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And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote: Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote: 2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes. Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. | ||
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I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing. Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote: I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him.Is lynch grack and not look back | ||
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On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote: This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO.i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring. the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more.Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss. On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks.What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies. | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:48 Grackaroni wrote: What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this:I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:53 roundabound wrote: Yes. would lynchIs DNP a person of suspicion or not... On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset?I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote: Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that?So what is the outcome? Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:56 IAmRobik wrote: Well he's clearly not afraid to give his opinion about people so I'd think he'd have some scumreads but he doesn't seem to have any apparently. Scum doesnt want to help lynch innocents so it's possible he doesnt want to give a scumread on anyone untill some townwagons form so he can make sure he doesn't have to be on one of em because he called that person scummy earlier.JJD, Please explain what is inherently scummy about giving out town reads? I can totally see what you are saying with regards to chewy being non-confrontational. This is weird because I perceive him to be a more aggressive player. If I had my choice, I'd very much prefer him to play this game similarly to how he plays on video, but that doesn't seem likely to happen...at least not given how he's played the game so far. | ||
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On February 14 2014 01:15 roundabound wrote: Specifically, #1 - As town you come out of BttB with the intent to do your own thing, call your own shots. Of note, you outline your positions in detail and are certainly not afraid to go against the grain. #2 In this game, your filter is undeniably more passive than BttB. It is also full of +1's such that twice now you have agreed with the scum reads of people *YOU* previously declared as scummy. (roundabound with DNP, and mattchew with sidesprang). Meh, I don't really see too much of a difference. I definately started that game out very aggressive but I don't think there's really been too much stuff to attack in this game as of yet. You could read some of my scum games I suppose since I don't think I've been passive in them. | ||
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On February 14 2014 02:22 Mattchew wrote: This is like exactly what I said about you and sidespring.your both scummy and i wouldnt blink an eye at lynching either of you, but your interactions do not read as teammates | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:57 Grackaroni wrote: I think he looks ok from filtering him. I haven't really been able to keep up with the thread. He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point. | ||
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On February 14 2014 09:45 roundabound wrote: I note very similar entrances: Is that very different from my entrance in the town game of mine that u posted earlier? On November 20 2013 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: Only a few pages in but first impression is mocsta is scum. Giving himself a post limit and then posting a bunch of 1-liners to start the game is pretty bad. Then he get's pissed @ Bereft for questioning him about it? <Followed by reasoning> | ||
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On February 14 2014 09:45 roundabound wrote: Because the people I'm suspicious of haven't been posting. There's only so much I can do w/ the posts so far. @ this point, I think we should vote off the scummiest looking lurker.But, I dont get how you can agree with so many reads, yet, not cast a vote; or progress any of these reads further. | ||
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On February 14 2014 10:42 roundabound wrote: DNP would be fine w/ me. ShiaoPi also. Who would that be if we lunches right now? ~moc Still don't like sidespring who's kinda lurking but he's right that I attacked him a bunch in the last game and we were both town so I'm gonna back off a bit. I'd rather give people more of a chance to post though before we go ahead and lynch them. | ||
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On February 14 2014 12:03 VIVAX420 wrote: I think we should definitely consider it. Like he makes 1 post, people jump on him about it and he disappears? Maybe he's scurd.moc do you think it would be smart to lynch DNP with 1 post? Like, If he was scum and could get through the entire first day lynch free w/o posting anything else, why wouldn't he? | ||
