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On February 09 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote: What the fuck is this Wave? I'm playing LoL what do you want? Really? On February 09 2014 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh, I'm okay with geript for now. *shrug* Wave if you want to elaborate on your feels a little bit I might be down with lynching Koshi. On February 09 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not really bad at all. I am inherently untrustworthy of buddying, whether with me or anyone else. I often buddy to some degree with VE in games and even then I second-guess myself constantly as to motivations. I would think especially after coming off of two strong wins scum would want to buddy with a town-marv, and if you're scum then it doesn't really say a lot I don't think. Buddying in general however brings me to Koshi. His best buddy of all time is in this game, and yet Koshi has made no attempt to do his usual insane (and no offense) annoying buddying with Rayn. Up until only recently when I voted for him, Koshi has not commanded the attention and the usual joyfulness at rolling town that he does---only now have I seen a semblance of the carefree attitude he normally has. Before this he has been avoiding answering questions, being purposefully lazy and unhelpful. I hosted SMB mafia with Dandel recently and Grack came up with this read on scum Koshi that was spot on D1. Yes, a lot of it based on meta and feels, but they're strong feels. On February 09 2014 09:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Not particularly. VE, I believe you were also asking for rationale on Koshi. Thoughts? Oh...I think I missed this one. On February 09 2014 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Wave I'll tell you the same thing I told Cora - he wasn't "on the hook" in the first place. People are considering him for lynch now, but for reasons I think are not so much alignment indicative and I'm not convinced he's a good lynch. I don't know what's supposed to be unacceptable - I told him I thought that what Slam did was null after he asked. That was pretty much the end of it yeah? Like, I never thought he thought it was scummy of Alak in the first place (which is explicit in MY post on the matter) so I don't feel like he's suspiciously dropping it or whatever. I would have found it more suspicious if he had tried to make a case on Alak based on what he's posted so far. ##Unvote Fine at least look at what I wrote about Koshi above, I thought you never responded to my questioning about Cora either. | ||
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On February 09 2014 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave what was the point of all that? VE didnt even say anything. On February 09 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote: What the fuck is this Wave? I'm playing LoL what do you want? You're a good reader Oats. Almost as good as me. | ||
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On February 09 2014 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I agree with that what you say about Koshi. His play lacks...I don't know what else to call it but direction. Like, take Oats for example. That last post by Oats, while succinct, explains Oats thoughts about someone. And while he's not in here writing paragraphs, that's the kind of post I'd expect from a town aligned Oats. I expect similar almost effortless forays into the thread from a town-aligned Koshi that I'm not seeing here. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi I'm with you on this one. His response to you calling him suspicious was super bad too - like, it's not even like he was interested in why you found him suspicious, he just used you as a means to not do anything by saying "Welp you must be scum then" + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/b5/20120914120348!Exploding-head.gif) Did you.... read the thread occurrences since that post of mine? I'm not so sure I even believe it myself anymore. Marv shot it down pretty quickly and Koshi's responses were...decent? I'm still not a fan of his play though and something marv said kinda clicked with me thinking about it now On February 09 2014 08:57 marvellosity wrote: Naw, you have to fight your own battles. We both know that lazy Koshi can just be a cover from scumKoshi. And while I agree about VA it feels kinda thin. Which isn't your fault but I don't really want to vote him for just that atm. And it does feel like marv fought his battle for him even though Koshi eventually responded to my questions. I just can't shake the feeling that he only did so because marv wasn't ready to flat out tell me to back off, and his play around then precisely describes what I feel like I should have seen in a town Koshi from the start. And then another issue is what are your thoughts on VA? His posting around then and recently as well? I had the same sort of idea about VA being scummy as both marv and Koshi---the only thing I can think of is some sort of convoluted bus thing but I refuse to entertain that right now (even as it sits gnawing away at my skull). | ||
