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On February 06 2014 06:04 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 05:58 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you have to make me want to lynch jaybrundage. If I accept him being scum I must be wrong about both you and Koshi being scum... LoneMeow can you explain why Hopeless and Koshi can't be scum if jay is scum.
Well it's not totally impossible, but Hopeless1der is actually pushing for jaybrundage lynch in a situation where it may actually happen and Koshi is also kind of advocating it.
I seriously doubt Hopeless1der is scum if jaybrundage is. In Koshi's case it's a bit more likely since he's only implied he would be up for lynching jaybrundage later.
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Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on.
I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too.
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On February 06 2014 06:00 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote:
@Alakaslam
While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts. That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum.
Eh. I see what you're saying but I don't really think that makes someone scum. It's more of a bad feeling rather than a read. You're good at that, so I won't be surprised if you're right. I just don't want to lynch him today. Lonemeow, Hopeless both bother me much more than anything Jay has done. There's very little that bothers me about Jay. Again though, it's probably mostly cause he's posting a lot of the same stuff that I'm saying or thinking.
Can you point out the differences between his play and my play? Like am I scum-hunting more? Why is he scum where i'm not?
On February 06 2014 06:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 05:59 jaybrundage wrote:On February 06 2014 05:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
Jay tell me what evidence you have to believe I'd be a strong scum player? In comparison to Lonemeow you post more and actually make cases. Yeah guys, activity and reasoning = scum. You heard it here first.
I hate this so much... you asked him a question, he responded, and then you put words in his mouth.
-_-
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Sorry Balla, the confirmation bias is strong here. Do you not see my point though? He is calling me scum for playing in a pro-town manner.
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On February 06 2014 06:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on.
I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too.
lol ok this looks so fake...
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On February 06 2014 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
Sorry Balla, the confirmation bias is strong here. Do you not see my point though? He is calling me scum for playing in a pro-town manner.
Kind of, but I don't think it's correct. I see where it's coming from. But he's not calling you SCUM because you post more cases and whatever, he's calling you a possibly good scum player. He's calling you scum for the content you produced and the way you handled yourself early game.
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On February 06 2014 06:08 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 06:00 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote:
@Alakaslam
While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts. That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum. Eh. I see what you're saying but I don't really think that makes someone scum. It's more of a bad feeling rather than a read. You're good at that, so I won't be surprised if you're right. I just don't want to lynch him today. Lonemeow, Hopeless both bother me much more than anything Jay has done. There's very little that bothers me about Jay. Again though, it's probably mostly cause he's posting a lot of the same stuff that I'm saying or thinking. Can you point out the differences between his play and my play? Like am I scum-hunting more? Why is he scum where i'm not?
Fine, be right with you on this question.
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On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote:
hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.
This is totally bogus reason for wanting to lynch someone over someone else. Priority for town is lynching the scummiest player, not "someone who could be strong scum player".
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I'm sorry to keep harping on things here but....
On February 06 2014 06:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on.
I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too.
How is jay not aware of this when he gives cakeman a townread after the discussion about him?
On February 06 2014 03:15 jaybrundage wrote:
Where is cake? I would like him to be able to defend himself if hes a candidate to get lynched.
Hopeless If you get lynched today what would your prediction for a scum team be?
Can we get a vote count?
Here he clearly knows that cakeman is up for discussion, but he claims to have not looked up on why that was just now...
On February 06 2014 06:13 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
Sorry Balla, the confirmation bias is strong here. Do you not see my point though? He is calling me scum for playing in a pro-town manner. Kind of, but I don't think it's correct. I see where it's coming from. But he's not calling you SCUM because you post more cases and whatever, he's calling you a possibly good scum player. He's calling you scum for the content you produced and the way you handled yourself early game.
I can see that side of things but to me he's fearmongering the thread into lynching me because I suddenly became active and potentially readable. I dont like it because if anything he should be able to get me lynched based on the content I have produced, not the threat that I'll be able to fool people. The mentality doesnt sit right.
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On February 06 2014 05:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
^
Reasons why Jaybrundage's vote on LoneMeow looks convoluted and bandwagony.
Oh btw here was the case on Lonemeow I made. You know how i was first to vote him and create a case on him.
I would of spoilered it or put a link but apparently you missed it the first time. Your reasons for my vote looking bandwagony is pretty idiotic : /
Lonemeow
I want to lynch lonemeow. He claims that people should be judged on the content. But he doesn't bring much to the table. As a preface I was originally planning on pushing Mista Cake but going over his filter I felt that he was actively trying to figure out the game so I abandoned that suspect and looking over filters and players lonemeow caught my eye.
