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On February 17 2014 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like you keep saying "everyone has to vote together" and "it just takes one wrong townie to lose it for us" but you keep not doing shit to help us figure out if YOU are town or scum. Like, do you see where the breakdown is? Do you see why at least I find your self-defeatist attitude disingenuous in light of this?
I get it man, and I'm sorry, but I'm on phone only for a week somewhere that looks like Hoth.
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On February 17 2014 13:29 Grackaroni wrote:
And I definitely think the recent interactions between HF and Risen have seemed very strange. They are both really strongly against one another (for no real explainable reasons since there are a lot of really scummy looking people) in a game where scum might be feeling a stronger need to bus in order to gain enough town-cred to win.
I get the sentiment, but even I'm not bussing here when if wave flips scum we would autolose happens.
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Though hey, I'm down to push that line of thinking so long as we lynch wave and holy first. I'll vote myself on the final nomination day to help get things rolling.
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On February 17 2014 13:36 Holyflare wrote:
He wanted to lynch me for information on you and VA, it's quite evident
He said that he thought I was town so I doubt that one lol. And I just reread Marv it truly does appear that he is just terrible and didn't care who got lynched so he sheeped me for the fuck of it. I'm not saying that he didn't think you or Keir would flip mafia; it's more that he thought that everybody would flip mafia.
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Which I guess makes sense because I never bothered to explain why I wanted you lynched in the first place.
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On February 17 2014 13:42 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 13:29 Grackaroni wrote:
And I definitely think the recent interactions between HF and Risen have seemed very strange. They are both really strongly against one another (for no real explainable reasons since there are a lot of really scummy looking people) in a game where scum might be feeling a stronger need to bus in order to gain enough town-cred to win. I get the sentiment, but even I'm not bussing here when if wave flips scum we would autolose happens.
On February 17 2014 13:00 Risen wrote:
I think agrack flipping town confirms hf as scum as much as possible, so I have no problem with this.
##unvote
##vote: grackaroni
Can you really believe this? You lynch off the only person out of the 3 of us really interested in a HF lynch with the thought process of, "after Grack flips suuuurely they will all want to sheep his HF read."
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I like to think the rest of town would rally behind your death, whereas just the two of us don't seem able to convince ve/palmar/whoever.
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On February 17 2014 15:19 Risen wrote:
I like to think the rest of town would rally behind your death, whereas just the two of us don't seem able to convince ve/palmar/whoever.
you can't convince me to lynch myself ~_~
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On February 17 2014 10:19 Risen wrote:
Hmm... VE is so obviously the lynch followed by the people he was lining up against (yamato/me). I think we're being set up. I know I am. I think we lynch palmar here on the off chance. Every one of those people is as conf town as it gets, though. Assuming ve is town I can't support his lynch because he's the driving force behind this game.
There is no off-chance. Do you remember who we lynched last cycle? Do you? That guy I tried to get lynched on day 1. Too bad people didn't listen to me at the time.
On February 17 2014 10:19 Risen wrote:
Palmar hasn't used his conf town status like he should have this game so I think he's the lynch.
There's been two town-controlled lynches since I became basically confirmed town. One of them I mostly let marv lead on VA, and the other one was my lynch of choice. Tomorrow we're again going to lynch the person I want to lynch.
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On February 17 2014 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote:Why does Palmar vote VE over Grack in this situation? VE is clearly invested in trying to win while Grack is not...if he is town and doesn't care why not vote himself? Too many trolls. 
Not trolling.
We fucked up, and I take some responsibility although I didn't fuck up. Lynching Koshi over Grack was the wrong play. There were some townies who trusted a random town-read better than the solid one we had on Koshi. I should have yelled but whatever.
We're not lynching Grack, we're lynching you, and you should be happy about it. Because town decided Grack wasn't scum in the triple lynch with Koshi and I, we've basically commited to him being town. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Any townies who voted for him (hell, mafia keirathi was with me on Grack) basically threw this if Grack is scum.
But Grack isn't necessarily scum, he may well be town, in fact I'm leaning town on him, so the game isn't over.
