We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the common courtesy of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying.
On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex.
On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?
WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that.
Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia.
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
On January 21 2014 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow. such angriness
It's rare to see Bum angry. This is the part where you either argue with me or you bus VE after giving no read on him this whole game, but have asked just about everyone here what there read of him is.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town.
Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this.
"I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town"
Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though.
I do agree with Rayn that Kush is blindly throwing town reads, an that isn't doing much for us.
But as JLaw linked, kush does do that as town. He was a bit more aggressive there though.
On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town.
On December 03 2013 22:03 bumatlarge wrote: I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right.
He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me.
bum, how do these two things together make sense?
You don't think LSB is mafia, but you think LSB "coincidentally" went for you as soon as you went for jcarl? Surely that SUPPORTS the idea that LSB is mafia?? (if you think jcarl is mafia) Why would Village Idiot or SuicideBonus dude (lol) gun for you when you went for jcarl, other than they'd be mafia together?
I do think he's mafia, but he's being too silly about it. I guess I'd rather not be bamboozled rather then win. Matter of pride.
I mean it's just a hunch. Thinking it over again, it's probably too narrow to play around and I can't imagine his ability would be that bad for us if it makes it good for mafia to get lynched. Almost anyone over jonnylaw would be better IMO.
I'm not biased at all!
To be fair, PYP progresses a lot faster then a normal game like this, so I believe Kush wouldn't have concrete reasons this game. I think it sub-optimal for townies to give other townies a gut town read unless they are being pressured hard, but this isn't different from what I know about kush.
I'm calm now rayn, you continue to give me more on Kush, and I will attempt to be unbiased in reading it.
In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.
There is nothing wrong in those quotes suki brought up. VE thinks kush's plan is bad and VE is not sure if claiming/not claiming Boxers is best play. Where is the inconsistancy? He does not change his mind anywhere.
On January 21 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said he wanted to go back and check if VE does that as town. I want to know his conclusions as he pretty much promised to do so.
If you thought I was going to go back into another game I played with him and provide examples of this, I am sorry. It was a mental meta in the back of my head from ages past. I actually can't remember anything concrete, just a foggy notion that he can do this as town.
On January 21 2014 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge, i would also like to know who are all of these people i have asked what their read on VE is. You said i have asked "ust about everyone here what there read of him is".
Why don't you back that up with quotes of me asking those "everyone" what their read on VE is?
It might have been just you asking kush twelve times in your filter. I'm going to re-evalute things. I pretty much did what VE did and called him scum. Suki makes case on VE, bum - "cool", rayn makes case on bum, VE - "cool" "OMG VE DIDNT EVEN READ IT"
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
To be fair, I was not expecting all three initial posts to be completely taken out of context.
To a certain point yes, but after point number #2, none of that should be green. VE not planning out himself not talking about me is scummy, because I don't believe he has much to say. And that last point is to drive home how useless what VE thought was important to talk about (Slam).
There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that.
On January 21 2014 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? Look at his case on VE again. Nothing ends with "he is mafia because of this". Everything ends in "but he could do that as town too so i am unsure".
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. he is mafia because of this
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. he is mafia because of this
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. he is mafia because of this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. he is mafia because of this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing. he is mafia because of this anyway
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. he is mafia because of this 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. he is mafia because of this. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? he is mafia because of this. I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. he is mafia because of this 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. he is mafia because of this. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. he is mafia because of this. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. he is mafia because of this
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS he is mafia because of this
##Vote VisceraEyeshe is mafia because of this
Fixed to be more Rayn friendly. I think VE is mafia. he is mafia because of this :D
On January 21 2014 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so you think VE could do pretty much all of these things as town aswell but not all in the same game? Or do you think too much little weird things that add up?
On January 21 2014 03:15 bumatlarge wrote: There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are playing that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that.
Do you have more on Kush rayn? If you have something more, I'd like to hear it. I find him difficult to read.
And I believe Barristan is the last person that needs to post. I'd suggest people start to vote now so we can see where we are at. I think there is enough content that people should be able to make some reasonable reads.
