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Here's two things to look at regarding Cakeman. In this game people were suspicious of Cakeman on d1 for the same reasons hopeless pointed out in his case. Cakeman was town, was not lynched and end gamed the scum. The qt should give you some insight into cakeman's thinking.
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/gA5BjwKEXfQn
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=cakemanofdoom
Onto hopeless v cakeman.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 06 2014 01:19 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Once again: "Jay is town because...." On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched "Jay is scum because...." On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote:
He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Jay never posted in between these two posts. If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote:I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game. I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet. I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk. On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more.
I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh. Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic. He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping. Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position. Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches.
Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try. It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."
LM got it right. That's a very town line of thinking. He's considering the options regarding Jay and thinking about the game. His line of thinking is very transparent. Jay's contributing so he doesn't want to lynch him yet. If Jay's town he'll be helpful and if not he's posting enough we can catch him later. In between those two posts that hopeless picked out the scummy parts there was a lot of discussion regarding Jay even if he didn't post himself.
From the linked game.
On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm.
I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that.
On November 01 2013 05:30 cakemanofdoom wrote:
At first, I didn't want to lynch odin before he had more chances to read and talk. And others seemed more scummy to me at the moment. Odin was suspicious to me, but it didn't seem like it would be possible to get him lynched.
July's posts are erratic, but I can see mafia motivations behind his most recent one so I like the lynch. Odin's chaos wasn't that close to voting deadline, and I think conversation starting was still a good idea at the time.
He does this a few times in the game. It's town thinking about the game and working it through their mind.
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btw ##unvote
##vote jaybrundage
Forgot my vote was on Koshi.
Gonna update vote count.
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oh i read that wrong koshi was voting me.
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On February 05 2014 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Hopeless1der (4): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom
Oatsmaster (1): Hopeless1der, suki, Balla24, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw (1): Koshi
jaybrundage (1): JonnyLaw
Hopeless1der (1): jaybrundage
Koshi (0): Oatsmaster
LoneMeow (0): Balla24, jaybrundage
Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow
If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 2:59pm MST (GMT-07:00)
Hopeless1der (2): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom, koshi, jayb
Oatsmaster (2): Hopeless1der, suki, Balla24, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw (0): Koshi
jaybrundage (2): JonnyLaw, alakaslam
Koshi (2): Oatsmastercakeman, lonemeow
LoneMeow (0): Balla24, jaybrundage
cakemanofdoom (3): suki, hopeless, oats
lonemeow(1): koshi
Looks like cake's set to be lynched. Please change this.
Correct me if that's wrong. I went quickly.
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I'm in the same spot as yesterday regarding Jay.
There are two ways I see to look at hopeless.
1) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.
2) Scum. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.
The first one is anti-town. The second one is anti-town. I'd lynch hopeless over cake any day.
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On February 06 2014 04:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm in the same spot as yesterday regarding Jay.
There are two ways I see to look at hopeless.
1) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.
2) Scum. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched.
The first one is anti-town. The second one is anti-town. I'd lynch hopeless over cake any day.
You're right. I thought his first post was earlier.
brb gonna read hd filter.
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On February 06 2014 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
3) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find scum and lynch them
Could be. Trying to figure that out.
Oats why did you change your mind on hopeless?
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Is acme your last scum game hopeless?
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If not, what is it because that's old as all hell.
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On February 06 2014 04:33 Hopeless1der wrote:No LXIII was my last scumgame
Uhh...yeah. Based on that game and your entrance here I can't lynch you yet. I see where oats' change of mind came from now.
Gonna look at LM and koshi filters since no one else wants jay dead apparently.
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I'm an idiot. Underlined canceled votes in that count.
Anyway if I'm not mistaken LM set to be lynched and votes are all over the place. Let's try and get some consensus.
Anyway brb filtering koshi and lm.
Cakeman I really expect to hear some defense from you about the cases and some input on someone or I'm going to feel like a giant fucking jackass for defending scummers. I said at the beginning of the game don't make yourself lynch bait. You're going from lynch bait to nervous town in these last two hours you've been here and not commenting when you're clearly up for being lynched.
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The fact that he's here and not defending himself stinks of scum. Badly.
When I made those two posts defending him I had not caught up to the thread yet. I saw your case and looked at his filter in the two games I compared.
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Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.
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On February 06 2014 04:56 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town. Quick forum search seems to say he's only played one game before this and he was town in that one. Are you calling him scum now? After defending him so vigorously earlier? What changed your mind?
No, I'm getting pissed off if he's here and not saying anything still. Not having good reads and I'll be back soon make sense to me to be honest.
I didn't like your case when I read it then saw votes flying at cakeman. That's why I made that defense. I'm still leaning town with his last post.
hd what's your take on Koshi?
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Sorry Kittenman. I agree with Suki about Koshi. It's the same line of thinking I've been mulling over this morning.
Koshi's play doesn't fit scum agenda throughout the game.
I'll still lynch jay btw.
##unvote
##vote Lonemeow
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On February 06 2014 05:19 Balla24 wrote:
Yep.
Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose.
Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind.
LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change.
I'd still lynch Hopeless1der hard as hell too.
##unvote
##vote LoneMeow
Where'd hopeless go?
He made a case and posted for an hour. All pressure seemingly dropped off him and he afks without commenting on Cakeman again or really trying to push the lynch.
I'll look at Jay again LM.
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I lied LM. I'm not doing anything with Jay until d2. The only votes I can get for Jay would be yourself and Oats I think. It's not enough.
I'd rather focus my time on figuring out this lm, koshi, hopeless trio.
lm what do you think of hopeless?
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Oh wait, koshi would lynch jay too?
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On February 06 2014 05:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
I went to get lunch guys holy shit
Catch up then!
Do you still want to lynch cakeman or what?
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