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I have super conflicting reads on VA now, especially since him and Koshi are intertwined. VA started out tryhardy-serious = scum VA Now is being kinda useless-but-not-trolly = ?? VA Martyring = town Ugh. VE before I mentioned Koshi to you is there anyone you were looking at? | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote: if im reading this correctly, the first thing that sticks out to me is that mafia only gets one kill chosen solely by them, so I would keep a close eye on who they decide to kill. can't really waste that on WIFOM is a town is dominating. WTF is he trying to say with this? Does this constitute an important thought? On February 08 2014 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I'd say the mafia team would not bother chatting with eachother this early, if they have even showed up at all. Can probably put mutually exclusive brackets on geript(wave,yamato) Terrible association reads---I can honestly think of zero reason why this would be true, and I think this was pointed out at the time as well by someone else. On February 09 2014 08:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I agree, but I townread the slot he is filling so I am unsure On February 09 2014 09:13 VayneAuthority wrote: typically a lot of people like to do that as scum including myself, it's easy to just go through and quote stuff and say it is bad. pretty much the easiest cases to make as scum. He did it in our last game on mig and such in w/e that game was This was about my read on Koshi. I actually forgot about this. On February 09 2014 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote: what do you think of his idea Wave? On February 09 2014 16:14 VayneAuthority wrote: pretty much I will agree on any policy involving lynching the less desirable players even if it includes myself after giving it some thought. There is no reason for mafia to not nominate all the more townie looking people and make town pick off the better players. So it is really in our best interests to weed out those not participating as much (I realize that is me right now, but day 1 I am never that active) IS this an idea? It's pitiful if so---like I often don't follow strategy talk particularly well and have to have stuff explained to me but all this looks like to me is a simple policy lynch and has no real bearing on setup. Obviously when you policy lynch it's going to be into the pool of 'less desirable players' (ie lurkers and whatnot) but that's the same thing in ANY game. Is the point to avoid lynching into players who are likely to be put up for nomination? Because I would think that fairly obvious considering it's probably likely the scum will put up strong players to be removed who we wouldn't want to be lynching anyway. On February 09 2014 17:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Well looking at his filter, he seems to like...want you to think he is scumhunting right? But then comes in later and sayshe wants to policy lynch lurkers? Like he was talking about PoEing the scum or whatever, has he abandoned that approach entirely because scum aren't likely to nominate lurkers? I just don't understand how a townie gets from A to B you know? DOES he want us to think that? Doesn't honestly look like it considering he's barely commented on anything but setup all game. Here's my problem. Overall, useless VA is more likely to be town which really hurts me to say. And he's supporting the idea of a Koshi lynch, which I have now apparently garnered support for (though he didn't actually vote...?) Again this either all some weird distancing tactic or VA is simply being his useless town self and sheeping along effortlessly. Thoughts? I'll look at your comment on yamato in a sec VE, then I gotta go to bed. | ||
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Reading that made me angry at VA's contribution level. And whenever I get angry at VA's contribution level he's town, without fail. That's where I stand on that. ##Vote: Koshi On February 09 2014 17:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I wasn't liking yamatos repeated "bored nothing happening will come back if ur lucky" crape earlier but that could totally come from town yamato and he has said some stuff that was okayish. He really isn't giving me much to work with, and his argument with Cora is making my asa twitch. What do you think? He moved off of it briefly to shut me down for basically no reason....and now I'm curious considering his stance on VA/Koshi. On February 09 2014 15:30 yamato77 wrote: Cora specifically said, "I am waiting for Yamato to respond to me". Kinda have to harp on that shit, bro. I'm on Koshi's side in the VA-Koshi dynamic. VA looks more like mafia than Koshi does. I don't understand the VE thing at all. Why is him being afk reason to vote him? Not thrilling, Wave. Like I remember thinking that I agreed with marv/Koshi but looking at VA's filter anew he's not cracking jokes and shit, true, but it's not about that. It's whether or not 6 months ago I'd be yelling at him for doing dick all. And in this game I would be 100%. | ||
