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Now the issue I have here is the eventual explanation of Koshi's VA read/vote.
The reasoning I originally was asking him about is the same thing marv and Koshi just referred to---put simply, scumVayne cares way more about a game than townVayne, and his early posting was enough that it actually showed just a little effort, enough to make me raise my eyebrows at it. I asked Koshi because I wanted to know if he picked up on it, which it seems he had, but the explanation was not offered.
Instead this was given
On February 09 2014 05:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say the mafia team would not bother chatting with eachother this early, if they have even showed up at all. Can probably put mutually exclusive brackets on geript(wave,yamato) Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
if im reading this correctly, the first thing that sticks out to me is that mafia only gets one kill chosen solely by them, so I would keep a close eye on who they decide to kill. can't really waste that on WIFOM is a town is dominating. + No anger vs geript.
none of which he bothered explaining when I asked.
The problem here is VA has since apparently agreed with my 'feels' read of Koshi before I bothered to show a great deal of reasoning, and has activity or whatever could be referred to as activity has fallen off. The two of them having scumreads on each other makes it slightly perplexing.
Marv, are you going to leave Koshi to fight his own battle or would you like to comment on any of the above?
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Not particularly.
VE, I believe you were also asking for rationale on Koshi.
Thoughts?
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Actually for that matter anyone can comment.
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Palmar if you'd like to talk, actually we can do that---will you be around in a couple hours?
Sorry for spam
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On February 09 2014 09:23 Risen wrote:Sure why not. I don't have the best feelings about WoS just because he tried to buddy me, though. So that's probably paranoia. I'm working on it.
Giving you a townread is trying to buddy you?
k.
On February 09 2014 09:48 marvellosity wrote:
boo. Odin would have been so much easier to read.
Agreed. All dem scummers replacing out.
On February 09 2014 09:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Buddying in general however brings me to Koshi.
His best buddy of all time is in this game, and yet Koshi has made no attempt to do his usual insane (and no offense) annoying buddying with Rayn. Up until only recently when I voted for him, Koshi has not commanded the attention and the usual joyfulness at rolling town that he does---only now have I seen a semblance of the carefree attitude he normally has. Before this he has been avoiding answering questions, being purposefully lazy and unhelpful.
Koshi's first post of the game: Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Hi all. Read everything xcept latest 5 messages. Atm at party and will release all my reads when home. I can tell you 1 thing. I had the sickest townread on slam. He is totes town for sure. Also yamato post on Risen post was hilarious. rayn's last, and only, since Koshi's first post: Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One question Cora. You said you ahev a rough idea of Slam's playstyle, but in the same sentence you also said you don't know if this is something that is normal for him (the early vote) and ask about it. Why would you ask that because (1) if you have a rough idea of his playstyle how come you don't know if it's normal to him or not and (2) it's probably the easiest thing to check by yourself?
I'm sorry, but does Rayn need to be in thread for Koshi to send a message to Rayn or talk about him?
Palmar did you want to talk? I'm here.
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On February 09 2014 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, inane buddying tends to happen in real time, rather than randomly in single posts that aren't being responded to.
Shouldn't have to spell that out.
I disagree with that completely.
Look here:
On February 08 2014 14:47 geript wrote:
Also, where's my wubbybumpkins. His kid should be asleep.
There should be nothing stopping a town Koshi from saying 'Hey Rayn is in this game, I should send him something super upbeat and friendly in thread!'
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Nope.
Fail to see anything terrible about it marv.
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Koshi is a very specific case.
And in regards to Rayn I was talking about buddying you in specific as well. You're comparing apples and oranges here and calling them both rotten.
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You didn't comment on anything else I said marv. I'm going to assume you're not going to bother?
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How the fuck is it hypocritical?
Town Koshi normally buddies Rayn. Doesn't. Looks shitty to me.
Rayn attempting to buddy you, also looks shitty to me because in most cases I don't trust buddying.
MOST CASES.
Apparently I need to be completely single-minded in all my views just to please you.
