EPTI agree that's dumb. But if you think it was dumb why not pursue it at the time with geript then?
And as far as you/marv yes his appearance was meh; but I assumed buddying based on your earlier interaction with him.
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I agree that's dumb. But if you think it was dumb why not pursue it at the time with geript then? And as far as you/marv yes his appearance was meh; but I assumed buddying based on your earlier interaction with him. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like how does town benefit from knowing you think Risen is town? See this is what I mean. Is this a strategy thing this game that I shouldn't be giving out townreads period? I thought you were gonna be supportive of feels Rayn | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we pretend this is a nomination phase and let's say you are town here's what we got: Mafia knows you think Risen is town. Mafia probably also knows who you think is mafia if you have contributed enough. IF they wanna plan their nominations based on what people think about other people (why would they not?) it's easier if you can "rank" the players based on their towniness and make an educated guess on who is gonna get lynched if you nominate X, Y and Z. You would probably not vote for Risen in this scenario. So if Risen is town and put up for lynch candidate you will probably be voting for one of the two other guys. So, if mafia wants to put one scum out there, they already have information that your vote is gonna be at best for them 50/50 (assuming they wanna put Risen up for some reason). Now that's what mafia gains. What does town gain? That we know you think Risen is town "because of feels". Does that help? Is he up for lynch? Do you feel like he is getting mislynched now and that he needs your help because otherwise we lynch town? Well its not like anyone believes feels to be valid enough to consider anyway but I see your point. Townread was before I read the strategy talk so oops I guess. So as far as VE/Cora do you think scum-scum interaction then? Is on escummier than another? | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: And by "posted" i mean from the people who have actually said something intelligent. Well aside from one obvious case, are there others who fit in the category of not having said anything intelligent (not counting those who haven't participated). | ||
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Coras answer is that he doesn't know, not shutting down Oats, and his question to geript is more along the lines of 'stop fucking around.' If you think cora is fucking around then maybe its the same thing. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam, Holyflare. Dunno what to think about marv yet and Oats' being lurkish (he posted in the LXIV thread) is weird. Yeah slam is who I was referring to. HF I assume will show up w/strength at some point and same with marv in their own ways. Oats has actually posted a fair amount in thread thus far; do you mean that he chose to post in LXIV more recently than here as if he feels his 'contribution to thread so far is enough'? | ||
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Rayn will you be around in a few hrs? | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Cora is saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff. He brings up this weird "discussion about geript" which i have no idea where he is referring to in the first place. Then he he asks geript when he is gonna start scumhunting. But what i read at that point was geript being the most pro-active person in thread. What you call proactive I'd call 'forced' at that point in the game K bbl | ||
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On February 09 2014 01:47 Corazon wrote: Geript's vote for VA and the discussion that followed. When did I say I thought that discussion was important? I just said that I didn't comment on it because I thought it was Geript being Geript. What exactly are you referring to do when you say 'geript being geript?' I don't know I'd go so far as to say he was 'shitting up the thread,' but it was him I was referring to when I said his early efforts seemed 'forced,' not you. Cora, I have a problem. See, you share ideas that I somewhat agree with in that I believe something is 'up' with geript, and this On February 09 2014 04:18 Risen wrote: Reasoning? though, I suppose and obvious question isn't exactly alignment indicative when we're both thinking it, (btw Koshi I am VERY interested in this particular question) but this post. I hate it. On February 09 2014 02:02 Corazon wrote: I know this going to sound like a cop-out, but I don't have any scumreads right now. (This thought line only works for me) I know that because I am VT, people attacking me either have to be wrong or scum. Rayn- I think your attack of me hinges on the interpretation that Geript's play was pro-active rather than shitting up the thread. It's not scummy if you disagree with me. WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to. Yamato- This: Is just blatantly wrong. He calls me out without saying that my play has been useless/I'm shitting up the thread. He doesn't want to make these specific statements that I can easily disprove. My post to Geript was basically saying "When are you going to stop shitting up the thread" and he basically stated that I was shitting up the thread too, which is a complete lie. My behavior ≠ Geript's behavior, and it's pretty bad for Yamato to try and link them together. That is most of my thoughts on the game. I haven't seen too many egregious posts which also makes me think that we have another huge lurker scum team. But it's just a feeling. On one hand it seems like the kind of stuff I'd say as town, (ie drawing attention to yourself by saying having no scum-reads might be a cop-out, being all apologetic) but then why does this only apply to you? Cora what is your D1 play normally like? But the it looks like you're drawing distinctions where you feel like drawing them. Like it looks like you're afraid of Rayn (or maybe me lol) and throwing suspicion at yamato when Rayn literally said it was yamato's post that made him think you were scummy in the first place! Also you're saying the scumteam is hugely lurky IS a cop-out. Do you think everyone who has posted so far is town? Is yamato scum for saying what he did? | ||