He starts off the game with a post saying basically he doesn't post much and it doesn't seem like he plans to change. However the point of these policy discussions is that we should be striving to post more. Not even making an attempt at trying to improve his town play is scummy to start with.
On February 04 2014 07:33 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 07:16 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 07:13 JonnyLaw wrote:
Half the game won't meet those requirements. Being nice is too hard. People are lazy.
Lynching lurkers is fine but your 40 posts are ambitious. Who isn't going to meet those requirements? You've played with me before...
Here lonemeow is basically setting himself up to lurk the rest of the game. Content and Number of posts go hand in hand. If you only post 3 things a cycle your not gonna have much content. Even if your put alot of information in those posts it doesn't replace the ability to talk reads out with players and converse. And lets be honest Lonemeow doesn't even put alot in the few posts he has.
On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it. Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts.
Here is a classic scum post ask a question with out putting any content. Do you think this makes X town or scum?
That's it. Notice that LM also comments on this because he was mentioned in the previous post. He does this more often then not making a comment on something if he is involved at all. He doesn't really care about reads. He just wants to appear to care.
On February 04 2014 19:44 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game. Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
So here is Lonemeow's I would say one of his top posts. Which looking at the content is pretty disappointing. He says jonny gets hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when he is town. Ok great some new information. Chiming in on someone's tell's when there town while may appear helpful. Is easy to do as scum as they already know the alignment of said person. Of course as you can see in the second part of the post. Lonemeow notices that he is mentioned so he tries to defend him self.
On February 04 2014 19:55 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 19:49 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 19:44 LoneMeow wrote:On February 04 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game. Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic? I give him a point in the scum collomn. Don't know what Jonny his deal is but he has been hostile towards me from the get go. He answered pretty hostile on my policy thing, but that was null. But then he taunted me with the PYP Inventor thing and I was just "ok w.e". And now he is saying that due to my shitposting people can act scummy, but those people are null.
He's generally very hostile to anyone he thinks is scum when town, though, so I wouldn't read too much into that.I find it suspicious that he is angry about me "fucking off" then right in the next post says you're probably not posting because you're asleep - we both have country tags visible so he should've applied the same logic to figure out that I was probably also sleeping.
Asking another question with no content. Also notice that the subject is about lonemeow as he doesn't usually venture to give much input on other topics.
On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote:
What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me?
Gonna lump these under questions with out content
On February 04 2014 21:09 LoneMeow wrote:Is Koshi scum?
On February 04 2014 22:04 LoneMeow wrote:Is there anything else about him that makes you think so besides the policy thing?
On February 05 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Is there anything else in this game that you think is worth talking about than Koshi's "shitposting"?
On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
Yes hopeless1der not posting for a day after 2 contentless posts is bad. I think we all can agree with that. Easy to say as either alignment this as it is very obvious.
He gives leaning town read on cake. Who is freely posting. Again easy to give town reads as scum. They know who is town already. Then he defends himself again. Showing that he just wants to defend himself. That's his biggest goal this game. To try to not post much content and make sure he can slide by.
On February 05 2014 01:10 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 05 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Is there anything else in this game that you think is worth talking about than Koshi's "shitposting"? how everyone doesnt really want to find scum lol. I dunno, nothing really stood out. I would really like to discuss cakemanofdoom and hopeless though, what are your thoughts on them? Hopeless1der has not produced anything that I find directly useful for deducing his alignment. Which, in itself, could become alignment indicative. cakemanofdoom seems to post pretty freely which makes me lean town on him, but I found this weird: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 12:20 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not. Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell?
So in summary I think Lonemeow is posting with the intention to remain unreadable . He has posted largely all questions with out interjecting much of his own opinion in the thread. He gives town reads but never suspects anyone as scum to date. He doesn't seem to want to be encouraged to post more although this can only produce more content for town which makes him easier to read and helps the town. When I made a post directed at lonemeow to try to set a goal for himself to post more often and with content. He completely ignores it. He rather just try to slide by with out posting content and make himself not readable.
##Vote Lonemeow
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Let's take a stroll through JonnyLaw's brain.
It all started on a dreary and slow day 1 of scum hunting. This post is the beginning of Jay sheeping town balla.
