EPTOn February 18 2014 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:
well then if you are town you better hope Palmar gets better at mafia.
well then if you are town you better hope Palmar gets better at mafia.
You first.
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On February 18 2014 09:18 Grackaroni wrote: Wave's been afk so long. What's he been doing anyway. Seems like a pretty shitty way to play if he is scum. Hey Hey guess what | ||
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On February 18 2014 10:18 Risen wrote: I'll be sticking to the plan I outlined, though really everyone needs to be on a single person or town just loses. ##vote: waveofshadow is not gonna fly w/me. Also we may be of different alignments. So Risen, care to explain why you'd bother contradicting yourself in your very first post of the new day? VE/Palmar: I don't honestly know where to begin with today...I could probably start with stuff that was bugging me before I left but as far as I remember people weren't exactly paying attention to me then, so i don't know if there's much of a point now. | ||
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On February 18 2014 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote: So read what you've missed and get back with us. I'm not sure what you directed that statement at us for, were you going for some direction? Take a look at Risen and yamato if you get bored. Grack had a hardon for Holyflare. Mostly your objective opinion on stuff that has been said since you have been gone would be most helpful I think. Essentially was looking for direction, yeah. I remember thoughts I had while reading at the time were along the lines of wtf yamato/Oats, VE town Holy probably town, no idea about Grack, but I should probably do a full re-read to see if anything stood out in particular. | ||
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On February 18 2014 20:37 Palmar wrote: Oats did get emotional once this game though... so there's that. This is one of those things about Oats I can't understand, btw. I'm still part of the way through my re-read of stuff, but I remember I wanted people to comment on this when it happened days ago. Palmar do you think this...whatever it was makes Oats likely to be town? | ||
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##Vote: yamato Too much weird shit from him this game, not enough yamato-y tryharding, afked way too hard to be town. When yamato is town and afks at the very least he tends to come back, get pissed at people AND brings something useful alongside it, unless I'm remembering his games wrong. And he was pissed off at the stupidest things this game---town for the cora lynch, me for this: when I was very obviously being facetious, except then he left his vote on be and fucked off for the rest of the day even after I explained it very clearly to him. Like....forged misunderstanding if that makes any sense? Anyway, at the very least I'm comfortable lynching one of those two today, though I feel like if I voted Oats I'd be somewhat sheeping because I can never read that guy, unless somebody can explain shit to me about him. Maybe I'll do a Wave-style filter dive and actually see if I can get something useful out of it. Still reading, will be around every so often for questions/discussion. | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:00 Palmar wrote: You need to sheep I thought that said sleep at first. Obviously I will by the end of the day to avoid a last-second scenario but until then I don't see the problem in having my vote on someone who is likely to be that end of the day target. Why Oats over yamato Palmar? Talk to me about Oats because nobody ever seems to want to. | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:13 Palmar wrote: I don't know Wave. I don't think yamato's filter is particularly bad. Now, it's easy not posting badly when you don't post at all, but whatever. WoS, do you think there is mafia in me/ve/hf? Can you go back and look at the interaction between yamato and I that starts on page 108 and still say that? Now, if you're mafia we lost days ago...it's really unlike me to resign myself to that fact and not go all conspiracy but trying to go after you at this point is completely unproductive ESPECIALLY in this kind of setup where your team would have had to risk you multiple times, ESPECIALLY Nom1, where imo you were most likely lynch candidate. Yes, big risk = big payoff but I don't think I've yet played in a game of Mafia where scum did anything like that (I know they exist but I've never seen it). VE is not scum because I say so. As far as reads go, I can probably read him the best out of anyone in this game---there is nothing he has done at all this game that leads me to believe I should be worried about it. Super confident there. HF is a different story, and while I was in agreement about a lot of his stuff re:grack and some of his earlier pushes, he's just been wrong about EVERYTHING this game. Although then again thinking about it, why would mafia be okay with being completely wrong AND putting forth the effort to push through lynches that would make him look bad all game? And the stuff like the unnecessary case on Cora....were he scum he could have just sat back and got Cora lynched without implicating himself. I dunno KISS says likely town. Not supremely confident but it clearly makes the most sense. I guess by PoE scumteam has to be Risen/Oats/yamato in that case? Makes sense to me, though it means I was wrong about Risen from D1 (which is possible, though I haven't read into Risen much since I gave him that early townread even though I said I was going to). | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: And I can't quantify why Oats is mafia right now. I just think he is. It's mostly got to do with him being so wobblycloggerish. I don't know what that means, but is there a game in which he isn't? | ||