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On February 09 2014 03:51 Risen wrote: "WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to." I disagree here on your point that wos is putting in too much earlier on you/VE. Before you made this post I was going to come into thread and ask if we could lynch you or VE. WoS having similar reads to me and saying them in thread doesn't man he's trying hard. It just means I'm more likely to be right. And yeah this too. First of all I don't make pre-flip association cases, ESPECIALLY after Shadow game. My asking about Cora/VE interaction was simply to extend 'feelers' because the interaction looked fishy to me in some way and I wanted to know what other people thought. And it's never too much effort for scum to do anything, really---what I did in no way required a lot of effort anyway and I'm not sure why what I did is town-indicative. It just looks like you're looking for reasons to differentiate me/rayn from yamato in that post. Risen can I ask you the question you were about to ask? Would you lynch Cora or VE? If so, which one and why? | ||
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Where you at? Oh and another one I guess: Rayn, your thoughts on the Oats vote directly after you semi-called him out? He did a similar thing to Geript earlier when he was called 'not dickish enough.' | ||
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Not a whole lot of anything has gone on so far so if you're simply content for status quo to continue by all means. | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:35 Palmar wrote: I'm btw assuming you assholes are all better than me at this by now. Any relevant thoughts? Ohai VE, can we let's have talk plz? VE, why was Cora's answer here On February 08 2014 12:25 Corazon wrote: Alright, I will give it a break. I just thought the conversation about Geript was going nowhere, so I wanted to throw it out there. @Oats: 4 people in this game are scum. When I figure out who is scum, I'll let you know babycakes  acceptable to you? It looks as though this was you letting HIM 'off the hook' considering how quickly he dropped it after a smile from you. And considering Cora's posting in the game so far, you categorize him as 'lazy' townie? He doesn't look lazy to me. | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:46 geript wrote: I'm here wubbybumpkins... explain this one to me. Apparently I'm not supposed to have townreads (unless you disagree with Rayn's explanation to me)? Even then, feels require no explanation. They come from the heart. I have some stuff for you though, did your frenetic posting earlier on in the game have a specific point to it? And your vote on Oats atm? If you actually think Oats is scum what do you make of his vote on Rayn? | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote: I'm about half way through the game. While I'm reading and since a few people seem to be around, I'd like to ask anyone that thinks he's posted well enough for him to think that others should have a strong townread on him, to step up and claim it. ie: if you think you're obvious town, please say you are obvious town. And please don't troll this questions, only say you are if you genuinely think your posting so far in the game should allow for an easy townread on you. This is an intriguing question, but do you find it all at odds with the idea that we should not be giving out townreads in this game? As for myself nobody ever thinks I'm obvtown D1, but I will be D2. Geript: his gore? Risen: I'd personally like Cora to return to see how he responds to my more recent posts about him. I'm mostly ok with VE atm, but waiting on answers from him as well. | ||
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Feels gathered. Phonepostibg but I'll be back in a few hours | ||
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On February 09 2014 08:10 marvellosity wrote: Also Koshi, talk to me about your VA read properly please. Because I may have been thinking similar things but I want to know if my similar things are actually your similar things or not. Is a mind meld still one if it happens hours later Problem is from that horrible explanation he gave so far I don't they are similar things to what I was thinking, and I have strong scumfeels on Koshi right now On February 09 2014 07:14 Koshi wrote: That is true. Town that wants to kill me when I am scum also die. PS Koshi I don't respond to threats---nor do I understand why threatening town makes sense AS town Using the 'people who attack me are scum' metric has failed for me about as much as it's worked these days so I don't have much faith in it anymore | ||
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You can start with his weird threats and uselessness so far though | ||
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On February 09 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote: I'm not "starting" with anything, you are. I'm waiting for you to do something rather than fling shit at him. Btw I saved this post on my readthrough because the bolded bit is really bad. People buddy with me all the time and I buddy with people all the time. rayn and I quite happily buddy & work together, see the first edition of LXIV for a really obvious example where we 69ed in PMs and rayn pushed me as mayor even though I'd not done much in the thread. rayn saying "let's find mafia together to me" does not warrant you saying that it looks bad to you. It's not really bad at all. I am inherently untrustworthy of buddying, whether with me or anyone else. I often buddy to some degree with VE in games and even then I second-guess myself constantly as to motivations. I would think especially after coming off of two strong wins scum would want to buddy with a town-marv, and if you're scum then it doesn't really say a lot I don't think. Buddying in general however brings me to Koshi. His best buddy of all time is in this game, and yet Koshi has made no attempt to do his usual insane (and no offense) annoying buddying with Rayn. Up until only recently when I voted for him, Koshi has not commanded the attention and the usual joyfulness at rolling town that he does---only now have I seen a semblance of the carefree attitude he normally has. Before this he has been avoiding answering questions, being purposefully lazy and unhelpful. I hosted SMB mafia with Dandel recently and Grack came up with this read on scum Koshi that was spot on D1. On January 17 2014 14:02 Grackaroni wrote: That was my real reason. Koshi is usually more invested in the game and it feels really off to me that he is both not present in thread and doesn't seem to be having as much fun in the game as he normally does. Yes, a lot of it based on meta and feels, but they're strong feels. | ||
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