On February 22 2014 01:18 VIVAX420 wrote: NOT WAITING FOR MATT TO GET MODKILLED IS ANTI TOWN AS FUCK. You think this is against the spirit is iml? Fuck iml this is playing to your wincon. That supersedes everything else.
When did i say it was anti town? I just think it's stupid, were not playing iml, were playing mafia. The goal in which is to lynch scum, not wait till the host is willing to hold our hands and sing us to sleep. We are playing a game of deduction, not engaging in national level politics, the goal is to deduce and have fun, wincon does not supersede everything, enjoyment does and I cant imagine anyones really enjoying this standstill. If you honestly wanna play this way, and truly believe that this is the best way to win this game then I probably wont wanna play with you again and I definitely wont be doing Iml anymore.
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On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote: Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes.
"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!"
An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on.
Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob.
Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum.
1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative.
2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh.
3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy.
4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him.
"I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.."
at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory.
5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me.
6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.)
Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town.
Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch!
+ gum is sure that mocstas fakeclaim was real, builds all his cases around that theory (weak scumteam) + He says "it leaves a pool of six in which lies scum", but his last two reads are townreads! He's just opening himself up to lynching people that simply are at risk of getting lynched by some townies, not people he really reads as scummy. Else why would he read two people as town in a list of people he should find scummy.
After Mocsta's fake?claim shenanigans are over he posts this:
On February 17 2014 01:11 gumshoe wrote: Helop again, prior to my" train wreck " post I had a pretty generic catchup one in the works. Didn't have much to contribute in there except for a scum read on Mattchew, Who I feel has played pretty loosely and I still think is likely scum. I consider Mocsta a pretty serious player , so when he scum claims I tend to bilieve it, it was in fact a slow game, and I could easily see him getting fed up with a newb scum team, so I ran away with the idea and provided my own reads based off what I considered a likely fact instead of just repeating what other players have already said( been a slow game) If Mocsta is actually town, he's done something extremely cruel to his other head, especially considering how much work rayns put into the game. That said, if we're intent on not lynching him then I'm just going to ignore mocstas posts going forward, and I'll just consider Rayn as round, because I have no idea what Moc wants out of this game( clearly not to win) and if we're not lynching him then there's nothing to be done about a player whose not playing to his win con. As for side, again I don't read him as scummy, he's so brazenly bad ) : like he's proud of it, I can't justify his behaviour if he's scum, he's doing effectively nothing to upset town or prevent his own lynch.
Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together?
A post that reeks of overjustification for all his set of reads.Moreover, he doesn't update his scumreads upon getting the information. He only talks about the Mocasta shit.
On February 17 2014 22:07 gumshoe wrote: While I have my reservations about killing side( he enjoys his predicament a bit too much to be scum, reminds me of how I act when I'm about to get lynched for lurking as town,) as I mentioned before I have no issue killing shiapi, he's serious but useless at the same time, it feels like he's actually under pressure.
+ Quick reason to jump on ShiaoPi. He just had to justify his reads being based on a fakeclaim, but ShiaoPi being part of them didn't change anything. Why say that your old reads are obsolete cause the claim was fake and then still stick to them (and use them on the go for a townie lynch)
On February 17 2014 22:53 Mocsta wrote: ##unvote ##vote: shiaopi
Other opinions encouraged.
The opening post: Mocsta's claim set my imagination on fire, I'ts happened to me before in other games that I can point out if you like. I took it at face value because I didnt think Mocsta would joke about something like that. I gave it some thought though and realized that there was no reason for him to claim as town or scum. Win con supersedes all, your words not mine, and that confession fits no win condition, therefore I consider it and the rest of Moc's testimony inadmissible, which is fine because Rayn is pretty readable and fairly townie.
Else why would he read two people as town in a list of people he should find scummy.
I included everyone who hadnt posted in range of Moc's confession, I thought at the time Moc wouldnt confess if his buddies were active, that list is comprised of people who fit the Moc theory of inactivity it nothing to do with creating a pool of victims -_-, they are ordered from scumiest to towniest, I dont see your point.
A post that reeks of overjustification for all his set of reads.Moreover, he doesn't update his scumreads upon getting the information. He only talks about the Mocasta shit.
At the time I still considred Moc scum so what new info?
+ Quick reason to jump on ShiaoPi. He just had to justify his reads being based on a fakeclaim, but ShiaoPi being part of them didn't change anything. Why say that your old reads are obsolete cause the claim was fake and then still stick to them (and use them on the go for a townie lynch)
As I said, I still considred Moc scum at that time, it was the rest of town who was unwilling to lynch him, the shiapi flip played a part in me dropping that read as well, and I had already covered my suspicion of him (he was at the top of my list).