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Alright well then maybe I can deal with somebody who doesn't have the propensity to be an ass to people for fun. Wish it were alignment indicative but you know yourself and what people think of you all too well.
Again, anyone else is welcome to comment on anything I wrote.
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On February 09 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote:
I literally explained that the last game that me and rayn played together as town we buddied each other right from the start.
So perhaps you can understand my confusion why Koshi is supposed to buddy rayn but rayn buddying me is a bad thing.
Because your ego is massive as town and given your performance in the last two games, I believe it would be in scum's best interests this game to attempt to buddy you if you're town.
I've already explained this. I actually don't care in the slightest how terrible you think that is.
I already even discussed it with Rayn himself to some degree, although he seemed to think it wasn't buddying at all.
On February 08 2014 22:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I took that conersation to be about the townreads part not about where he said not to be discussing anything.
I agree that's dumb. But if you think it was dumb why not pursue it at the time with geript then?
And as far as you/marv yes his appearance was meh; but I assumed buddying based on your earlier interaction with him.
On February 08 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:I asked him if he wants to help me lynch mafia. That's not buddying.  There is no reason for me to repeat what geript said. I know yamato pushed the same thing in the last game and actually now, that i just listened the podcast, i want to ask him why is he doing the same thing here as in the podcast in my opinion he agreed that was not the best strategy for the town.
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On February 09 2014 10:26 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, I'm aware you discussed it with rayn.
As a FYI, in my experience, people who buddy me are disproportionately likely to be town, because it's a risk for mafia to draw their attention to me for any reason. I'm hyper-aware of how people treat me in general because a) ego and b) I'm interactive anyways, so anyone buddying with me is automatically drawing some of my attention.
I don't tend to fall into the "he likes me, he town" trap that some people do.
I can't just take your word on this, you know.
Koshi, I'd like you to explain this post to me.
On February 09 2014 05:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say the mafia team would not bother chatting with eachother this early, if they have even showed up at all. Can probably put mutually exclusive brackets on geript(wave,yamato) Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
if im reading this correctly, the first thing that sticks out to me is that mafia only gets one kill chosen solely by them, so I would keep a close eye on who they decide to kill. can't really waste that on WIFOM is a town is dominating. + No anger vs geript.
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On February 09 2014 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
You always say you can't take my word for things, and I always end up being right. I trust you'll learn at some stage.
I mean, I even explained the rationale behind what I said because I know you like that sort of thing. It should make sense to you.
The rationale you explained actually does make sense, but the problem is like I said, it involves me simply trusting you and taking your word for it, and I can't do that.
Since Palmar appears to be ignoring me for the moment, is there anything else we can discuss then?
Thoughts on Cora perhaps and his refusal to 'defend himself' (when all I really expected was some sort of response)?
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See NOW you look like town Koshi but it took me drawing attention to you to get it,
Dun like.
Koshi why those specific posts? Are they just examples of how VA is not being his 'town self' and not doing anything (which I agree with btw)?
And what about the rage vs geript part?
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On February 09 2014 10:13 Grackaroni wrote:
That is pretty terrible.
Hi Grack.
Read the thread?
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On February 09 2014 10:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
See NOW you look like town Koshi but it took me drawing attention to you to get it,
Dun like.
Koshi why those specific posts? Are they just examples of how VA is not being his 'town self' and not doing anything (which I agree with btw)?
And what about the rage vs geript part? BlazingHand got modkilled once for this line of argument. True story.
What?
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On February 09 2014 10:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 09 2014 10:39 marvellosity wrote:On February 09 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
See NOW you look like town Koshi but it took me drawing attention to you to get it,
Dun like.
Koshi why those specific posts? Are they just examples of how VA is not being his 'town self' and not doing anything (which I agree with btw)?
And what about the rage vs geript part? BlazingHand got modkilled once for this line of argument. True story. What? Ok I left out the bits with the rage and the swearing. But LIII BH: marv is doing nothing, he mafia *marv does things* BH: marv is still mafia, he only looks town because i called him mafia marv: um... BH: yeah you retarded scummer, etc etc *modkill*
Yeah I assumed there must have been more to it.
