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On February 06 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Once again: "Jay is town because...." Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched "Jay is scum because...." Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote:
He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Jay never posted in between these two posts.
If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning:
On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote:I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game. I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet. I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk. Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote:
I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more.
I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh. Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic. He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm.
The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me.
In bed atm sleeping. Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.
On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.
I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.
LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches.
Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.
Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.
It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..."
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On February 06 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
@LoneMeow
You're right about how cakeman isn't making sudden leaps in his reads. That's not really the point I was trying to make though. Jay hadnt posted anything further between "I don't want to lynch Jay" and "I think Jay is mafia".
Those two thoughts should be considered as contradictory. I shouldn't need to say this, but town wants to lynch mafia. All of the possible evidence for both independent thoughts were already in thread at the time of posting each thought. Its the fence sitting that I think is scummy about him. Suki points out (in the same quotes) how he does the same thing regarding you LM.
I can see that, but town also does not want to lynch town so when uncertain some of us tend to err on the side of caution, especially when talking about relatively active players.
Again, I don't see him saying "jay is mafia" but rather that he's becoming suspicious of jay so it isn't quite as contradictory as you think.
I shall go and reread his filter in light of this case, though.
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On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:KoshiThe case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote:
And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started. On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote:
I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games. On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum What was the point of this question if you agreed with me: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote:On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context. It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff. "Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.
It's also useful to see if you actually had something to point out or were just claiming that without any basis.
On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote:
Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
In my mind town-Koshi would be far less likely to be lazy when making a case and would re-read what he's quoting. You're right though, it's not strongly alignment indicative at all.
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On February 06 2014 01:39 suki wrote:
@LoneMeow
Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats?
I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere.
Hopeless1def looks better, Oatsmaster worse. I still find it hard to vote Oatsmaster over Hopeless1der though just because of the difference in activity/content.
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On February 06 2014 01:46 Balla24 wrote:
Meh... not when you don't even wait an hour for a followup when I am clearly implying I will followup. I didn't even return to the thread yet.
Well to be honest, your brb-post did not really imply to me that you were going to make a followup so I wanted to ensure you would when you returned.
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On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
He was actually asked to make a case earlier and he had promised one:
On February 05 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 15:18 suki wrote:On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted?
On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good. kk first thing when I wake up.
@cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed?
I'd call him scum if he didn't make one after that.
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On February 06 2014 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: cakemanofdoom
Why are you voting the same player as your scum read Oatsmaster?
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On February 06 2014 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 03:05 LoneMeow wrote:On February 06 2014 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: cakemanofdoom
Why are you voting the same player as your scum read Oatsmaster? Because Oats isn't getting lynched by the looks of things. There is sufficient reasoning to lynch either of them independently of the other.
How strong are your scum reads on them compared to each other?
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Can we lynch Koshi? The way he's not participating in the discussion about cakemanofdoom is scummy as hell.
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On February 06 2014 03:30 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do?
I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling.
[ I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation. If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.
I would argue that the correct play is still to save yourself, because the only one whose alignment you know for certain is you.
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On February 06 2014 03:35 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Can we lynch Koshi? The way he's not participating in the discussion about cakemanofdoom is scummy as hell. That's not an OMGUS at all LM. I don't really want to lynch Koshi though. What does it say about cakeman that koshi isn't participating?
Not necessarily anything, scum-Koshi could be distancing from potential mislynch. Or he could be avoiding being connected to a scum buddy.
I think it says far more about Koshi himself.
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To add: There's no reason for a town player to avoid discussing the leading lynch candidates.
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On February 06 2014 03:38 suki wrote:
LoneMeow, why do you think Hopeless looks better? How sure are you that Hopeless is scum since you still seem to be pressuring him?
He seems to exhibit a mindset I find pro-town lately. I'm very uncertain about him right now.
For example:
On February 06 2014 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 03:05 LoneMeow wrote:On February 06 2014 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: cakemanofdoom
Why are you voting the same player as your scum read Oatsmaster? Because Oats isn't getting lynched by the looks of things. There is sufficient reasoning to lynch either of them independently of the other.
This is pretty much the only acceptable answer from a town player, had he been defensive about it I'd have called him scum instantly.
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On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy?
That doesn't make sense at all.
You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective?
On February 06 2014 01:53 Koshi wrote:tbh, I thought he was a blue when reading him earlier.
This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really?
##Vote: Koshi
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On February 06 2014 04:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
btw ##unvote
##vote jaybrundage
Forgot my vote was on Koshi.
Gonna update vote count.
Can you give some updated thoughts about jaybrundage? And Hopeless1der.
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cakemanofdoom, what do you make of the others who have argued to lynch you? Are they scum or town for it?
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On February 06 2014 04:34 suki wrote:
A point against LoneMeow, I don't see why LoneMeow hasn't voted yet even after being asked multiple times.
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On February 06 2014 04:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy?
That doesn't make sense at all. You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective? Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:53 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2014 01:50 suki wrote:
Koshi, what do you think of cakeman? tbh, I thought he was a blue when reading him earlier. This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really? ##Vote: Koshi
While we're at it, I'd love to hear if you have any comments on the points against Koshi I've raised.
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On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote:
I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
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On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.
Quick forum search seems to say he's only played one game before this and he was town in that one.
Are you calling him scum now? After defending him so vigorously earlier? What changed your mind?
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On February 06 2014 04:55 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 04:52 jaybrundage wrote:
Where the hell is sidesprangs replacement : / yeah im kind of peeved about that... basically 24+ hours where we can't even consider a spot's alignment....
It's worse than that really, since we don't get any kind of connection between his slot and the flipped player.
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