On February 17 2014 01:11 gumshoe wrote: Helop again, prior to my" train wreck " post I had a pretty generic catchup one in the works. Didn't have much to contribute in there except for a scum read on Mattchew, Who I feel has played pretty loosely and I still think is likely scum. I consider Mocsta a pretty serious player , so when he scum claims I tend to bilieve it, it was in fact a slow game, and I could easily see him getting fed up with a newb scum team, so I ran away with the idea and provided my own reads based off what I considered a likely fact instead of just repeating what other players have already said( been a slow game) If Mocsta is actually town, he's done something extremely cruel to his other head, especially considering how much work rayns put into the game. That said, if we're intent on not lynching him then I'm just going to ignore mocstas posts going forward, and I'll just consider Rayn as round, because I have no idea what Moc wants out of this game( clearly not to win) and if we're not lynching him then there's nothing to be done about a player whose not playing to his win con. As for side, again I don't read him as scummy, he's so brazenly bad ) : like he's proud of it, I can't justify his behaviour if he's scum, he's doing effectively nothing to upset town or prevent his own lynch.
Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together?
I will agree this is odd from Gumshoe. It looks like he still thinks Roundabound will flip scum, but he doesn't really feel that it's worth pursuing/talking about since town isn't interested in lynching him.
At the same time he mentioned something else before about taking a risk of putting out an unpopular case and this might just be Gumshoe's mindset as town. BUT that in itself is a pretty scummy way of thinking. My conclusion: I'll just sheep w/e VIVAX420 does because I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
My mindset as town is to get mislynched day 1 or two : P
On February 22 2014 02:34 VIVAX420 wrote: So when you find someone scummy like Mocsta you decide to ignore his posts and proclaim to only read his more townie half?
If his posts dont make sense from either perspective, then why would I bother reading him when his other half is far more serius about the game? Would you ever scum claim while under zero pressure?
On February 17 2014 01:11 gumshoe wrote: Helop again, prior to my" train wreck " post I had a pretty generic catchup one in the works. Didn't have much to contribute in there except for a scum read on Mattchew, Who I feel has played pretty loosely and I still think is likely scum. I consider Mocsta a pretty serious player , so when he scum claims I tend to bilieve it, it was in fact a slow game, and I could easily see him getting fed up with a newb scum team, so I ran away with the idea and provided my own reads based off what I considered a likely fact instead of just repeating what other players have already said( been a slow game) If Mocsta is actually town, he's done something extremely cruel to his other head, especially considering how much work rayns put into the game. That said, if we're intent on not lynching him then I'm just going to ignore mocstas posts going forward, and I'll just consider Rayn as round, because I have no idea what Moc wants out of this game( clearly not to win) and if we're not lynching him then there's nothing to be done about a player whose not playing to his win con. As for side, again I don't read him as scummy, he's so brazenly bad ) : like he's proud of it, I can't justify his behaviour if he's scum, he's doing effectively nothing to upset town or prevent his own lynch.
Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together?
I will agree this is odd from Gumshoe. It looks like he still thinks Roundabound will flip scum, but he doesn't really feel that it's worth pursuing/talking about since town isn't interested in lynching him.
At the same time he mentioned something else before about taking a risk of putting out an unpopular case and this might just be Gumshoe's mindset as town. BUT that in itself is a pretty scummy way of thinking. My conclusion: I'll just sheep w/e VIVAX420 does because I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
My mindset as town is to get mislynched day 1 or two : P
That's what I am considering lol (except it would be you compensating for getting mislynched day1/2 a lot and having a mindset as town of being more concerned with avoiding the lynch then attacking scum)
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
On February 22 2014 02:59 VIVAX420 wrote: thrawn was an attempted blue snipe. so it makes sense to rb him and shoot him. then scum can claim that night's rb and look hella townie to everyone.
Role blocking him does nothing if your shooting him 0_0 doc cant heal himself, why would you not roleblock someone else to remove any chance of him being healed by a doc, this makes no sense T_T.
On February 22 2014 03:29 VIVAX420 wrote: Gumshoe should we lynch bumatlarge tomorrow?
Alot of my case on him was just wrong ) : so I've dropped it for now until I have something more, I would lynch him tomorrow though depending on what Side sprang flips via modkill.
On February 22 2014 03:29 VIVAX420 wrote: Gumshoe should we lynch bumatlarge tomorrow?
Alot of my case on him was just wrong ) : so I've dropped it for now until I have something more, I would lynch him tomorrow though depending on what Side sprang flips via modkill.
What if-scum, what if-town?
If town, that means hes spent all of day two pushing a mislynch that was unlikely to happen, which means he was trying to look like hes contributing while pushing a useless lynch that best case scenario kills town. If sprang flips scum, that means we should probably be listening to Bum a bit more XD
On February 22 2014 08:10 IAmRobik wrote: No...but we're gonna have to perfect lynch
9 people left I believe, so even if we mislynch today, were at 7 tomorrow, so we have two mislynches no?