Alright so you don't want Koshi today, probably not Cora, anyone you DO want?
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On February 09 2014 10:47 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe if Palmar does non-geript or better-geript things and rayn tells me where to look, we can get a good lynch.
I just don't get this attitude (nor do I get what appears to be you assuming Palmar/Rayn are town already).
I need a break. I'll be around in case anyone has anything relevant for me.
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Yamato do you think Cora is scum or not? You're harping on shit that has already been brought up:
On February 09 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 01:47 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in your opinion was the discussion about geript you talked about and why did you not continue it by asking people about it if you thought that was important? Geript's vote for VA and the discussion that followed. When did I say I thought that discussion was important? I just said that I didn't comment on it because I thought it was Geript being Geript. What exactly are you referring to do when you say 'geript being geript?' I don't know I'd go so far as to say he was 'shitting up the thread,' but it was him I was referring to when I said his early efforts seemed 'forced,' not you. Cora, I have a problem. See, you share ideas that I somewhat agree with in that I believe something is 'up' with geript, and this though, I suppose and obvious question isn't exactly alignment indicative when we're both thinking it, (btw Koshi I am VERY interested in this particular question) but this post. I hate it. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 02:02 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. So you have not said pretty much anything then. Is there anyone that seems scummy to you atm? I know this going to sound like a cop-out, but I don't have any scumreads right now. (This thought line only works for me) I know that because I am VT, people attacking me either have to be wrong or scum. Rayn- I think your attack of me hinges on the interpretation that Geript's play was pro-active rather than shitting up the thread. It's not scummy if you disagree with me. WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to. Yamato- This: On February 08 2014 19:01 yamato77 wrote:RE: Cora Didn't care for this bit: On February 08 2014 12:25 Corazon wrote:On February 08 2014 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Well there is no "hook" for Alak to have to "get off" since he hasn't even been give a few hours. I think it is null for now Cora. It doesn't even feel scummy to you or you wouldn't be asking, you would be telling us.  Alright, I will give it a break. I just thought the conversation about Geript was going nowhere, so I wanted to throw it out there. @Oats: 4 people in this game are scum. When I figure out who is scum, I'll let you know babycakes Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then On February 08 2014 16:22 Corazon wrote:
Geript, when do you plan on actually trying to find scum? Just curious. Turns around and does the same stupid thing. I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway. Is just blatantly wrong. He calls me out without saying that my play has been useless/I'm shitting up the thread. He doesn't want to make these specific statements that I can easily disprove. My post to Geript was basically saying "When are you going to stop shitting up the thread" and he basically stated that I was shitting up the thread too, which is a complete lie. My behavior ≠ Geript's behavior, and it's pretty bad for Yamato to try and link them together. That is most of my thoughts on the game. I haven't seen too many egregious posts which also makes me think that we have another huge lurker scum team. But it's just a feeling. On one hand it seems like the kind of stuff I'd say as town, (ie drawing attention to yourself by saying having no scum-reads might be a cop-out, being all apologetic) but then why does this only apply to you? Cora what is your D1 play normally like? But the it looks like you're drawing distinctions where you feel like drawing them. Like it looks like you're afraid of Rayn (or maybe me lol) and throwing suspicion at yamato when Rayn literally said it was yamato's post that made him think you were scummy in the first place! Also you're saying the scumteam is hugely lurky IS a cop-out. Do you think everyone who has posted so far is town? Is yamato scum for saying what he did?
Or alternatively have a look at what I wrote about Koshi. Marv is the only person aside from Koshi himself who has bothered to talk to me about it.
Also I just realized, we haven't heard from Holyflare and VE STILL hasn't answered my damn questions.
On February 09 2014 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh, I'm okay with geript for now. *shrug*
Wave if you want to elaborate on your feels a little bit I might be down with lynching Koshi.
This was the last I heard from him, I made my post and he hasn't responded to that OR the specific questions I asked him.
Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write.
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