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Automatic + for everyone that isn't rushing to get a lynch done too quickly. | ||
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Make what you want out of that. I just felt it would be better for me to say something rather than be quiet and keep you guessing if I'll play or not. | ||
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The flames have also calmed down which makes this more pleasant to step into. I do have an idea about my reads on everyone, but there is no-one that I am certain enough on to treat as town or scum yet. Many of players I consider more towny have certain scenarios in which they are likely to be scum. If I am to be lynched at any point in the game, I will shoot whomever I want. If I am confident in a relevant amount of townreads and they all agree on another target, I will most likely take their advice in that case. DP/Rayn/marv are the players I most likely believe to be town. LSB/WoS are quite neutral. Prome/HF I feel are least likely to be town. Artanis is a ?-Factor. Feel free to present any questions, and I will reply. I am around. I have a few things about a few players I could point out, but I have no interest in doing that now for the following reasons: 1) Some of these things are blatantly clear to the majority of the thread and I do not feel necessary to repeat it. 2) I want to see how certain players continue without me taking an action against them. I guess that's it for now. | ||
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What ticks off me in your play the most is the intentional annoying of DP to an unnecessary extent which was hardly for a pro-town atmosphere. This also applies to marv, but he's played 80% of the game like an egoistic dick. The remaining 20% are fairly redeeming though, and this game is not about finding or being the nicest players, as much fun as that would be. Prome on the other hand displayed weird qualities several times, especially in the earlygame. It was as if he really didn't care THAT much about whom would get lynched. He clearly proposed several targets even when saying he doesn't want to rush it. Contradictory. His latest posts have been more contributing though, imo. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cephiro the thing here is pretty much all other people have reads on each other. We are trying to figure out your alignment because you havn't done shit. Continuing to not do shit is not really a townie way to proceed.. I understand that. But for now I have nothing to offer that will provide us a likely scumlynch, so I refrain from being overly confident on an unsure read and possibly derailing the discussion into tunneling a townie. Things don't always need to be messed with. That's why I'm around now to reply questions. My current playstyle certainly may not be the way all of you would play, and certainly isn't the best townie play either. But I'm town, I'm here, and I'm playing as I find fit for the current situation. You'll just have to deal with it and make of that what you can. Obviously I have nothing against contributing, but for now the way I prefer to do that is by answering questions, since I feel that'll be more useful. | ||
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Because on what he has posted so far I have absolutely no idea of what his alignment could be. Whereas Wave and LSB both have points both for and against them in a balanced amount, which is why I'm not tipping the way or the other about them. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:51 Holyflare wrote: Anyone played with cephiro on forum before? Does he do this "my plan is complete" only to then reveal... Nothing? Well I do have a tendency of making up all kinds of plans, mostly overly complicated and counting on a small, very unlikely possibility to pull off a huge play. Usually hasn't ended up that well, but practice makes better... You've played with me in several games though, so I'm curious why you are asking about others? You've been around long enough to know. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:55 Holyflare wrote: Like how can you say me and marv did the same thing but then marv is most towny with dp and rayn. While I'm the least towny? 1 of my posts trolled dp and i have 6 pages of filter looool I don't care if you have 0.6, 6, 16, or 60 pages of filter. It's not alignment indicative. There are reasons why I consider your play more likely to be pro-scum than pro-town. As I explained earlier, even though I dislike marv's play in general he has enough good points to back him up as likely town. He could still be scum, I'm open up to all possibilities for now. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:04 Holyflare wrote: You're literally not grasping my point. The only point you raise about my play is 1 post out of 120. You acknowledge your play has been shit if you are town so you need to prove to us you ARE town by elaborating on your reads. You shouldn't have to be asked. I am not concerned about having to prove I am town to you at all. Of course it is of my interest to make other town players trust in me, but figure this: Let's assume I'm a IDGAF townie. Even in that case, 5 other town players can gain an instant majority if they all work together. It is not required of me to spend my time making myself look as town, when I can concentrate on trying to find scum instead. Surely it is in town's best favour if I manage to find mutual partners to trust. Which is why I'm contributing currently by answering questions as I do not have enough to be confident to lynch someone yet. I am planning on pressuring players soon enough. All in time. I raised that point of your play because I found it excessively different from your other play. It isn't about the amount of points I raise, not about the posts I analyse. Why take up something I don't consider of particular importance? @Rayn: Following up an answer to your question soon. | ||
