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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 14:21 GMT
#491
Ugh.. what i am trying to say is that the post i quoted makes no sense to me because i don't understand what it is trying to achieve from town!Prome's perspective. It makes even less sense if you take into account what Artanis has done before Prome posts this and what Prome has done after that question.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 14:51 GMT
#501
Are you saying you are scum Wave?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 14:56 GMT
#507
On February 04 2014 23:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 04 2014 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you saying you are scum Wave?

You know, I can actually picture you saying this sentence now.
No, that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is HF's meta case makes some degree of sense only because he is comparing this game to my very last (which isn't a great comparison to begin with). He isn't trying to compare this game to my scumgame 9 months ago---so he is technically right when he says i am playing differently this game as compared to my last. The problem is, that doesn't make me scummy in the slightest.

No amount of wishy-washiness or lack thereof will do so either.

But my point is I never defended you. I was saying the exact same thing you are saying here. That making a meta case on you based on what HF said is shit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 14:57 GMT
#509
On February 04 2014 23:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On February 04 2014 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
How can you be curious when I literally made a case explaining why?

You said you consider him to be scummy for pointing out things for the sake of it. My experience is that Rayn points out just about anything he finds remotely interesting. So why does it make him scum?

Because his read on Holy wasn't even remotely interesting, it was simply pointless. As explained.

I'm talking mostly about your second and third points here. As for the first, I could see it as a post basically telling HF to not purposefully enrage DP and his thoughts wandered from there. Posts being pointless does not equal scum, you should be well aware of that.

no.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 15:03 GMT
#513
On February 04 2014 23:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 04 2014 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you saying you are scum Wave?

You know, I can actually picture you saying this sentence now.
No, that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is HF's meta case makes some degree of sense only because he is comparing this game to my very last (which isn't a great comparison to begin with). He isn't trying to compare this game to my scumgame 9 months ago---so he is technically right when he says i am playing differently this game as compared to my last. The problem is, that doesn't make me scummy in the slightest.

No amount of wishy-washiness or lack thereof will do so either.

And also yes, your play is more comparable to what i read in Shadow game than what i have witnessed in other games you have been in lately. In Shadow game, as in this game on D1 you did not stand out as much as you have in other games, for example 4 Persona and Thug Life (i don't remember much of NWM).

In those games, to me, you looked far more aggressive and emotional in comparsion to this and Shadow game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 15:08 GMT
#514
On February 05 2014 00:01 Cephiro wrote:
I felt like I'd let everyone know I am around and will be providing my insight, whether you'll find it useful or not. I've read the threat enough to know that there are people doubting about my level of participation, even at the first 6-12 hours of the game part which was night and morning my time, so I wanted to let everyone know I am not going to just lurk.

Make what you want out of that.

I just felt it would be better for me to say something rather than be quiet and keep you guessing if I'll play or not.

well this is not useful in the slightest..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 15:10 GMT
#517
On February 05 2014 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Obviously it's not useful, but what else is there to say about it? Just wait and see what he posts later.

If you remember what happened in LXII was that nearly every time Cephiro posted was to tell he will post later on..
But yes, you are right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 15:11 GMT
#518
On February 05 2014 00:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On February 04 2014 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
Artanis, be very specific what the issue is with my post, because at the moment I'm not seeing it and it looks like you're just saying things. Quote stuff and explain what is wrong with it.

You might be right because I'm getting confused with specific wording. My point was simply that I considered point 2 and 3 non alignment indicative. That's all there is to it.

I reread regarding point 1 and Rayn's answer and find his answer lacking. It's a bad open and together with the inconsistency I would consider him smelly.

How is my answer lacking? I don't even know what you are talking about.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 15:18 GMT
#521
On February 05 2014 00:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On February 05 2014 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 00:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
Artanis, be very specific what the issue is with my post, because at the moment I'm not seeing it and it looks like you're just saying things. Quote stuff and explain what is wrong with it.

You might be right because I'm getting confused with specific wording. My point was simply that I considered point 2 and 3 non alignment indicative. That's all there is to it.

I reread regarding point 1 and Rayn's answer and find his answer lacking. It's a bad open and together with the inconsistency I would consider him smelly.

How is my answer lacking? I don't even know what you are talking about.

Clarifying your position when you hadn't even entered the thread yet feels unnecessary. And if you felt there wasn't much alignment indicative things in the thread yet, why did you have a problem with Promethelax' post?

I have already explained my stance on HF's post and marv regarding it. If you think trying to be clear is a scumtell then.. idk what to think.

ehh.. Because there was not much alignment indicative things yet Promethelax somehow considered everyone town and by that reasoned a scumread on people who had not posted yet.. What's wrong with that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 17:22 GMT
#534
Fucking fantastic. We can all go home, Prome solved the game in 6hours.
gg.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 17:27 GMT
#536
Tell me, what had scum!marv said then?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 18:10 GMT
#574
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#579
On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.

umm..
On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game?

Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

Okay then what do you mean by the bolded part?
What i read is you tell your case on DP is good and ask Wave why does he not agree with it, no?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 19:04 GMT
#602
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 19:17 GMT
#607
On February 05 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.


?

This comment of yours:
When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does.

That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did.

But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 19:38 GMT
#611
On February 05 2014 04:21 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 05 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.


?

This comment of yours:
When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does.

That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did.

But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP?



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On February 04 2014 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I did not like Holyflare at all in the beginning. It felt like he was doing the same thing to DarthPunk that Artanis did to me as scum in the NMM, which was to piss me off for no reason. Which brings me to this:

marv, you made this post:
On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.

Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.

Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that.

So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people.

In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off?

That being said i like his recent posting much more.

Prome most likely mafia. His top 2 contributions are:
1) "Those two guys who are asleep atm, at least one of them is scum because everyone else seems town"
2) "I'd like to talk more about Holyflare, but after i say this i never talk about Holyflare."



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On February 04 2014 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave could you explain your stances on Artanis and DP? I am not following you here.



That's what i'm referring to. My case on wave was him not making sense and my case on prome (regardless of whether his cephiro mislynch post was a joke or not) was that he was lynching lurkers (cephiro over you rayn for no reason). So your first posts of the game looked really fishy to me as they were so close to what I had already said.


DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is.

Okay, but my case on Prome was not the same things you said. I did not say "he wants to lynch lurkers", i said he can't possibly justify townreads on other people based on what has happened in thread. I also do not think you talked about his stance on you in your case. Unless you meant the one half arsed comment he made about you after that? Then my apologies but you were not being clear enough. I was talking about the fact that he wanted other people to talk more about you but never really seemed to have any interest in doing so or leading the discussion that way.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 19:41 GMT
#613
Yes you are right HF, Wave's reasoning for his reads is weird.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 19:42 GMT
#614
Prome, Artanis, Wave. read on Cephiro is pending.

Other people seem more or less town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 19:45 GMT
#615
Post Prome's comeback i could not understand a single thing he said, he just... flung some words somewhere...
Post Wave's comeback he said pretty much nothing and suddenly had a scumread on me based on me "doing nothing"???
Artanis' posts were just.. terrible.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 20:20 GMT
#629
Why is marv so bad this game?
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