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##Vote Grackaroni Start giving reads/analysis/something | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:24 roundabound wrote: I guess. I mean yeah, it is shitty reasoning, but it is true so I thought that maybe he's right and I should back off for the time being. Especially since he was blue I believe. I'm gonna reread him in that game and see what exactly I thought was scummy.If there is something scummy in this interaction between sidesprang and JJD based on sidesprang's post that he was called out for from JJD's side, it's the fact that he does not call this bullshit defense out and goes after Grack. | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:48 roundabound wrote: Okay that post is really terrible JJD. Why the fuck would you read THAT game? What does it have to do with the game we are playing here? ~rayn because I obviously thought he looked scummy for a reason in that game. If the reasons are the same then there's a chance I'm wrong here too. If you're asking me what I think of him this game w/o taking the other game into account then I'd say that I think he's scummy. But I think it'd be dumb to not take the other game into account. | ||
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On February 15 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote: Ur being obtuse. I want to see if he avoided talking about people and giving reads by talking about 'safe' stuff. Not if he specifically talked about setup.So just to make sure I got this right, you're going to go read the previous game where you thought he was scummy, but he was in fact town to see if: 1) he talked about game setup in that game 2) if he lurked and from what I'm seeing from an reading so far is that I thought he was scummy early on for a similiar reason. He talked about stuff like how people shouldn't lurk and spam the thread. And I called him out for it being a 'safe' post, just like I did here. | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:18 IAmRobik wrote: That's all you garnered from his posts that game? That was his first post in that game. After that, he went on to provide (what I believe to be) a lot of substance. He gave reads, he responded to votes on him, he did something. This game, his participation is lacking. His posts are 1-2 liners as opposed to paragraphs of analysis reasoning that went into his posts in that game. The sample size for me is very small as I'm only comparing this game to that game, but to not see a stark contrast.....? I was just saying that I read him scum early on in that game for reasons similiar to how I read him early this game. I am in no way saying that I think he's playing exactly like he played that game. All I said was I wanted to back off him a bit and give him a chance before jumping on him. | ||
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On February 15 2014 00:27 JarJarDrinks wrote: @DNP. I wasn't criticizing roundabouts case on you. I was saying that a scummy action doesnt mean that a person was 100% scum. He was on me about my case against sidespring and I used his case against you as an example. | ||
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Here's the full quote for anyone that cares On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset? | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:57 thrawn2112 wrote: I understand that JJD only made the latter post to make a point in a conversation with roundabound, but the fact that he wrote those words means that he knows from past experience that town can "make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while." If this is his mindset about reading DP's single post, why is he so eager to commit to lynching DP for that one post? On February 14 2014 10:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think we should vote off the scummiest looking lurker. | ||
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Glad to see votes move off ShiaoPi since he doesn't really seem scummy to me. Not crazy about the votes now on Mordanis since I feel the same about him. Can people tell me what they have against lynching Grack? Half his posts are trolling and the few reads he has seem pretty superficial. Right now he's voting for sidespring and here's basically all the reason he's given: On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote: Sheepin' it up. ##Vote: Sidesprang And he's left his vote there conveniently despite the fact that the people he was supposedly 'sheeping' have since changed. He hasn't really given an opinion on anyone this game. | ||
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##vote: sidesprang This was kinda discussed but sidespringe retracting his vote for roundabout makes no sense: Here he explains how it's a policy vote: On February 16 2014 17:26 sidesprang wrote: Why would we not vote him? On February 16 2014 17:26 VIVAX420 wrote: it feels like he's fake claiming scum. On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote: So he's saying that even if he's town, he deserves to be lynched for fake claiming scum.Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell. So why in the world would he unvote him after round said he was lying? Here's his explaination: On February 17 2014 00:59 roundabound wrote: So why are you not voting for us now? Why did the policy disappear? ~rayn On February 17 2014 01:01 sidesprang wrote: but that makes no sense. He just told us that he deserves to be policy lynched. So the fact that he took the claim away shouldn't have much to do w/ the reason he's voting for him. Especially since:Cause he took the claim away? On February 15 2014 05:08 sidesprang wrote: You'd think that he'd leave his vote on his policy lynch then. It's not like he has some other great read that he really needs to not waste his vote.No I have no scumreads that I feel strongly enough to lynch. | ||
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On February 19 2014 02:2 VIVAX420 wrote: People are making claims. I'm asking if they're legit. That's not bluefishing.jar why are you bluefishing? | ||
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On February 19 2014 02:38 IAmRobik wrote: People openly role hunting ITT. wtf? was the NesTea pic not an Fn cop claim? Why did you post it? | ||