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As for why, is because of the careless attitude. Usually in my opinion marv as town has interest in trying to prove his points and point out to others why things are as they are. Now he's more about short comments, the occasional question, and keeps hitting his own head in the wall without trying to get through it. One would at least expect there be a reason for doing something as dumb as that. On a re-read I also noticed he missed some completely obvious points which I wouldn't expect him to, such as: On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote: Play nice. That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing. If I am lynched, there is no flip. If I act as proposed, it does not by any means confirm me as scum. Holy, you need to calm down. I already said my entrance wasn't the best. Same can be said about yours. The thing is, we're not here to compare who had the best entrance or who has the best play. We're here to win by cooperation. Whether you are working with a scumteam or not I don't know, but I do know that I intend to work with other townies only. How have you put any work in finding a potential scumread in Artanis? Hardly anything. Sure you've done a lot, but to be pointing out something like that, and just undermining my play further before I even start is unreasonable from a town perspective. So are you going to concentrate at the more important matters at hand or not? | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: but artanis. Why do you want to lynch artanis with his recent post instead of giving him time and a chance? It's not like we're running out of time. Intentionally limiting ourselves only benefits scum. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:44 marvellosity wrote: CEphiro, if you shoot someone blatantly townie when you are lynched, yes it does confirm you as mafia. The fact you are suggesting otherwise is mindboggling. By how bad you called me earlier, you should know that it's completely possible that I'd be stupid enough to act on my own and shoot someone I think is mafia and fooling all of town, is it not? | ||
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Do you think I would be stupid enough to do that as town? Based on things you've said earlier it would seem that you do. Based on yourself not considering it a possibility, you don't. Which is it? | ||
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Whom would you shoot out of the remaining players if rayn and artanis weren't available? | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:52 marvellosity wrote: Why would I shoot outside of the two people who are extremely likely to be mafia? That's not worthwhile me answering. But continuing to ignore specific questions and going into specifics about only the ones you want is worthwhile? Are you that confident about your play seeming town to everyone else? | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:53 Holyflare wrote: Dude just stop replying and stating the obvious shit and elaborate on your list. I have outlined why PROMETHELAX is scum and dp has even quoted all my shit saying why, which you'd know if you actually were reading the thread.... Artanis was pointed out as scum by other people hence why i said WE have found the scummy reads which you contributed nothing towards. Your play wouldn't be undermined if you actually cooperated. Why can't i be the IDGAF towny who just wants to find scum. You are looking like the outlier here. If you want to continue discussing with me, the following will be required: 1) Stop making false assumptions such as that I'm not reading the thread. 2) Stop saying I do not cooperate, it's why I'm here right now replying whether you ask stupid or smart things. 3) Stop thinking of me as the IDGAF townie, it was merely an example. Sure, multiple people have said artanis as scum. What have any of you really done about that? You've merely come to a conclusion that yeah, he's probably scum based on a few points. There are much better cases available, yet you talk about it like you had achieved something together. It's almost equal to as if you had stated earlier that "Yeah, Cephiro is a lurking fuck." That didn't require any work now did it? | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:55 marvellosity wrote: Only going into specifics about people I think are scum? Gosh darnit. What a terrible way to play. Asking for a third target without even asking reasoning is not going into specific. Read more carefully instead of making terrible assumptions.  | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:58 marvellosity wrote: No there aren't, Artanis is 100% confirmed mafia, he has posted elsewhere in the forum and not here, he would give up as mafia and he would never give up as town. Terrible terrible post. Ah. So this is where you go "I already solved the game ezpz." -part? The only 100% thing here is that you don't know what you're talking about right now. | ||
