[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia

On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote:
And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?

On February 04 2014 12:20 JonnyLaw wrote:
Oats I've never seen you as town. Can you show any recent games please?

On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:


Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?

On February 04 2014 12:31 jaybrundage wrote:

Whats up Masta of the Oats?

Been a long time since we played ill have to look ya up. Tho I don't like the buddying atm :o

On February 04 2014 15:06 Balla24 wrote:

It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.



You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.

On February 05 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:


Is there anything else in this game that you think is worth talking about than Koshi's "shitposting"?

Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?

On February 05 2014 01:43 Balla24 wrote:
Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!

Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.

On February 05 2014 01:52 jaybrundage wrote:

What you asked questions about Cake and Hopeless then you said the exact same thing balla said. Like you even called him hopeless shit when balla had refereed as to him doing jack shit.

Where did LM come into this. What do you think about LM.

On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote:
Before I answer that can you answer me this:

Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.

On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote:
So right now Oats is super scummy to me.

His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:







This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.

Who is Oats willing to lynch today?
This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.


(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)

Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?

He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?

Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy?
[green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed.
Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:



Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him?
I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.



In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.

When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me.
So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.

##vote Oatsmaster

On February 05 2014 11:58 Balla24 wrote:


Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.

If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?

On February 05 2014 12:00 jaybrundage wrote:

The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you.

Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support.

Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe

On February 05 2014 13:03 Balla24 wrote:


Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes.

I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess.

What's the point of hiding it?

Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it?

On February 05 2014 13:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
oats you just dont get my sense of humor. Or your scum. And I'll be honest I'm leaning on scum, but I'll get to that when I actually finish reading the thread properly..

[excuses]
I got sidetracked watching the creationism debate. Sue me.
[/excuses]

On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.

On February 05 2014 14:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
my scumplay is full of lurk. when my activity (read as content) cranks up, I'll be confirmed town, right?

On February 05 2014 15:50 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I didn't think hopeless was town, ever. I couldn't read him because he had almost no posts. I might need to read hopeless's town games I guess, but just in general I'm not really convinced that two games one way means the next has to be the same way.

Right now, because hopeless still hasn't contributed anything substantial, I'm thinking he's mafia.

On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.

The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.

In bed atm sleeping.

On February 06 2014 01:13 Hopeless1der wrote:

because you had no basis for calling me scum and now you feel foolish for trying to go for the easy mislynch. Sorry oats, better luck next time. You gonna explain your read on Koshi this time? Thats the non-omgus part of my case.

On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.

The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.

In bed atm sleeping.

On February 06 2014 01:18 suki wrote:


Sorry, what? If it was mainly a pressure vote why do you spend the entire first part of the game repeating that Koshi is scum?

On February 06 2014 01:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oats is being really blase about my case. I'll try this again:

Koshi super scum for opening post:



Koshi super scum for everything after opening post:



Koshi totes town for opening post (This is more of an inferred read based on his response at the end of suki's case):


I don't see the progression anywhere in his filter. Oats' reasoning comes down to

In reference to this post from Koshi (second quote in this post):