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Which didn't make sense to me then, nor now. I asked marv about it, he said my play was 'shit flingy,' and then this: On February 13 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Wave, half the players in this game have basically barely bothered to play. Vayne, Risen, Oats, geript/kei, Corazon, Grack. And when townies basically refuse to play then meh. I'm not even sure what point I'm making right now. I just got "feels" Wave.  Risen: sure, why not. I mean he could well be mafia and Grack would be pumped if he flipped mafia probably. That would be cool. So essentially marv had 'feels' that yamato wasn't scum, and thought I looked worse than he did. Would you agree? | ||
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More stuff I read: VA also had Oats as a scumread along with Geript/Keir and HF... If throughout I find that more people talked about Oats without him being pushed as a reasonable lynch there may be good reason for that. I wonder if a better question than 'Can anyone read Oats' is 'does anybody think he is town (and why)?' | ||
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On February 13 2014 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote: nommed people probably Palmar+Koshi+town out of me/hf/grack/Risen. How many times did Oats do this and was right? Does scum do this for WIFOM? Ugh | ||
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On February 18 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote: he did it night 1 too, I think. I re-read that earlier today. Yeah. It's funny because I remember thinking the same thing about the nom lynches but I don't know what his goal was by announcing it. As town would you be trying to WIFOM scum into doing something different? As scum are you trying to make people think ' no way would scum announce what you are about to do?' | ||
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Grack keeps bringing everything back to him when HF is also trying to drive conversation elsewhere. Palmar stop intentionally pissing people off.  Also this, when called out for VE being missing on his list of players On February 14 2014 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote: apparently not. Huh. Thats interesting. and never adds him. First thing he does when he comes back is gloat about being right about Noms. Fuck SOMEBODY tell me what Oats is. I can't pinpoint anything he does from one specific perspective because his play is so erratic. | ||
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On February 16 2014 00:47 yamato77 wrote: I do like that idea. Marv was a shithead this game. On February 15 2014 23:25 yamato77 wrote: I'd lynch Keir or VE, like I've been saying. I suppose Palmar is right. I should trust the geript read over trying to make sense of how these lynches are happening. I don't have the time today to really make a concerted push away from Keir anyway, so if he's not mafia, the game is over. If he is, I'll get one more crack at solving this thing for certain on Sunday. ##Vote: Keirathi Input from VE looks good. On February 16 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: This is me thinking logically. If you're town there is literally no way you could have a greater scumread on me than players like Risen/HF/Oats. It's like, impossible. So I think you're scum. On February 16 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Further, Keir had a "scumread" on you that he's been completely unwilling to push or even discuss. If Keir flips scum, you're next. <3 Next: On February 16 2014 03:45 Palmar wrote: I sincerely hope that at least one of you guys is town. Otherwise this is some next level trolling. I've seen the difference between scum-scum interaction and town-town or town-scum and it's actually usually picked out as 'fake' pretty quickly a lot of the time. Still say it's likely they're both town here but otherwise yeah all the interaction says is they're not BOTH scum. | ||
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He actually does get involved re: VE though I disagree with his read and don't really understand where it's coming from at all. And then he backs off pretty quick. ugh. On February 16 2014 04:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I've hated how all game you've been like "WTF no one is doing anything" whilst not doing anything yourself. I've hated how you've had nothing positive to add to anything all game. And yes, now I hate how you've got a scumread on me for inactivity while doing fuck-all yourself. Get over it. Do something if you're town. Otherwise let me and HF do our thing. I don't know how anyone can think VE is scum when he posts like this imo. Still defs sure of him. | ||
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On February 18 2014 23:31 Palmar wrote: Thing about that yamato read is that he was never going to push off keir, so why expose himself to the idea that he may have wanted not to lynch keir. it makes little sense from scum perspective. Ehhh. Reading through into the post-Keir lynch stuff I'm thinking I could be wrong about yamato but then if I'm wrong about yamato that means I must be wrong about one of you/HF/VE. (Of those three HF most likely scum.) I may still have been biased from that weird shit he had with me before I left (because that still looks awful from my POV) but stuff since then has been somewhat better I guess? Risen imo looks a whole lot worse after Keir went down, and while I agree with your idea of policy-ing him for effect, I really want to win this game so I would advise against it (also I feel like that's not likely to be a deterrent anyway). I'd rather we lynch him for being scum than being a meta-dick as town. I've spammed a shit-ton on this page so I'ma take a break and come back to the rest later, hopefully when other people are around. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote: sure. I think Oats is scum, if I assume you're town. But we have two other scums in that pool of three. Currently I'm kinda working under the assumption WoS is the town in that group. But I'm very unsure that is the correct read. A good assumption imo. But again if we're voting Oats today it's sheep for me because I still have no clue what makes him scum specifically. Also HF I'm assuming he means the group of me/oats/risen (since he seems to think yamato is town)? | ||
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