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On February 05 2014 20:02 Holyflare wrote: I Want Your Fucking Proper Reads I am making a new acronym IWYFR. You are wasting time telling us you will cooperate but are asking random crap questions instead of answering questions. I've answered pretty much every question of yours so far, have I not? What is a proper read to you? Elaborating on that, maybe you should read my earlier posts once more? | ||
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As I mentioned several times earlier, I am not very certain on my reads right now, which is why I don't think it's a good idea for me to start hardpressuring someone I am unsure of, and be called even more bad by other townies on top of that. | ||
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I've realized some things in the last few months that have lead me into this search. First off, contradictions. This is something I've noticed happening increasingly often from town players, and I don't find it a very convincing scumtell with the exception of extreme situations. Second, general theme of play. I've seen so many scum that seem much more town than any other player in the game, and vice versa. I've also seen absolutely horrible plays as either alignment, both getting failing and succeeding with them. The main point is, I've been wrong at forum mafia too many times lately to go on by my old methods. I want to be and find something more certain, and I'm experimenting looking into specific points of one's play currently. I also know that this post is not finding us scum. I don't need that to be pointed out, it's obvious for anyone. (Or at least, should be.) If I cared to look like I only make good posts, I'd post much less and only to the point. However, that leaves less for others to read into me which is bad when I'm a townie. I'm also getting tired of being called lurker every single game (although I can understand that in many games there has also been reason to, but certain players seem to stick to that theme way too eagerly. Lurk once, and you're a lurker for the whole game and even the next one.), so I currently prefer to just post casually without overthinking stuff and leading myself astray with that. | ||
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The thing is however, that's also a feel-based reasoning. Thinking about the things logically, my first thought about the back&forth crap between DP+rayn & marv feels like scum shitting up the thread. Going on about it, I feel it would be unlikely for scum to take the same side of the argument at this point in the game, which leads me to believe rayn & DP are not both scum. One of them could still be. One scum on both sides of the argument is a fairly likely case as well. The third scum I am sure has absolutely nothing to do with the shitfest going on, I wouldn't want to associate all scumteam members into a clusterfuck unless I wanted to cause it with the intent of sacrificing a member or two for the last one to get away. (Let's say that there's a random argument where 5 people take part. Say you lynch 3 of those players and 2 flip scum. How likely would you suppose that the third scum is in the remaining 2 players of the argument, rather than in the 4 players outside of it?). This makes me look at WoS & LSB more critically. Flow of thoughts, nothing more specific right now that pops into mind or that I feel is noteworthy enough to share. | ||
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Well shot Prome. | ||
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On February 07 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: cephiro has been on voice chat all day by the way, has no investment in this game and all his reads = nothing When I play voice, I play voice. -_- I've been there for 2 hours or so when I played games. Problem? | ||
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Like what on earth are these "confirmed" townies he speaks of? All his possible endgame scenarios include one. That alone is scummy as hell, pointing out several possible endgame options yet leaving out the more likely ones. He also speaks of suiciding being counterproductive. In my opinion there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't always aim to lynch a townie. Lynch = No flip. Shot person = Flip. Scum will never shoot their own buddy in this setup. Thus if the scum is lynched, we won't be able to know and just see town dying and go into possible panic due to misreading the situation as the worst possible scenario. + Random vote on you that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Very concentrated filter, only discussing with a limited amount of players. I'd like LSB to be shot right