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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 01:47 GMT
#386
Jay never said how he felt about Suki's case either. Yes, we can all see it's a case. What do you think of it? I have yet see and opinion except that list post.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 01:48 GMT
#387
*any
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 01:55 GMT
#390
Jay, what did you think of Suki's case on oats? I understand you like that someone finally put hard content in the game but what's your take on her views?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:10 GMT
#394
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow.



That's fine.

I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:11 GMT
#395
The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:23 GMT
#398
On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow.



That's fine.

I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?

I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.


I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.

What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.

We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:33 GMT
#403
On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote:
JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.

I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information.



What do you think of Oats?

Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:35 GMT
#404
On February 05 2014 11:32 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading.

This stuck out to me. Does making a big case not imply I want to help lead the town. Can you say what you mean here.



It's the timing Jay. Your answers come out as I ask you questions.

I still want to know what you think of Oats, and Suki's case on Oats. You like it but don't think Oats is scummy and don't want to vote. Why did you say that about Suki's case? I hate that comment so much.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:38 GMT
#406
On February 05 2014 11:35 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading.

This stuck out to me. Does making a big case not imply I want to help lead the town. Can you say what you mean here.



It's the timing Jay. Your answers come out as I ask you questions.

I still want to know what you think of Oats, and Suki's case on Oats. You like it but don't think Oats is scummy and don't want to vote. Why did you say that about Suki's case? I hate that comment so much.

Oh fuck, I phrased that so stupidly.

You don't say anything until someone presses you. Of course you answer questions.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:46 GMT
#408
On February 05 2014 11:40 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote:
JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.

I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information.



What do you think of Oats?

Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time?


I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats.

Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki.

I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not.

What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.


I've asked Jay the same question five times without getting an answer.

I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch.

I've said lynch lurkers since day1. Kill hopeless if he doesn't play.

I'm trying to have a conversation and flesh out how you two sit. You're kinda just agreeing with Jay. That's why I asked specific questions.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 02:59 GMT
#419
Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.

On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.


Can you explain a bit more?

1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it?
2. Did anybody jump on it?
3. Was this your first thought when you read it?




On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.

mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.



Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:03 GMT
#422
On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow.



That's fine.

I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior?

I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me.


I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.

What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game.

We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions.


Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town.

I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him.

Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.



You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore.


##vote Jaybrundage
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:07 GMT
#424
On February 05 2014 12:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 12:00 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you?

The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you.

Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support.

Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe
it also makes you look like you care.more about looking like town than finding scum



that's what i'm saying.

Oats, I dunno man. hopeless has 11 pages of filter in 10 days of that smb game.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:08 GMT
#426
On February 05 2014 12:07 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.


So like why are you justifying not wanting to lynch him because of that "conclusion" though?

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.

On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.


Can you explain a bit more?

1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it?
2. Did anybody jump on it?
3. Was this your first thought when you read it?




On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.

mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.



Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?


No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here:

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 05 2014 09:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote:
So right now Oats is super scummy to me.

His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:

On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.

Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.

Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.


On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.


Can you explain a bit more?

1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it?
2. Did anybody jump on it?
3. Was this your first thought when you read it?



On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.

mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.


This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.

Who is Oats willing to lynch today?
This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis.
I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.


(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)

Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?

He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?

Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy?
[green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed.
Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hi guys, [jay] probably town

On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote:
And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town?

he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh.


Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum?

asking all those questions


Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him?
I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.
On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote:
Before I answer that can you answer me this:

Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.

I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?




In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.

When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me.
So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.

##vote Oatsmaster






No, that conclusion is the only reason I'd lynch him. Generally this game I've agreed with Oats though. I think there are better d1 candidates.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:12 GMT
#429
Exactly what I said. I don't want to lynch him today.

That post I quoted is the only reason I'd want to lynch him in general at this point. Never said today. It's there for future reference and conversation.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:22 GMT
#432
The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.

Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.

I'm gonna go reread some filters.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:25 GMT
#434
On February 05 2014 12:23 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote:
The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.

Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.

I'm gonna go reread some filters.


So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then?



Of course not. I think he makes a lot of reasonable points. I can filter anyone and find reasonable points.

I think Jay's scummier than LM or Oats.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 03:37 GMT
#437
On February 05 2014 12:33 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote:
The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.

Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.

I'm gonna go reread some filters.

Ok lemme get this straight. You think im scum. But you don't disagree about my case on lonemeow. So what am I doing that is so scummy. If you say acting townie or some stupid shit like that. I won't be happy.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 12:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
On February 05 2014 12:23 Balla24 wrote:
On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote:
The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.

Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.

I'm gonna go reread some filters.


So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then?



Of course not. I think he makes a lot of reasonable points. I can filter anyone and find reasonable points.

I think Jay's scummier than LM or Oats.



Scum can make a decent case too.

I've said why I think you're scummy. You tell other players what to do and don't do it yourself unless questioned. Until your post on LM you said nothing all game. I really, really hate your post about suki. It's not about "oats defending himself." It's what do you think about it. It made suki town in your eyes. I get it. What do you think about the case and Oats? I don't care if you think Suki's town suddenly because of one post.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 04:38 GMT
#451
On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me.


If you don't post something I'll vote you too.

What do you think of LM, oats and Jay?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 05 2014 18:54 GMT
#590
I'm catching up in the thread.

DO NOT LYNCH CAKE.

I REPEAT DO NOT LYNCH CAKEMAN!

DO NOT FUCKING LYNCH CAKEMANOFDOOM!

I'll post more in 5 mins. That case is fucking awful.
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