Today, you explain in detail every single one of your reads, and then you die. That way I can use those reads to help me end the game, instead of having to spend half the rest of it worrying about where the fuck you were in the early game. I have a rule, and I think you know this rule, "Don't trust anything said in lylo". Sadly you didn't start playing the game until lylo so what can you do. Nothing you say will ever be able to make up for your early game.
However, help me figure out what to do in the next days, flip town, and you'll be a bloody hero.
But no, we're lynching you. It would be insane not to do so.
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I don't need people "invested in trying to win". I need people who I think are town.
You do more good dead than alive VE. You know I'm not scum if you're town, because you know I could've decided to lead a lynch on you and ended the game (assuming I'm scum and you're town) instead of Keirathi. I didn't.
So you know I'm not talking out of my ass here. You also know me well enough that I'm not lying when I say nothing you say from here on out is going to change my lingering suspicions of you from early game. Remember this?
Now I may be bad at mafia, in fact I'm really sad I'm not being carried by some town circle. I said in the beginning of the game I was expecting everyone to be better than me now. But that's the way it is. I'm not lying when I say I need you to die more than I need you to stay alive. You could well be town, but I can't trust anything you say until you flip. So please just flip .
I see no reason for you to not put all your focus today in scumhunting, and then leaving us with a good, strong filter with what to do tomorrow. I may be trolling during the long stretches of downtime this game has, but I'm not trolling when I say I'm really unsure about my next move.
Confirmed town VE opinion could help decide that. Unflipped VE is just going to make me want to lynch him.
If you're town, I'm not doing this because I'm a dick, I'm doing this because I cannot clear you. Feel free to call me bad for not being able to, but you also know I'm not lying. So if I'm bad, help me deal with it.
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I don't get it??? You're blaming us for losing if grack is scum? and you want VE's reads so that if he flips town you can do what..? we're right back in lylo again if he flips town. What does ve flipping have anything to do with our lylo situation?
Why is it that every nomination you say that most likely everyone in the nominations are town but this one specifically you bring up how we are "bad" for not lynching grack who could be scum when you didn't mention that at all last nomination and why does VE need to flip, for what reason?
This is the first time you really talk about the potential for grack being scum. Maybe if you didn't try and troll me 2 days ago and discussed this the game could be a lot easier.
On February 15 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 15 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:On February 15 2014 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
well mainly because WoS is just saying he shouldnt get lynched for his inactivity but its fine if we lynch him for other stuff. Also the martyring, holyflare never martyered
Also he hasnt put any useful input into the game in his 7-8 posts unlike holyflare from what i remember. I don't think martyring is particularly telling one way or the other. But the difference is that holyflare was raging about in-game stuff, ie: he was mad that he wasn't being listened to. WoS is just mad that people are calling him scum. I don't know this game hard. I'm not mad about being called scum I'm mad that peole think my aflking means I'm scum. Bbl your afk-ing means it's impossible to read you. It's clear that some of the afk-ers are scum. Risen, holy, VE, ger/keir, you, yam koshi have all been very much inactive, and since Grack and I are basically clear, there's at least 3 people that have had massive bouts of AFK and are scum. So afk = scum. problem is some of the afk players are town too.
This also applies to you
On February 16 2014 19:34 Palmar wrote:
Why do you care about the game now that we're lynching mafia?
Grack and you have been in a lot of nominations and people generally assumed that meant you were town, why would scum put VE in the nominations against 2 people that are widely considered town by most people in this thread?
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so all the scum can make this argument.
Look, Palmar didnt need to play the game at all if he was scum.
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On February 17 2014 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
so all the scum can make this argument.
Look, Palmar didnt need to play the game at all if he was scum.
I'm asking him why he wants VE to flip when he just said grack could be scum?
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On February 17 2014 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get it??? You're blaming us for losing if grack is scum?
Not blaming anyone really but myself. Remember, my views apply to myself too. If grack is scum and koshi got lynched over him, it doesn't matter that I wanted to lynch Grack. It just means that I allowed people to out-argue me with bad reasons. My bad. It's never the town, it's always you.