now. The lynched person is a little harder to decide as I'd prefer to be sure that player is town. But on the other hand I don't want my strongest townreads to get killed either. Rayn & DP I want to keep around for now, same with you. So it comes down to lynching marv or holy. Marv in the sense that I feel that there is a decent chance of him being town and taking a decent shot. Holy in the sense that I am unsure of his alignment and whatever shot he takes would be very informing. | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:56 Holyflare wrote: My problem is how you have contributed nothing and maintain that you are "changing your playstyle" when all i see is you doing nothing and if you are making a plan/trap then you haven't changed your playstyle at all so that would also be a waste of time. And where I have claimed I am making a plan / trap? There are a few things one could try in a setup like this, but not really worth it, especially given the players around currently. I like how focused you are on my claim of changing my playstyle. I told why I am playing differently once, yet you keep going on about it like I would've been bringing it up all the time, which is absolutely not the case. | ||
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Oh gee, I didn't vote for Artanis before you rushed things and managed to succeed. That's great. Does that make me scum? No. If I didn't care about the game, I wouldn't 1) Originally have signed up for this game 2) Be posting right now 3) Answering your and other players questions 4) Sharing my thoughts Do you have anything more useful to say? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote: that's not a read that's saying "lsb is doing the wrong policy", why would scum be more likely to do that than town? What information do we gather if lsb is scum, what if he's town? answering questions doesn't mean anything because anyone has a brain and can respond to QUESTIONS, you should be giving us questions and stuff for us to respond TO I said my thoughts about why I think LSB is scummy to me. If that's not a read in your opinion, that's your problem. Who are you to classify what is a read and what is not? If there's a specific format your after, then say because I'm not gonna play guessing games. Your last paragraph is obviously just just filler crap. How does the situation change vice versa then? Anyone answering my questions doesn't mean anything because anyone can have a brain and respond? Thus making asking questions from anyone pointless, is what you're saying. Now, rather than try and convince others of my uselessness, how about you actually ask me if you've got something specific you want to know instead of blabbering how bad everything I say. If there isn't, do something more useful, I'm sure everyone got your point by now, | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:14 Holyflare wrote: like... we didn't even vote for artanis? we voted for promethelax and HE shot artanis I only claimed I didn't vote for artanis, although I can see how you drew the misconclusion from my statement. This is what I mean by being tired of your nitpicking. Anyone with this famous brain can see the point of what I said, yet you consider the most important thing to draw a conclusion of my thoughts which I didn't even say. Sigh. In case you didn't get it yet: I was not on the "shoot artanis/lynch prome"-campaign. If it was up to me, I would've preferred someone else than Prome take a shot, but it's useless to go on about something that cannot be changed. Town managed to get a scum killed without me being involved in pushing said person for death. That's good. I wasn't contributing in it, that's bad. Not like all townies are always on every scum lynch. I was unsure about my reads, which is why I would've preferred more time. It wasn't needed for the rest of the town. Do you really want to say I'm scum based on that solely? And since this is what you seem to want, I'll give it a go. Who do you want to keep alive until lategame? Who do you want to be lynched and why? Who do you want to be shot and why? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:21 LSB wrote: ??? What are you talking about? I covered all possible scenarios that could occur starting tomorrow. What other end game scenarios could occur? There is no such thing as confirmed town in this game for an alive player. Just because you think marv is town doesn't mean everyone else agrees, nor that he actually is. I'm making the assumption you're not talking about yourself as a confirmed townie from the perspective you put it, especially as others would not be able to know that. Why is scum getting lynched a bad thing? If we lynch you and you shoot Marv, you flip yourself as mafia. If you shoot someone who is on the possible scum list, we get rid of two borderline players. Either way a scum dies and that is good for the town. Because scum will never shoot scum. If you lynch scum that shoots a townie, you can't be sure if that player is actually scum, or if it's a townie taking revenge/trying to be a hero/whatever other possibilities there are. Let's go with the assumption that you lynch me and I shoot marv. I know I'm town. Let's assume marv is town also. Just because I shoot him, even if most players consider him to be town, does not make me scum. I can see why you're trying to implicate that, but you have to understand that is not necessarily the case as townies have been known to go rogue and make their own decisions at times. My point is, why would you leave it up to guessing when you can take the sure way out? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: If someone asked me specific questions which led to me to believe you were asking questions to form opinions and make assumptions and reads on based on my responses and then they demonstrated that later on in the thread, then that is a towny mindset. If someone sits back and only responds to questions, they look a lot worse because they aren't showing their thought processes or looking like they want to solve the game (what you are doing). Except that I am constantly posting my thought processes when around. Do you think I'm here to talk just for fun? I explained more than enough times why I'm not pushing someone against the wall and threatening them with a knife. If you still don't get that, then too bad, I'm not going to bother explaining it any further. For someone that was so eager to get me asking, I find it amusing how you are dodging my questions. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:25 LSB wrote: I am deeply concerned about Cephiro trying to get a townie to offer themselves as a sacrifice to get me shot. I know that I am a townie, so this falls under my "worst case scenario of townie shooting townie" argument. This is incredibly different from Marv/HF who are both asking people to lynch them so they can pull the trigger themselves. Unless they are bluffing (which applies more to HF than Marv) mafia should never offer themselves as a sacrifice. 1) I have merely pointed out my suspicions on you and referred to you as my preferred lynch target since I was asked of that specific question. 2) If you are scum, there is no reason for scum to shoot you. I am not in need of tempting another townie to get to shoot you, I am just fine doing it myself. I figure it would be best to talk cooperatively among town who they want to keep around for lategame to ensure the best possibilities of winning. As you might have noticed, I am in no rush to make decisions about who to lynch or who to shoot this cycle, neither was I during last cycle. This is also a reason why I'm sad that Prome was the one to take the shot, since I would have preferred him to stay alive later in the game, and had an more unsure read take the shot. @Wave: It's suboptimal play. Why guess if we can have facts? Certainly it might not even become a deciding factor of any sorts, but why take the risk? Why not go for the guaranteed information? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:22 Cephiro wrote: Who do you want to keep alive until lategame? Who do you want to be lynched and why? Who do you want to be shot and why? Argument Level: Holyflare I know you're on voice/teamspeak, and I know you've read my posts to see that I asked this of you. This is what you wanted, why are you not responding to my questions? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:38 LSB wrote: Unfortunately I am finding it harder and harder to believe you are thinking about the setup from a townie perspective. Town objective- Kill three mafia Mafia objective- Have a townie lynch another townie two times. As a townie, all I care about is if a mafia is dead or not. Whether or not the mafia is flipped doesn't really matter to me. Artanis flipped red but really, who cares? He was probably the most obvious day 1 bus target you can get. Connections are not alignment indicative. By lynching scummy players I have multiple chances to hit a scum in a cycle. I can either get them killed at the lynch, or if I am wrong, the player may be able to redeem himself by shooting a scum. If I lynch a scum, then we have accomplished what we need to do. If I am 'sure' that someone is scum I should lynch him, because even if I am wrong, we still have a chance that a scum will die. If I lynched a townie and he hits my target and flips green, well I just killed two townies As a mafia I try to orchestrate a situation in which we can have a townie lynch another townie. And this is exactly what you are doing. You are trying to get a townie to offer themselves as a sacrifice to kill me (which I know is a townie) My point is, there are scenarios where it is extremely uncertain to claim someone to be scum based on their shot when there is no flip. If town players act like it's a confirmed scum when it may not be, it may lead into misjudgements that can possibly cost us the game. The thing which you refuse to see is that a townie will always die in these lynches. Trying to argue about the order is not relevant. Let's say we have player X (assumed townie) and player Y (assumed scum) and we have no flip. X shoots Y that flips scum -> X is (was) obviously town) X shoots Y that flips town -> X could be either alignment Let's assume Y is scum and is lynched first. Y shoots X that flips town -> Y could be either alignment. As you can see, by lynching scum first we can never be certain of the lynched player's alignment. By lynching town first, there is