On January 21 2014 03:33 kushm4sta wrote: you shouldn't even worry about my alignment, just like I won't worry about rayn's fail wagon on me. I will be pretty solidly town by EoD.
Yeah thats what I'm banking on, but I feel like that isn't a reliable thing for me to bank on.
On January 21 2014 03:31 bumatlarge wrote: Do you have more on Kush rayn? If you have something more, I'd like to hear it. I find him difficult to read.
And I believe Barristan is the last person that needs to post. I'd suggest people start to vote now so we can see where we are at. I think there is enough content that people should be able to make some reasonable reads.
What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not.
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null.
Where do you get off that this is a good rebuttal. This is the fluffiest thing I have ever read. This is such a poor over-reaction, when I was merely expecting an explanation to your affirmation of Rayn's post on me. You gave me NOTHING.
2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum.
I'm further pushing an explanation that you still have not given. I actually don't care why you asked someone elses opinion, I wanted yours! I want to not have this be my issue but your obsession with beating around it is baffling.
3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch?
Because it appears intentionally distracting, when your vote is on me! You can understan that your blathering bothers me when you are voting me for what someone else said. You haven't commented on that, and you haven't commente on my defense. It's either lazy or anti-town, and you nee to STOP IT.
I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy.
Nope and nope. Not when there is no explanation.
In our, "Bum the Scum" gallery, we see the OMGUS blossom into full blown tunneling.
On January 21 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Elaborate on your issue with me plz Artanis. Why is my vote on Bum bad? Bum isn't reading the thread, while accusing others of "skimming". He agreed with suki's analysis calling me scum for having "inconsistent views on Kush's plan" when in the posts in question I was actually referring to TWO different plans...and then calls me scum for "blindly agreeing with bad logic".
This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me.
I admitted that your quotes were misconstrued by suki, but I didn't use any of that when I analyzed you here.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the common courtesy of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying.
On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex.
On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?
WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that.
Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia.
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
So you can't say my analysis doesn't hold water because I misread someone else's misconstrued analysis of you, because I never referenced it.
On January 21 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn what are YOUR updated thoughts on Bum? You accuse him of being wishywashy, which I agree with. I think that the wishy-washiness combined with the terrible cases on you and me makes him scum.
On January 21 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: So? Neither of those "easy route" things make me scum or even scummy. Who cares if they're "easy"? Does that make the points I raise any less valid? And what if Bum is scum Artanis? Just because bum attacked me first, am I supposed to go after someone else just because bum is "too easy" now? Or Wile, just because rayn attacked him first, am I supposed to find a different target just because Wile is "too easy" now? Even if he's scum? These points don't make any sense.
On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS.
And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE.
Do the math guys.
This is such a hard tunnel when you haven't presented your case properly. And you start clogging the thread up with nonsense when artanis points this out. You go so far as to attack my mafia experience when I'm trying to generate a better read of you on day one. DAY ONE. You have some nerve if you aren't mafia.
On January 21 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because sheeping / agreeing with someone does not make anyone mafia. Also his reaction to Artanis calling bum the towniest town was pure town!VE.
Sheeping/agreeing with someone doesn't make anyone mafia, but VE has failed to contribute anything to the game aside from OMGUS and policy talk.
So VE is town in your eyes purely from a meta read.
In fact it's bumatlarge who is OMGUSing here if you wanna talk about OMGUS. Oh and fails to contribute nothing else also.
Random rayn post, lol wtf rayn?
Ok, VE. I want as minimal a chance of you really screwing the pooch because I have no interest lynching you if you are just being exceptionally awkward as town.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
[red]Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
And that's all. Your last twenty posts about me I will just let slide because I have no desire to keep having this argument. Honestly, even if you are mafia, I'd rather keep you around and get a better read on you to be sure, but the nature of your posts do not let me do that!
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
how can scum be "wrong" about someone?
Oh look, the thread analyzed how I worded something for the past 5 pages. In fact, I'm out of words. I honestly don't know what to say.
On January 21 2014 07:00 kushm4sta wrote: Tell me if you think it's a scumslip. I think it might be but I have to think about it more.
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
how can scum be "wrong" about someone?
