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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 16 2014 09:53 GMT
#901
Regardless of how this ends, it's going to end up with you looking like a jackass and an idiot. Good night.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 16 2014 09:54 GMT
#902
On February 16 2014 17:26 sidesprang wrote:
Why would we not vote him?
On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote:
Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell.

This is as much as a cop out easy vote as Bum. Factoring in his previous play and complete unwillingness to divulge information, this is most certainly an opportune vote.

..
I havent read gumshoe catchup post yet, so not sure how his vote of me ties in yet.
..

mattchew vote, cant tell if its a joke or not based on the convo with vivax420.
i am more so surprised he dropped his shiaopi read for this.
am curious how he follows up.

=====
So sidesprang + bum def looking terrible from all this.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 16 2014 09:55 GMT
#903
On February 16 2014 18:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 18:47 roundabound wrote:
On February 16 2014 18:35 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bumatlarge


It worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood.

sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking.


if bum is being stupid it's because you are enabling him

touche; but theres a difference between stupid and try-hard.

I felt his arguments fall under "try-hard" and thus are malicious.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 16 2014 09:56 GMT
#904
and as for afk bum.. everyone knows I barely post on weekends. ppl got things to do.

as for why rayn hasnt been around, no idea.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 16 2014 09:58 GMT
#905
look at his posts. he's clearly so caught up in the moment and full of anger that he can't think straight

u remember rayn is bttb? what you just did has the same effect of what rayn did there. in that game even YOU wanted to lynch him for policy based reasons

i understand the logic of people being mafia because they push lynches based on policy, but every now and then someone (in this case you) does something so outrageous that it's impossible to distinguish between mafia policy lynchers and pissed off town policy lynchers
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 16 2014 09:59 GMT
#906
I dont see why this makes bum scum, please elaborate.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 16 2014 10:05 GMT
#907
does anyone think mordanis is town
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
February 16 2014 10:09 GMT
#908
thrawn

bum knows I troll as town. I.emafia lxiv before the restart
u could be right about the rage though. will think about that over dinner.

as for mordanis, I still prefer side sprang or shiaopi.

right now, I actually don't care. just want a lynch to move this game forward.

~moc
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 10:15 GMT
#909
gumshoe actually looks pretty town from that megapost.

-extended reasoning tryring to understand mocsta's scumclaim.
-his reads have good reasons behind them
Kush and Vivax
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 16 2014 10:38 GMT
#910
On February 16 2014 19:15 VIVAX420 wrote:
gumshoe actually looks pretty town from that megapost.

-extended reasoning tryring to understand mocsta's scumclaim.
-his reads have good reasons behind them

no
no
no
no
no
no
no

disagree with every single letter and symbol that you made in that post, down to the 2 "-"s
Instead of basing his reads on what has happened so far, he just uses "roundabound is scum" to create reads on every other player. WTF? That's not town. That's mafia jumping on something and building fake reads based off of incorrect information.
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 10:45 GMT
#911
yeah rob i agree lol. nvm what i said. i didn't actually read the post.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 10:47 GMT
#912
it is weird that gumshoe doesn't even consider the possibility that mocsta is trolling, and then bases literally all of his reads on that.
Kush and Vivax
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 16 2014 10:50 GMT
#913
kush can you explain the shiaopi meta stuff from earlier
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 10:54 GMT
#914
On February 16 2014 19:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush can you explain the shiaopi meta stuff from earlier


he is kind of playfully aggro at the beginning of the game. For a lot of people this is an automatic towntell but shiaopi does the same EXACT thing as scum. He is very comfortable calling people scummy early game for very little reasoning as scum.

Scum shiaopi is a dbag. He's is very accusatory and he insults people.
Town shiaopi is contemplative and not very quick to call people scum.

At least some of that is true. I didn't do a ton of meta research. But just reading some of his scum and town games, you can see his tone is totally different and this game he has an unmistakably scummy tone.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 11:25 GMT
#915
On February 16 2014 19:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
does anyone think mordanis is town


Currently going with either very biased townie or scum. Not sure yet. His whole case on me is based on the premises that 1. You are town (considering how he found us suspicious for attacking you when he shouldn't know your alignment, something that I think scum is more likely to do)
2. Me and Robik are scum together, and that very early in the game. He doesn't say it out loud when asked by thrawn (I'll mention that soon), but it seems to be what he thought when he posted:

it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play...


Gonna tell you what I don't like:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote:
I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings.

I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation.

On vivax
I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 06:17 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote:
People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want!


do you talk a lot as scum too?

vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get.



I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation.


I see the bolded observations, but no conclusion that would make sense. Only "gotta take a closer look at this". What I find alarming is that he doesn't draw conclusions from the part where me and Rob have opposite reactions. I don't understand why he would mention it if it has no weight on his conclusions. If anything it should convey that Rob is town and I am scum, but he ends the post in a way that doesn't fit.

"Look here, this guy reacts the exact opposite" "Well, this needs further investigation".

On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 18:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Mordanis did you reach any conclusions about robik? I can't tell if you're trying to sell both robik/vivax as a scum team or if you thought robik could be mafia purely based off of his own play.


I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax.


The way in which he answers you here completely misses the point. You wanted to know if he thinks me and robik are scum together, or if he thought that it could have been robik alone. He delivers a pretty nervous answer, something inbetween: "I think they both looked scummy, but Vivax scummier, but I want to see how Kush plays".

From all of this I'm kinda getting the feeling that his suspicions are fabricated. Later he even gets interested into your meta, when at start he disregarded it to attack me and Robik. It's like his interest into you awakened once people called out his lack of suspicion towards you.

On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote:
thrawn timeline:
lurk scumstyle
start tryharding because vivax caught him
continue to lurk when the pressure goes down

As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not?


Why couldn't he ask if somebody can confirm that playstyle of yours at the start of the game? Instead he preferred to attack us, but later posts this:


I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable.


An opinion that is not consistent with the way he treated that meta information earlier.

I think that he changed his behaviour in this category (how he treats thrawn and the meta arguments) upon being called out for not suspecting thrawn enough during his early attacks (by me and thrawn himself).

Rayn then tried to shut down the argument by asking me why I don't suspect him for doing the same. Except that Rayn called the meta case shit in the first place, while Mordanis completely ignored it (in contrast to his official opinion on meta) and went for connection- and timing-based stuff.


~V
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 11:52 GMT
#916
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?
Kush and Vivax
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 16 2014 12:41 GMT
#917
On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?

Can't remember.

I like the stuff Vivax posted on Mordanis though. Either terribly bad, or scum struggling to make meaningful posts.

At this stage, I don't care if hes terribly bad, so gonna go with scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mordanis


Lets just get a hammer on someone.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 16 2014 12:44 GMT
#918
On February 13 2014 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Day 1


Its almost 4 days since day1 started.

just lynch someone already.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 13:43 GMT
#919
On February 16 2014 21:41 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?

Can't remember.

I like the stuff Vivax posted on Mordanis though. Either terribly bad, or scum struggling to make meaningful posts.

At this stage, I don't care if hes terribly bad, so gonna go with scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mordanis


Lets just get a hammer on someone.

~moc


he is a newbie who hasn't played in a very long time.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 16 2014 13:44 GMT
#920
mordanis - TOWN
He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases.
Kush and Vivax
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