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Yamato consider VA and Koshi again. I believe one of them is likely scum. Both have done nothing all day. One is playing like ass and making no excuses for his play, and martyring to some degree. The other is acting odd as all hell, and hiding behind the strong players in the game. My money's on Koshi. | ||
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On February 10 2014 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah about this. You didn't agree but all the reads you gave line up with mine. What's up with that? Phoneposting Not following the rage from Koshi All he has done this game is suck up to the big names in this game and hide behind their egos Only does relevant things when attention is drawn to it/under pressure. Super town And I must say I hate this technique of bullying the hell out of people who vote for you Looks like you've taught Koshi well marv, soon everybody can act like an asshat. Vote stays---raging and acting antitown on top of a previous useless day doesn't make me want to unvote you, if anything it makes me want to remove you from the game more the only way I know how Back later | ||
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I can't say I'm entirely surprised with the way the lynch today went---I don't care what other people say it certainly did look 'too easy,' and while I doubt I would have necessarily fought against it, especially since my lynch wagon on Koshi lost any support, I would have at least mentioned that fact as geript did. (Make of that what you will, obviously can't prove any of it.) Cora didn't exactly look great to me either but I was waffling on it throughout the day so in the end I'm happy my vote is on scum, whether you guys are willing to believe it or not. On February 10 2014 03:46 Koshi wrote: Also WoS is voting me atm for reasons that are not reasons why I am scum. On February 10 2014 03:47 Koshi wrote: It's "policy" This is absolutely ridiculous. Koshi lays in as soon as I leave the thread, fine, but the way he does it---he flat out lies about what I've posted. On February 10 2014 04:02 Koshi wrote: I will tell you that WoS has no reasons for why I am scum. 1) I don't buddy rayn this game. 2) I am not active enough 3) I hide agaisnt strong players. (Are this marv & rayn?) 4) last post which I guess is Policy. So WoS is using feels and Policy on me. Seems like it is working. 1) Point stands. 2) Doesn't even begin to address what I mention in that post. It has nothing to do with how often you post, it's the way in which you were posting up until attention was drawn to it. You were completely lacking the normal fun-loving carefree attitude you normally display as town which you have since attempted to make up for. 3) You're hiding behind them and letting them do all the work for you, not attempting to read anyone until bothered by someone you might feel threatened by and when someone DOES threaten you you let others berate them for you. Marv is the best example. 4) If you only consider my last post then maybe it's policy. But I dunno I consider doing nothing all day and the stuff in this post On February 10 2014 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting Not following the rage from Koshi All he has done this game is suck up to the big names in this game and hide behind their egos Only does relevant things when attention is drawn to it/under pressure. Super town And I must say I hate this technique of bullying the hell out of people who vote for you Looks like you've taught Koshi well marv, soon everybody can act like an asshat. Vote stays---raging and acting antitown on top of a previous useless day doesn't make me want to unvote you, if anything it makes me want to remove you from the game more the only way I know how Back later pretty alignment indicative. Now where exactly do you come up with the idea that I have no reasons to be voting you enough for you to rage so incredibly hard and fight like you did? On February 10 2014 04:39 Risen wrote: Yeah I don't like Cora saying he won't get lynched because ADD voting or something trying to get in my head. Vote is standing. Koshi fake rage is annoying. Risen picks this shit up right away. Looks like I've actually got my reads in the right place for once this game. I think the best part about this whole section is you don't even mention me after this point. Even once. Hell from my reading of the thread I don't think ANYBODY did. So why are you On February 10 2014 04:03 Koshi wrote: I am just pointing out it is really weak. ? Are you going somewhere with it? No you're not, because other people in the thread at the time have already read me as town so you feel forced to back down and hide like you have been all game. You know who else thought you were scum? Town Cora. You know who else thinks you look scummy? On February 10 2014 05:25 Risen wrote: Why do you feel the need to justify your posting? Scummy. Risen, who is one of my townreads and has been since the start. On February 10 2014 07:08 marvellosity wrote: there is no way Cora gives up as town. He screams to the hills, all day every day. I consider his play to be a virtual mafiaclaim, similar to Artanis in Vengeful. The most damning thing is that he didn't go "OMG MARV IS TUNNELLING ME LIKE EVERY GAME". I guarantee he does that if he is town. Corazon does not see a vote on him by me and say NOTHING about it. Nuh uh. On February 10 2014 07:09 Koshi wrote: THEN IT IS DECIDED. Nope not hiding behind marv at all. This is something that makes me curious since I was the primary proponent of a Koshi lynch...it seems people really DID forget about me entirely after I left... On February 10 2014 07:37 Koshi wrote: And you aren't? THERE LITERALLY ARE NO REASONS TO LYNCH ME. Oats is mad because I went a bit overboard with the spam. That's his only reason. Already showed them. Wish I was in thread at this point. I really do. On February 10 2014 07:38 Corazon wrote: Does this look like a rage post? Stop trying to cover this up. Doesn't even address these points, whether legitimate or not, THEY ARE REASONS. This post is getting massive but there's enough in here. HF now that you're in thread I want to talk to you about the first part of your post regarding Koshi, Palmar and VA. Does what you posted about Koshi make him scum? | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:39 Risen wrote: I'm guessing a setup nomination to get rid of me. Completely nonsensical people being put up. On top of this, if WoS/Palmar are scum I'm screwed since I've given them hall passes on buddying me in an attempt to not be uber paranoid. Something that hurts: Rayn the Relentless hasn't said as many nice things about me as usual this game :/ <3 Catching up, but there are so many things that are just flat out wrong that so many people have said about me. I've already asked you this, but where am I buddying you? Giving you a townread != buddying. As far as the Koshi read goes, fuck it. Nobody even bothers responding to anything I wrote and are just calling me scum now so I guess I'll just drop it, but can somebody at least do me the simple fucking courtesy of explaining what exactly makes Koshi town that ISN'T people's townread on Slam? Inc: list of things that stood out/pissed me off during reread, and updated reads. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote: Im response to the wave post after I went to bed. I want people to explain their votes that were unexplained. I don't know anything about someone who unvotes and votes with nothing in their filter saying why. Regardless of whether cora flipped mafia or town this holds true. I wanted people to respond before the flip actually happened because maybe their responses would be more alignment indicative. For everyone else, wave's long post is really odd. His scum read was koshi but then when koshi "lied" about wave's case wave made that giant post that said nothing other than koshi totes lying and here's why. It was a colossal defence post ment to implicate koshi. He then asked me for conclusions from my questioning about whether people were town or not before nominations occur and it's not our lynch phase. Both he and grack have almost no mention of cora wagons as far as i remember (grack definitely doesn't after i questioned him). Will post more when I'm back from uni, hold tight. Marv was town like halfway through day 1 by the way, why did you take so long to notice? He was asking about people, pointing out things and being agreeable with that touch of marv ego assholeishness. Thank you for at least responding to me, hours later. I I disagree with your assessment of my Koshi case, because him lying about what I'm saying is only part of it, btu whatever under duress of fucking everybody in thread and nobody caring, I suppose I have to drop it, don't I if I actually want to be useful to town in some way? Are you referring to me when you ask about marv being town? I don't give a shit about marv's ego; yes he is in all likelihood town but just because he does things that fit his 'marv town meta' doesn't mean he is not aware of what that is. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote: I wish Palmar would stop pushing weird things. INTERLUDE. TERRIBLE META COMPARISON OF THE DAY: On February 11 2014 02:29 Palmar wrote: Best use of meta I've seen. I'm totally off the WoS=town wagon now. Is this a fucking bait? Because just tell me now so I don't rage even harder than I'm about to. I HATE being baited. Are you REALLY using meta on me from almost a YEAR ago that not only proves absolutely nothing and ignores all circumstances of the games in which they take place, but also completely ignores my evolving reads on you in the games we've played together since? Like last time someone pulled this terrible meta shit completely unabashedly it was scum Palmar in Thug life, and hey, what do you know, Palmar is here agreeing with marv for some ungodly reason. Like...I really don't understand the point of this nor do I even think I fully understand the meta comparison you're trying to make. Am I overreacting and is this a joke? Because if so I'm not sure I get it. On February 11 