wrong a lot and don't really learn from anything so I can dig it. But if you're going to play like that why are you getting mad at people saying mean things about you instead of getting mad when people ignore you? There's a disconnect and I think it's really telling. I AM FUCKING MAD THAT PEOPLE HAVE IGNORED ME ALL GAME ABOUT KOSHI WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:08 marvellosity wrote: oh shut up Wave, christ. I am not going to swear at you right now because I don't want to be modkilled. Suffice it to say I am...disappointed in you marv. You truly make this game unenjoyable. I am going to eat dinner right now. When I come back, I am going to tear all of this shit right up and set things straight. | ||
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I've eaten, watched Canada fail in the Super Combined, and attempted to calm down. I'm not even going to bother asking if people want to discuss anything with me now, because it seems like most people have already assumed that I'm scum. I'll tell you this much, I will NOT be lynched and I will prove myself as I always do. Now, as far as nominations go, I haven't given them much though because I basically assumed scum were going to take the obvious choice and nominate the three strongest players in the game. The question of course becomes is it a 3-T scenario or the riskier 2T-1S? (Not considering other options because those seems kind of silly or really conspiracy-theory minded. Won't rule them out but won't talk about them here) Scenario A) Marv scum - If this is the case Rayn and Palmar are almost certainly town. Marv is by far the least likly to be lynched of the three and the scumteam would know this. Pretty simple. B) Rayn scum - Possible but pretty risky, again going against town Marv and Palmar who has proven a little unconventional at least by the standards of this game. c) Palmar scum - Unlikely in my opinion because we've already got some people who have assumed Palmar is the weakest of the three and should be lynched even if they are all town, so the scumteam submitting him to go against two stronger players is an unnecessary risk. d) No scum - Pretty likely scenario here. This is basically scum's NK, and giving up the chance to eliminate one of the strongest players from the game for a gamble at towncred (I believe someone has mentioned this already) doesn't appear to be good play. It might be useful for the long game, but even then one would have to be sure they'd be able to reap enough towncred to survive really late game, and given marv's recent performance as scum I don't think anyone will make that mistake again. I don't think I have any reason to assume anything other than all three of them being town, in which case as much as I am sick of dealing with marv in this game, scum are likely to eliminate him anyway with their free shot so we should keep him alive as long as we can as he's likely to out a few scum in the meantime. It's a crapshoot for me between Rayn and Palmar, I'll go with whoever the town decides is better off for lategame. Each of the two has their upsides and downsides as town imo, so I have no preference. + Show Spoiler + Conspiracy theory - All 3 scum? lol no way. Even 2...I doubt marv would allow this if he were one of them as he much prefers conventional play from what I've seen. If it is 2 it would have to be Palmar and Rayn---essentially bussing one of them to give the other 'ultimate' towncred after marv gets shot leaving only one of these three alive. As long as people keep this in mind to lategame it's unlikely to be a problem---but it's also extremely unlikely in the first place. I don't think either Palmar or Rayn would need to fight for the towncred like this. 3 town is the scenario imo. Now I'll talk about some of the shit nobody wants to hear. | ||
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On February 11 2014 09:50 marvellosity wrote: who cares? that's irrelevant. lol. Do you honestly think that I as scum would be retarded enough to try and go up against strong townies in this game? Like I know I don't get lynched under normal circumstances, but given a choice of me you and palmar, me rayn and palmar, or me and almost WHOEVER, really, even were we all town don't you think I would be the most obvious choice as one of the weaker players who will prove to be less useful than the other two? Marv you complain about people not using their brains? Use yours. Oh and as far as what I said about you being unwarranted? On February 11 2014 09:13 marvellosity wrote: This is basically totally unwarranted, but whatever. Not at all. Last game I said similar things, and despite this game you not acting like a complete asshole and destroying the thread, the fact remains that you are REDACTED (I don't want to be modkilled. Not swears but descriptive of you and personal attacks are not warranted). You can go ahead and assume I'm saying these things as scum if you want, but I promise you they are completely alignment non-indicative and I will continue to believe them unless for some reason you change this incorrigible attitude of yours. You just think it's ok to be this way because you think you're right and you think I'm scum. Maybe being wrong a couple times will humble you up some. I don't think you understand how frustrating it is to play with people who won't listen to what you say at all, who completely ignore your efforts, and attack you only when you're not around and/or assume things based on lies. You're MARV, so this has never happened to you. Hell even in Shadow game when I put all that effort in, people were content to say 'BIG WALL OF TEXT WAVE TOWN' without reading much of what I wrote. It fucking sucks. Moving on. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:14 marvellosity wrote: Would you answer the stuff that rayn and I brought up please? Specifically what? | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: he didn't even react that angrily to toad's shittest case on him in shadow, this overreaction at koshi (who he thinks is scum) is totally unlike any wave that i've checked up on and his reaction to the rest of the thread is.... the same. On January 25 2014 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, don't talk about ongoing games. Second, if you would like to hear my entire thought process, yes I am relieved to roll town because of the stacked-ness of this game but part of me is slightly meh about it because I ALWAYS ROLL TOWN AND IM SICK OF IT LOOK AT MY PAST GAMES. Third, do you actually and truly think that as scum, I would come into the thread, and make a post like that which would give my scum-thoughts away like 'oh shit I'd better pretend to be happy in writing' but I'm too stupid to make up a post that actually gets that across? Like it's as fucking ridiculous as calling someone scum because they're pissed off post-lynch. Just retarded fucking arguments. And don't you DARE try to get out of this by using my second point and being like 'well now I understand his thought process so I guess that's out' You shouldn't even be using arguments like that in the first place, they're fucking terrible. HEY FOOLISHNESS IM SWEARING< MUST BE SCUM LOLOLOL Show me. Show me how I didn't rage at Toad in Shadow game. Difference there is I didn't have the whole thread down my back, just Foolishness and TOad's bad cases. I proved myself town pretty well there and I'll do the same here. A better example would be Thug Life. Go read that and then come back to me and tell me overreacting is a wavescum thing. Marv you remember that, don't you? Would you like me to bring up examples or should we wait for Holy to find them? I don't fake rage. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote: Please don't accuse me of not using my brain when you don't understand what I was getting at. I'm not certain you are mafia or anything. So if you were under no suspicion you may have been nominated and obviously that would have been pretty telling on your alignment. The way things went, we'll never know. Me being under no suspicion even if I were scum has NO BEARING on whether I'd be nominated or not. Why the hell would scum waste a sure kill on a stronger townie (assuming a 3town nom) by putting me up for nomination? Do you think if I were up for nomination with two stronger people you would have voted for one of the others? There is absolutely no way in hell scum would ever put me up for noms when they can eliminate you guys, EVEN IF I were the towniest town that ever towned specifically because of the usefulness factor. You should know that, and it's pretty damn obvious. Your central points about Cora were buried ages ago. I'll start. | ||
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