a chance of ensuring the alignments of both players, which is always better. More information is always better. There is no downside. Even though I find lynching a townie and having that town player shoot the correct play, does not mean I am pushing for a mafia agenda as you are claiming me to do. For me, you are one of the scummiest players right now. All your arguments for me being mafia are based on the fact that you are town. This is something I cannot be sure of as a town player. Which is a point you have refused to consider at all, you would know this if you truly were town. The fact also remains that I have certainly not been pressuring for your death hard by any means. As I already told earlier, I merely answered my opinion to the situation as asked of me. Now ask yourself, am I mafia because I am suspecting you to be mafia, or is there something about your play that could be improved upon to make other town players trust in you, if you truly are one? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:39 Holyflare wrote: Is a thought process a town only trend? this is not what i meant, you don't really get thoughts from these questions -.- I want DP and me alive at end game at least. I am pretty confident dp is town. I do not know about lynches or shots yet. I have people I think are scummy (lsb to an extent based on what i've said although i liked iamp at the start and i liked lsb's scenario thing (that he wanted him and marv at the end so will probably unvote him soon), you most definitely and wave although will need to read these people some more to get firm grasps on things, not read marv so much but his response to the shitting up the thread thing i liked and that was my only qualm with him at that point) You call me down for not having "reads". And what if this bullshit of yours? Hardly any more "thought process" than what I posted. I can't believe you're serious about asking me those questions earlier and this is how you reply to me? Also, what does keeping your vote on a player that you don't want it to be on do? Why not just take it off now? I could just as well call this post of yours fluffy bullshit as you are calling down upon everything I post. Now how about you think about the things you've said to me, and reflect upon your own play. Then get serious about sharing this thought process of yours, or at least not undermining the effort of others. | ||
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@LSB: In my first post I say you are the person I would like shot right now. That means you are the likeliest person in my books to flip scum. That does not mean I am sure that you are scum. Your pointing out of a false contradiction is thus clearly a lie. I told you several times I am not to rush things, I merely replied Wave to his questions, but you keep ignoring this point over and over again. In my first post I do say that I would prefer marv or holy to be lynched in that case. I do not say that I mind taking the shot myself at all, which is how you are trying to misrepresent it for others right now. I am perfectly fine with taking the shot myself as well. The thing is, I'm not afraid to stay in game for more scumhunting either. If I feel confident I will be able to find the remaining scum, why shouldn't I leave the shot for a town player that I am unsure of? They might even end up being scum, and a scum lynch is exactly what you wanted, is it not? Now, would you like to tell me why you are intentionally trying to twist my words all the time? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:57 Holyflare wrote: and this is why you fell into MY trap. I have poured out reason upon reason for all of my votes this entire game, this just shows you have not read .... You're a joke, Holyflare. I know you have better posts, however that is the worst excuse ever for not replying me properly. Why would you not reply properly to a person that you want to step up their game? At the moment you are just constantly calling my play bad, replying with even worse, and then going "LULZ, IT WAS A TRAP, I PLAYED GOOD EARLIER AND SINCE YOU CALL ME BAD NOW YOU MUST NOT HAVE READ THE THREAD". Yeah, I'm just going to ignore you. That's just fucking bad play. | ||
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(I won't deny I haven't been the best contributer, but I don't see how the last few pages of discussion from me have not shown proper effort.) | ||
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Yes, exactly. Only mafia benefits from that. At the moment I feel that LSB & Holy are bashing on me almost solely due to my bad start. Hypothetical situations: I'm town and I come to up my bad play. 1) You can just ignore me and mislynch/shoot me based on my bad start, also gives mafia an extremely easy reason to hop onto. --> Bad 2) You can actually listen to what I say instead of having the red goggles on while reading my posts, might even find a new favourite townie. In any case, not shutting me down will lead into more contribution -> more information for everyone to go by. --> Good If I was scum: 1) You can ignore me and just go for my lynch / shot. -> Good: Dead scummer. Bad: Not much to associate with. 2) Listen to evil scummer trying to redeem his sorry ass. -> Good: Get more information, maybe even become more sure that I'm scum. Bad: Might be super clever and shit up the thread and or even falsely convince you of his townness. Trying to shut me down redeeming myself is much more pro-mafia than pro-town. Holy & LSB currently don't seem like they even care to consider the possibility of me being town. If either or even both of them are mafia, it's extremely convinient for them both to keep what they are doing. If they are town, there is not much benefit in trying to shut me down, whether they believe I am mafia or not. So LSB & Holy, instead of the horrible omgus and relevant crap you are posting, how about getting serious about me if either of you is actually town? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:38 LSB wrote: By lynching scummy players I have multiple chances to hit a scum in a cycle. I can either get them killed at the lynch, or if I am wrong, the player may be able to redeem himself by shooting a scum. If I lynch a scum, then we have accomplished what we need to do. @marv: I have no interest in trying to end the cycle this early when there is much more to be gained. | ||
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You for example keep jumping up and down like a kid in a bouncy castle for me right now. Having decent points and appropriate replies every other post, then nonsensical things I don't understand that makes me think you may very well not be town. Like DP pointed out, I also feel that your "willingness to get lynched" isn't the most genuine around. Your disappointment at Prome for not shooting Rayn, and the way you are encouraging LSB to take a shot at rayn merely strengthens the theory in case you are mafia. And don't say you wouldn't bus a teammate D1 as mafia... This theory has points against it as well, such as with rayn's current presence I don't think you would see him as a threat if you were mafia, but perhaps that is the very reason you are thinking of getting rid of him easily. (If you are mafia.) Then there's LSB who contradicts himself and jumps from one extreme to another. Wave keeps being calm and posting good points. DP is going about the game in an extremely pro-town manner, even if his contributions aren't always the most mind-boggling, he raises fairly good points. I'd wish to see him talk more about other players, but I can see why he's fixated on you. | ||
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@ marv: You can hardly claim you were even close to getting lynched, even with -2 votes, with many players considering you obviously town as you say yourself, and some like me saying they are not interested in ending the cycle early on. Being 2 votes away from IML under these circumstances was hardly commitment. | ||
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I would still like to see a holy lynch into lsb shot. | ||
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2nd place - WaveOfShadow 3rd place - DarthPunk Towniest Town Award: Cephiro Most curious to hear more from Holy, as I am very on the edge of Holy > LSB in terms of scumminess. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:23 Holyflare wrote: if he's town i'll eat my shoe on stream Quoting for future reference. This will happen if you shoot me. :D | ||
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Cephiro
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 LSB pulled off the correct play in endgame. But yes, in 2v1 the town wins almost always. I figured out earlier if it went to 3 players left like that, I would instantly selfvote. Both townies are the ones that can do that with no danger. There are only two options for scum. 1) Instahammer and hope that the other townie thinks that you're the remaining townie for figuring out the selfvote thing and avoid getting shot. (Unlikely.) 2) Self-vote and mislead one townie like a boss that it doesn't matter which of you two gets lynched, and hope that they agree on being lynched and taking the shot. (And that they don't change their mind to shoot the remaining scum after mislead.) In 2v1 it's extremely town favoured. Scum's objective is obviously to avoid getting into that situation. Scum wins after 2 lynched townies shoot town. This essentially means that town has to hit scum on every single shot except one. It's hard to say for certainty, but in my opinion it seems like a fairly balanced setup. Certainly scum can't be as suicidehappy, but there may even be situations where being lynched and unflipped causes town to wifom themselves to death. It's too bad I went to sleep after waiting about 20 minutes for Holy's shot. Since he was waiting that long I figured I'm probably not going to get shot. No shoe eating on stream.  As for the behavior of players, I think most can agree that this wasn't a very fun environment to play in. Even so, I thank the other players for participating and even more the hosts for hosting. I was thinking of writing up my opinions about the style of certain players, but I don't see what's the use of discussing about who did what and how badly. I'd rather hope we'll all step it up in the next game to try and make it a more comfortable environment to play in. | ||
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