My top town are
Vivax,
Rob,
Grack (felt hes been pretty forthcoming/towny)
Top 3 scum are Matt (nothings changed, he went back and forth on side a bit, not enough to say if he actually knew he was town or not.)
Bum (Has been pushing Side all of day 2 / : Side has been Bum's only read for sometime.
Mordanis (Dont like how he jumped onto Matt only when he absolutely had to (because it didnt look like anyone else was getting lynched except his buddy) and his play has been pretty meh /
Hey guys, I feel like an idiot ) : was really banking on Matt being scum, shoulda listened to you Vivax, but at least the next lynch is painingly obvious. He's scum claimed three times, he hammered both townies and he is currently shitting up the thread, attacking Iam and Vivax for pretty much no reason. rayns not even playing anymore, all there's left is moc and if we judge his posting on its own merit we can see hes earned this lynch several times over.
On February 22 2014 23:02 gumshoe wrote: Hey guys, I feel like an idiot ) : was really banking on Matt being scum, shoulda listened to you Vivax, but at least the next lynch is painingly obvious. He's scum claimed three times, he hammered both townies and he is currently shitting up the thread, attacking Iam and Vivax for pretty much no reason. rayns not even playing anymore, all there's left is moc and if we judge his posting on its own merit we can see hes earned this lynch several times over.
Yeah, but what about bum? And who else do you think could be scum?
With Side's flip I'm pretty confident Bum is scum.
As for the last one, we can obviously rule out you and robb, which leaves Mordanis jar jar and grack, Jar Jar has done the least for town so objectively hes the scummiest and his blue hunting was pretty weird, Mordanis hasnt played much better but he pushed hard on Bum and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would bus at that point in the game, which makes me feel 50/50 on him. Grack looks the best between the three, he shows a vested interest in town discussion and hes been pretty rational and open to most arguments, but he hasn't actually provided much of his own reads, instead choosing to back up whichever one suits him at the time. If hes scum hes playing quite well / : and we would have to discredit Coag and destroy his buisness venture before we could even consider lynching Grack.
Heres where I stand overall (in order from scummiest to towniest. Rayn.
Bum
Jar Jar
Mordanis
Grack
Rob
Vivax
Of course this is all preliminary because I am assuming that there will be 3 more flips before we actually have to start looking for scum.(we still have a night kill coming up, tomorrows lynch should be locked in and well have one more kill after that) in the coming days were going to have alot of information to work with, we can definitely still win this game.
On February 23 2014 00:36 IAmRobik wrote: SOooo...i still haven't slept...but i'm not drunk anymore. I don't think I'll be of help anyway. I really hope scum NK me cause this game is stupid. Also, I'm totally scum for "too much information" knowing that two people that barely posted that I have town reads on because of "tone" and a "soft claim" are town.
Lynch me guys. I'm clearly mafia!
the only people calling you scum are scum and they dont hold a majority, the games gonna speed up now if thats whats bugging you, we have a lynch locked in and were going to have 3 flips to go over. town needs you Rob, this game is ours if we quit bitching and focus on finding scum.
On February 23 2014 01:03 IAmRobik wrote: 3 TOWNS GOT MODKILLED. HOW DO YOU EXPECT ME TO TAKE THIS GAME SERIOUSLY?
Welcome to tl mafia XD this is par for the course, also iml is bad. Regardless we still have a shot, why not take it? Robb, do you really wanna be this guy?
On February 23 2014 09:48 bumatlarge wrote: Whatcha gonna do?
Surprised you guys weren't going to shoot robnik. After SS and mattchew died, my scum list was Gumshoe, Round and JJD. Shooting may have made me move to Vivax over Mord, but I would have prioritized the others.
I was not going to be lynched this game, sorry gumshoe
On February 23 2014 11:04 IAmRobik wrote: He was never gonna get lynched. And the only reason you didn't get lynched was cause of the RB claim. Otherwise you were super scummy
I dont know man, you really didnt wanna see Matt get lynched, and yet off he went, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to imagine either grack or Bum dying before me and Mord, but believe what you will, that was a bad game all around so theres not much to be proud of in the first place.
On February 23 2014 11:04 IAmRobik wrote: He was never gonna get lynched. And the only reason you didn't get lynched was cause of the RB claim. Otherwise you were super scummy
I dont know man, you really didnt wanna see Matt get lynched, and yet off he went, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to imagine either grack or Bum dying before me and Mord, but believe what you will, that was a bad game all around so theres not much to be proud of in the first place.
There's a difference between convincing people to not lynch someone who is _NOT_ in the game versus someone who I made a strong case for why they're town.
When I made my case on Matt he was still in the game, besides your werent the only one playing, Vivax thought bum was scum potentially, and grack/ jar jar would have voted bum to save themselves if it came to it, you have a quite a big ego for someone who gave up prematurely, can sorta see why the people you've played with in the past got tired of you / :
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