Oh look, the thread analyzed how I worded something for the past 5 pages. In fact, I'm out of words. I honestly don't know what to say.
are you afraid you are going to scumslip again?
I'd say you are wrong, but only mafia can know whats wrong and whats right.
On January 21 2014 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I answered suki who called VE's vote OMGUS but yours not. If VE's vote was even close to OMGUS then yours was definitely one too. Not that i care because i don't use OMGUS as a reasoning to form a scumread on anyone.
Funny how there is a question to me in the WOT.
Yeah, I forgot I had it in there. Glad you are reading it though.
On January 21 2014 12:06 thrawn2112 wrote: Rayn why did you change your mind? Previously kush's post about the slip is what made you go from thinking he's super scum to town reading him.
I don't like my reasoning, but some people are easier to read the longer you keep them alive, while others tend to slip up quickly.
On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you.
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null.
Where do you get off that this is a good rebuttal. This is the fluffiest thing I have ever read. This is such a poor over-reaction, when I was merely expecting an explanation to your affirmation of Rayn's post on me. You gave me NOTHING.
2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum.
I'm further pushing an explanation that you still have not given. I actually don't care why you asked someone elses opinion, I wanted yours! I want to not have this be my issue but your obsession with beating around it is baffling.
3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch?
Because it appears intentionally distracting, when your vote is on me! You can understan that your blathering bothers me when you are voting me for what someone else said. You haven't commented on that, and you haven't commente on my defense. It's either lazy or anti-town, and you nee to STOP IT.
I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy.
Nope and nope. Not when there is no explanation.
In our, "Bum the Scum" gallery, we see the OMGUS blossom into full blown tunneling.
On January 21 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Elaborate on your issue with me plz Artanis. Why is my vote on Bum bad? Bum isn't reading the thread, while accusing others of "skimming". He agreed with suki's analysis calling me scum for having "inconsistent views on Kush's plan" when in the posts in question I was actually referring to TWO different plans...and then calls me scum for "blindly agreeing with bad logic".
This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me.
I admitted that your quotes were misconstrued by suki, but I didn't use any of that when I analyzed you here.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying.
On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex.
On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?
WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that.
Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia.
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
So you can't say my analysis doesn't hold water because I misread someone else's misconstrued analysis of you, because I never referenced it.
On January 21 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn what are YOUR updated thoughts on Bum? You accuse him of being wishywashy, which I agree with. I think that the wishy-washiness combined with the terrible cases on you and me makes him scum.
On January 21 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: So? Neither of those "easy route" things make me scum or even scummy. Who cares if they're "easy"? Does that make the points I raise any less valid? And what if Bum is scum Artanis? Just because bum attacked me first, am I supposed to go after someone else just because bum is "too easy" now? Or Wile, just because rayn attacked him first, am I supposed to find a different target just because Wile is "too easy" now? Even if he's scum? These points don't make any sense.
On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS.
And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE.
Do the math guys.
This is such a hard tunnel when you haven't presented your case properly. And you start clogging the thread up with nonsense when artanis points this out. You go so far as to attack my mafia experience when I'm trying to generate a better read of you on day one. DAY ONE. You have some nerve if you aren't mafia.
On January 21 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because sheeping / agreeing with someone does not make anyone mafia. Also his reaction to Artanis calling bum the towniest town was pure town!VE.
Sheeping/agreeing with someone doesn't make anyone mafia, but VE has failed to contribute anything to the game aside from OMGUS and policy talk.
So VE is town in your eyes purely from a meta read.
In fact it's bumatlarge who is OMGUSing here if you wanna talk about OMGUS. Oh and fails to contribute nothing else also.
Random rayn post, lol wtf rayn?
Ok, VE. I want as minimal a chance of you really screwing the pooch because I have no interest lynching you if you are just being exceptionally awkward as town.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
And that's all. Your last twenty posts about me I will just let slide because I have no desire to keep having this argument. Honestly, even if you are mafia, I'd rather keep you around and get a better read on you to be sure, but the nature of your posts do not let me do that!
On January 21 2014 12:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Mostly I'm just wondering about why that's in a spoiler if you honestly feel like I'm being unreasonable and are trying to lynch me. Instead it makes me feel like you have something to hide.