2014 02:36 marvellosity wrote: Meh, maybe? It seems a lot less egregious than Wave ignoring what we think on Koshi, for example. I've never explicitly called you town this game I don't think either, I've just treated you that way mostly, which is more subtle and for people not-us isn't totally evident, and perhaps even if it was evident he'd like to have his own opinion. IM IGNORING WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE NNOBODY HAS GIVEN ME A REASON, YOU JUTST SAY SHIT LIKE THIS On February 10 2014 22:18 marvellosity wrote: You can hide behind me if you like, he'll hate that. Do you have any idea how frustrating this shit is for me? It's making this game completely unenjoyable to simply be ridiculed and ignored and now on top of that people are calling me scum for shit I don't understand and hasn't been explained thoroughly. | ||
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On February 10 2014 22:26 geript wrote: You just made me snort decaf coffee out of my nose. Thank you dear. Posts like this, the 'wubbybumpkins,' they're all whatever but the emotional gamut geript has run in this game strikes me as extremely fucking odd. Rages when under pressure, completely jovial when not and trying to get people on his side through emotional appeal...it's just such WEIRD play. On February 10 2014 23:35 geript wrote: Because I've played more with you than I have with him and feel like from voice I can get a solid read on you. I think this was pointed out already but that's just a horrible post. Voice !=forum. Like ever. On February 10 2014 23:50 geript wrote: I let him do his thing on Koshi because my time is pretty limited 1 so my ability to read thoroughly is down, because he should read me as obv town by now (and at least consider my opinion), because our schedules haven't seemed to align yet and because Wave needs the back and forth. Besides, at no point has Koshi ever been under any actual realistic lynch potential. I really don't get why you'd expect me to protect a townread when there's no chance of him being lynched right now. No, I think you might be scum because of how/when you pushed things. With you I need to go into more depth in a read than just filters. And yes, while voice doesn't transfer over 100% I don't think it's a 0% rate either. Like you make conscientious attempts to protect your scum bros until they're Unsalvageable. Here's the thing Rayn, everybody is letting me do my thing on Koshi and NOBODY gives a shit. That's not what makes geript scummy. He assumes I should read him as obvtown right now and he hits the points that he thinks will appeal to me (ie me needing the back-and-forth)---all emotional and 'feels'-type appeals and nothing concrete. There is zero reason why I should have geript as town right now based on his blatant buddying of me. And I think somebody asked why I haven't buddied VE either? Gotta find that post, but 'cause no townfeels from him this game. Not even close to what I got in Shadow game. | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:53 Risen wrote: Is wave's voice play that much different than his voice play? You can't compare voice to forum Risen. They're completely different media---the reads I come up with in voice are impossible to do in forum where you have as long as you need to plan stuff out, post, and show as little or as much emotion as you need to. Palmar, stop taunting me and explain yourself. | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I JUST asked Risen to explain his own comment in further detail, then Koshi came in and did the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. VE are you town? Tell me straight up. People fucking TALK to me | ||
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On February 11 2014 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Or don't. Whatever, I'm making porkchops so I should be back in ~72 hours. Can you talk or is the above true? If so, mebbe talk to me about Grack. I have some feels going on and I want to see if anyone else has them. | ||
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I'm actually going to do a full dive of Grack. People aren't paying enough attention to him and there's soemthing in the back of my mind that I want to get out one way or another---going to try to do it without geript-scum bias in my head because I know geript has been sort-of-but-not-really-pushing him and asking people to look at him. | ||
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On February 11 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Grack just shut up if you're not going to do anything to help anyone get a read on you. Continually trolling the game, if you're town, is anti-productive and frankly playing against your win condition. If you're scum keep doin what you're doin I guess. OO me likey. This is reminiscent of the VE of old, not the passive shadow of a man who stands before me. I have to look at what geript said and see if any of it holds water---I think I may do my own first and then compare what he said to what I come up with. | ||
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