Jay entered the thread with this post. Jay instructs town how to play. He wants to establish himself firmly as the pro-town town leader. For the rest of the game I don't see him hunting scum.
On February 04 2014 08:58 jaybrundage wrote:
Wassup guys. Koshi's baseline is post often. That simple. I prefer we don't get spammy and post mass one liners (As I tend to do sometime giving my current thoughts) But try to know what you are saying when you post as well. Have a clear intention.
We DO need to have pressure to make people who usually lurk (whether they be town or scum) post more often. So I like the guideline in general. So lets try to aim for 40 as a benchmark why not.
Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you.
On February 04 2014 09:33 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:27 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla's played a few games Jay. Did his vote on LM then leaving strike you oddly?
This isn't even worth discussing anymore. No one's being lynched for having 39 quality pro-town posts. It's a fine benchmark.
I liked his vote on LM. I noticed earlier when i was going thru some players in the mafia database that his name wasn't anywhere. And his opening seemed like he wasn't new.
Then he talks about filtering a lot of players in the game yet only tunnels onto sidesprang out of all the other players who have lurked in past games. Reference my post from yesterday if you want more details.
You entered the game and started pressuring people balla. Jay entered the thread and started getting cozy with you. It worked.
Everything about his play feels fake to me.
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Suki or Balla, what do you make of the fact that Jay literally reposted his old case without updating it based on anything else that LoneMeow has done?
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I still don't want to lynch LM or Hopeless right now. LM looks like he's trying really hard to figure the game out right now.
Hopeless seems to be making sense.
Need to decide whether I want to lynch jay or Koshi right now. Jay's been looking worse and worse since his decent beginning. But I still don't see how Koshi's town.
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@jonny Do you realize your tunneling me? I have posted analysis on Koshi. lonemeow, and Hopeless1der. Yet you say I don't scum hunt.
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On February 06 2014 06:28 jaybrundage wrote:
@jonny Do you realize your tunneling me? I have posted analysis on Koshi. lonemeow, and Hopeless1der. Yet you say I don't scum hunt.
I do realize and I'm sorry if you're town.
I've typically been correct when I feel this way about someone's play.
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Hmm. Rereading jay's filter, I don't think the problems are that bad. He does have some opinions in there, and he's pretty reasonable while discussing right now.
Meanwhile Koshi still seems scum. He has little effort in his cases/pokes as far as I can tell - his stuff on hopeless seemed to be a sheep of oats, his stuff on Jonny was retracted because it was made without reading carefully enough, and I don't like his reasons on LM. Plus he doesn't seem to be here figuring stuff out.
I like my vote where it is.
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Though I'm not sure why jay reposted his case on LM. I didn't like it that much in the first place, and LM's only been seeming more town since then.
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On February 06 2014 06:31 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 06:28 jaybrundage wrote:
@jonny Do you realize your tunneling me? I have posted analysis on Koshi. lonemeow, and Hopeless1der. Yet you say I don't scum hunt. I do realize and I'm sorry if you're town. I've typically been correct when I feel this way about someone's play.
T_T. The more and more I read the less and less comfortable I feel with him.
There's other things like this:
On February 06 2014 01:42 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:31 suki wrote:
##unvote
##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic. I was suspicious of Cake man of doom. Originally he was my first suspect for scum. But when I was trying to write a case on him. I felt that he was a townie trying to figure things out as opposed to a scum. I think that his reads were flexible and changing is a good thing. As townies who can see new things and change reads are more likely to be the ones trying to figure out the game. This post here is one that I didn't like tho. The lack of caring just set off alarms. A lynch should be something that is thought on and alot of consideration should go into it. Just dropping his vote, Not trying to figure out the alignment of the person he is voting is pretty scummy. And stands in pretty stark contrast to most other parts of his filter. What do you think Suki? Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:58 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Meh. Maybe, I guess.
Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way.
##Vote Hopeless1der
Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi.
In what townie world do you decide to write a case on someone before deciding whether they are townie or scummy?
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On February 06 2014 06:37 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Though I'm not sure why jay reposted his case on LM. I didn't like it that much in the first place, and LM's only been seeming more town since then.
I posted it to make a point. Hopeless was acting like I just jumped on Lonemeow with no reasoning or thought of my own. Which is untrue. I do agree with you that Koshi is pretty scummy. I'm not sure about hopeless anymore. He seems to have alot of passion which is indicative of town.
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I like my vote where it is.
I also think valid points are being raised against Jay and will look at him closer after the lynch.
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