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On February 19 2014 02:39 IAmRobik wrote: OK this might be the scummiest post I've seen from Irob this game. HOLY SHIT. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU POSTED THIS AND THEY STILL KILLED THRAWN. I WAS CERTAIN WE WERE GOING TO LYNCH HIM TODAY! "Lemme just point out how this is totally not the NK I would have chosen if I was scum" | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:29 gumshoe wrote: Sidespring claimed Cop. Grack claimed Doctor. It would be stupid to not discuss these things.This will be the last thing said about blue roles today, there is only a parity cop or a doctor. There was no shot block and it's not day 2 yet. Aside from stupidity there is almost no reason to claim a role today (minus a fake boxer one in hopes of avoiding a lynch) and absolutely none for you to be asking about it. I guess Irob posted his nestea pic for some other reason but it looked like we were gonna have dueling cop claims. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:52 gumshoe wrote: Allow me to be clear, the only possible blue roles that can do shiit are doc and parity. Doc should only maybe claim if he healed someone, then two townies are cleared which might be worth it (its honestly up to the doc.) Parity should not claim period till he has two reads unless he desperate for town cred and faker should claim likewise if he wants cred or is about to be lynched. I was covering every possible scenario (ie doc faker or parity) I was not implying which are in the game, something I would have absolutely no way of knowing even if I was scum. Whats your point? Yes I understand that neither should claim. I'm not asking for anyone to claim. I'm, saying that we should discuss the fact the people ALREADY claimed. | ||
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On February 17 2014 01:42 Mattchew wrote: i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct OK, I feel like this is mattchew basically telling rayn that he knows that his reads are wrong. | ||
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On February 19 2014 04:24 roundabound wrote: The case is the same i made on D1 with more words. Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1? ~rayn On February 19 2014 04:26 roundabound wrote: I guess it was good. Mattchew was one of the first people i was suspicious of and IDK, I guess nothing materialized. I don't really recall a big push for his lynch. There was a portion of day 1 where I was super busy and I tried to keep up on the thread but it's possible I missed some stuff.Same question to you JJD. ~rayn | ||
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##unvote ##vote sidesprang I dont care that people don't think we should talk about roles. Sidspring claimed Cop and asked for protection right before the deadline. I can't think of a single towny reason to do this. I want an explaination. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 17 2014 14:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: sidesprang This was kinda discussed but sidespringe retracting his vote for roundabout makes no sense: Here he explains how it's a policy vote:So he's saying that even if he's town, he deserves to be lynched for fake claiming scum. So why in the world would he unvote him after round said he was lying? Here's his explaination:but that makes no sense. He just told us that he deserves to be policy lynched. So the fact that he took the claim away shouldn't have much to do w/ the reason he's voting for him. Especially since:You'd think that he'd leave his vote on his policy lynch then. It's not like he has some other great read that he really needs to not waste his vote. | ||
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Scum has 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner On January 23 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: Base Setups - pick one at random: A) 1 Forum Hero, 1 Satirist, 1 Trilaner, 1 HopeTorture, 1 NesTea, 8 Progamers B) 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner, 1 BoxeR, 1 NesTea, 8 Progamers C) 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner, 1 BoxeR, 1 HopeTorture, 8 Progamers D) 1 Forum Hero, 1 Satirist, 1 Trilaner, 2 BoxeRs, 8 Progamers They know that there can't possibly be a doc and a cop. So, they decide to dual claim right before the deadline, knowing that one of their claims will for sure go uncountered On February 18 2014 23:18 sidesprang wrote: im cop On February 18 2014 23:18 Grackaroni wrote: I'm the doctor! I mean, they happened to both be around @ the deadline and claim @ the exact same time? | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:48 sidesprang wrote: I'm sorry. Have you even made a single case this game?You make the worst cases JJD, like really really bad ones. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:49 roundabound wrote: What's the point of double fake claiming if they don't even know who is going to be under attack on D2 and one of them is gonna get cc'd? ~rayn What's the town motivation? | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:08 sidesprang wrote: You'd also have just as much of a chance of getting the doc to switch to you. And weren't you worried that you'd actually get countered? If you're town, you risked outing a PR for no possible gain. This is only a scum play.The reason for claiming cop close to deadline = get mafia to swap to you, ofc its not gonna work and it was just for trolling. Thought that was pretty clear. | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:39 Mordanis wrote: Could you explain why? I agree, but I'd like to hear why you think bum is scum. and also why you don't want to lynch him? On February 19 2014 05:50 IAmRobik wrote: Let's just lynch: Grack/Mordanis/jjd/sidesprang in any order | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: Well of the 4 people u want to lynch: Grack and sidespring voted for town, Mordanis didnt vote @ all, and I tried to vote for Grack and sidespring.I'm being pretty damn lazy about doing the voting analysis. If someone wants to do it for me that would be great. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: oops forgot to post this in voting thread. screw it ##unvote ##vote sidesprang I dont care that people don't think we should talk about roles. Sidspring claimed Cop and asked for protection right before the deadline. I can't think of a single towny reason to do this. I want an explaination. | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote: I think ur more likely to be scum out of the 2 of u. But then again I don't think I've ever read rayn correctly.Does anyone think that Raynsta has an at least remote chance of being scum? Even just slight suspicions. I'd like to know. | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts.I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:29 roundabound wrote: IDK, I'd think scum would attempt to pick on the weaker, lurkier players.What does the bolded part have to do with anything? Why would it be a town/scumtell to attack someone based on their quantity of posts? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote: You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push. Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong. | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:42 roundabound wrote: If you acknowledge this isn't it natural to not use it to defend yourself instead of addressing the argument itself? ~rayn I addressed it. You're right, there was no need for me to mention the part about attacking active posters. | ||
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On February 19 2014 12:59 Grackaroni wrote: If you did something that made you look like like you were very likely town then hell yeah people should suspect me for attacking a townie. You really disagree w/ that?If I were to start posting a lot of content now do you think others should view you with suspicion for attacking my earlier posts? | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:23 Grackaroni wrote: OK, aside from that statement being totally disingenuous, I find it strange that Grack was so easily willing to switch his vote to me considering how "strong" gumshoes case was. Especially considering his reasoning was based on the first 3 posts in my my filter.No that's not true. He had two quotes - one where his opinion was being attacked and he passively backed off of it rather than defending his opinion, and another where you personally attacked him and his reply was extremely passive and appears disingenuous. And I am starting to agree with Kushm4sta on you right now. Gumshoe's case was one of the strongest cases I've seen in the last few games I've played, and all you've done since reading it is attempt to discredit him for a fake scum slip, discredit myself for following his case now and not your case earlier, and refuse to comment on the case until Mattchew responds. | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:11 VIVAX420 wrote: Why ddint you want to vote him for claiming the first time?Round needs to be lynched. They just scum claimed. Again. | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:12 Grackaroni wrote: Well then perhaps next time you should come out and say, "Look at this switch by Grack. This is suspicious. Why did he drop his vote on Mattchew so easily" Rather than, "this is kinda strange. He thinks Gumshoe's case was strong and still voted me. Also like his case was based off the first 3 posts in my filter where I was suspicious of the 2 most active people in the thread" no clue wtf ur trying to say here. | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote: And yet you didnt mention this response that was supposedly so terrible that you had no choice but to switch off the person who had one of the strongest cases you've seen in several games?If you want to know why I changed my vote it was because this was such a bad response to what I called him out on. bad point on me moving my vote is bad and to say that is better than anything you've read in thread surprises me. Why would you not point out that this is why ur voting for me to the rest of the town so they can see how scummy I am? You're trying to rewrite history after the fact. | ||
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On February 20 2014 03:58 VIVAX420 wrote: orly?HE FAKE CLAIMED SCUM | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:35 IAmRobik wrote: I addressed this:you guys brought it up first...he tries to say that he read SS wrong in that game, which is why he's giving him a free pass this game. And then he says he's going to go reread that game to see why he read him wrong. Then he comes back with the conclusion that he's willing to give him a break based off of the similarities between that game and this game, when that's an absolute fallacy and the game SS is playing here is 100% different from the one he played there just from the first couple of pages alone! On February 15 2014 03:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: I was just saying that I read him scum early on in that game for reasons similiar to how I read him early this game. I am in no way saying that I think he's playing exactly like he played that game. All I said was I wanted to back off him a bit and give him a chance before jumping on him. | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:59 IAmRobik wrote: NoDo you have a bot that pings you every time "JJD" is written in the thread? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: x2 I'm pretty much done posting for this cycle IML w/ no time limit is flawed. | ||
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On February 22 2014 10:30 roundabound wrote: Chew IAR vivax scum grack instead of IAR | ||
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