On February 17 2014 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
and you want VE's reads so that if he flips town you can do what..? we're right back in lylo again if he flips town. What does ve flipping have anything to do with our lylo situation?
I value VE's opinions when he's town. We're right back in lylo if anyone of us flips town, VE flipping town has nothing to do with our lylo situation and I didn't say it had. I want his reads so I can have trusted town-perspective reads from someone I think is quite good at mafia to hold my hand as I continue playing this game.
On February 17 2014 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
Why is it that every nomination you say that most likely everyone in the nominations are town but this one specifically you bring up how we are "bad" for not lynching grack who could be scum when you didn't mention that at all last nomination and why does VE need to flip, for what reason?
I did not call anyone bad, so why are you quoting it as if it's a direct quote? I said it was the wrong play, and I still think it was, Grack was being more active in the thread, but the town-read on koshi was stronger, including that marv guarantee.
Did you not read any of my above posts. VE needs to flip because I cannot trust he's town, ever.
On February 17 2014 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
This is the first time you really talk about the potential for grack being scum. Maybe if you didn't try and troll me 2 days ago and discussed this the game could be a lot easier.
I don't think Grack is scum. I mentioned that there is a chance, I can be wrong. But I don't think he is, hence why I didn't argue loudly when we lynched Koshi over him. I think Grack is town. That doesn't mean I think he's right, but I think he's town.
I don't see how the game would have been easier if I hadn't tried to troll. Everything said in lylo is worthless. Maybe you should've played the game before that? We had a good discussion during night 1?
On February 17 2014 17:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:On February 15 2014 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 15 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:On February 15 2014 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
well mainly because WoS is just saying he shouldnt get lynched for his inactivity but its fine if we lynch him for other stuff. Also the martyring, holyflare never martyered
Also he hasnt put any useful input into the game in his 7-8 posts unlike holyflare from what i remember. I don't think martyring is particularly telling one way or the other. But the difference is that holyflare was raging about in-game stuff, ie: he was mad that he wasn't being listened to. WoS is just mad that people are calling him scum. I don't know this game hard. I'm not mad about being called scum I'm mad that peole think my aflking means I'm scum. Bbl your afk-ing means it's impossible to read you. It's clear that some of the afk-ers are scum. Risen, holy, VE, ger/keir, you, yam koshi have all been very much inactive, and since Grack and I are basically clear, there's at least 3 people that have had massive bouts of AFK and are scum. So afk = scum. problem is some of the afk players are town too.
This also applies to you
Yes. Sorry about that. This game is sorta hard for me because I know I will need to lynch 4 mafia correctly in a row to win it. And I know it's always going to have to be my decision. All the pressure is on me and I have no leeway for failure. I have been doing my best to read, but not bothered to comment much. Remember I value things said in lylo very little. I understand not everyone agrees with that philosophy, but at least knowing that you should be able to understand my perspective.
So yeah, I've been a bit mad at this game in general, not at town or anything, just frustrated with the pressure of my situation. It's on no one but me. I'll try to post more.
On February 17 2014 17:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 19:34 Palmar wrote:
Why do you care about the game now that we're lynching mafia? Grack and you have been in a lot of nominations and people generally assumed that meant you were town, why would scum put VE in the nominations against 2 people that are widely considered town by most people in this thread?
I agree, it's unlikely VE is scum. But I'm not scum and I don't think Grack is scum soo.... And we know at least 3 townies voted for Koshi in the grack thing (keirathi was on grack) so it wasn't an all-out scum play.
One of us has to die. I think by far the greatest benefit is to have VE die. And I'm really expecting VE to agree and understand my points when he comes back to the thread.
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did my knowledge bombs kill town?
All townies (that's the people that aren't mafia) need to be on VE, including himself.
VE, you need to come back to the thread.
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So you are killing VE in case right?
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Palmar is killing VE just in case. Who do you want to kill Oats?
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Yes, we're killing VE just in case.
I would love to be able to trust his reads. Him flipping town would help that greatly
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