Honestly. Here's my response to your two questions.
On January 21 2014 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? Look at his case on VE again. Nothing ends with "he is mafia because of this". Everything ends in "but he could do that as town too so i am unsure".
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. he is mafia because of this
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. he is mafia because of this
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. he is mafia because of this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. he is mafia because of this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing. he is mafia because of this anyway
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. he is mafia because of this 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. he is mafia because of this. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? he is mafia because of this. I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. he is mafia because of this 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. he is mafia because of this. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. he is mafia because of this. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. he is mafia because of this
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS he is mafia because of this
##Vote VisceraEyeshe is mafia because of this
Fixed to be more Rayn friendly. I think VE is mafia. he is mafia because of this :D
Your response wasn't even a response. It was literally just you adding the phrase "he is mafia because of this" to everything you said jokingly. Like, it fooled rayn, but I'm objectively looking bum. Imagine that. Rayn was right, the way you put that entire post is strewn with verbiage that implies that you KNOW I'm capable of this kind of play as town, but you're certain enough to lynch me first. Over everything else and anyone else. You know I do these things as town, and there's nothing in any of your posting that gives any reasoning for being so certain. Everything you mention, you know I do as town as well. So why me bum?
On January 21 2014 03:15 bumatlarge wrote: To a certain point yes, but after point number #2, none of that should be green. VE not planning out himself not talking about me is scummy, because I don't believe he has much to say. And that last point is to drive home how useless what VE thought was important to talk about (Slam).
There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that.
Why would me not having much to say about you be scummy? Why would me asking someone else about you necessarily have anything to do with what I think of you anyway? Why can I not be trying to judge HIS alignment based on what he says about you in conjunction with my own thoughts about you? These are all questions you'd have or want, but you don't. You aren't interested in my opinion at all. You vote because you don't like me, by policy. And now you're making shit up to try and justify it.
2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal.
##Unvote ##Vote: bumatlarge
None of that pertains to what I was asking.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
So here are bumatlarge's posts:
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
green: believes claim red: says claim is fake
which is it?
On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote: I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread.
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
[red]Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
I'm done here. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish with this.
Suki, your reasoning is very shallow. Think it through again.
I agree that is unlikely that both zarepath and I would be scum. It is illogical for a team to plan out that turn of events. It's an awkward situation that probably gets one of them lynched, and alleviates zero pressure for the other person.
If you really think one of us is scum, then you need to take both sides. I might have gave up on VE, but I did that for a good reason. Consolidating votes is important as lynches draw closer, and only having that other scummy person vote with you probably means your target is not optimal despite how strongly you feel. I was giving zarepath a free place to put his vote as long as I was intent on lynching VE. His reaction to my unvote has alot of motivation behind it.
At the time, Crossfire was gaining some traction, for an iffy post. Zare could have hopped on him, which I think is worth noting if one of them flips scum. Kush seems somewhat similar, but that was older votes.
I found his vote on me a bit backwards, considering that it was just for not pushing VE some more. I think it would it would be a poor choice for him to make as mafia. But I don't think he seems like he has a lot of experience as mafia.
The second scenario where I am scum and he is town is much more unlikely, because he has been on par with my thoughts the whole game, and he changes his mind to me when I stop pursuing both of our top scum reads. That is much more illogical coming from a townie, rather then what I think would be bad reasoning for him to do that as mafia.
I am also selfish, and do not want to be lynched. ##Vote zarepath
On January 21 2014 13:06 thrawn2112 wrote: maaaaan that is an unhelpful post
crossfire your kush read is nothing but meta. a bigass post with nothing but meta and no conclusion. why on earth did you post that?
cause I did a bunch of work and didn't feel like posting nothing after reading about kush for however long i did. I also figured it would be helpful in case people wanted to see my thoughts on kush since he seemed to be a hot topic (well at least you constantly pushed him)
I have done this, and came up with nothing useful, and posted anyway because I didn't want to let the work go unnoted. I probably wouldn't search somewhere I know is a dead-end as scum, and if I did, I would probably push the fact that I went through the trouble of doing that.
I find this post very similar to an off-hand townie post.
On January 22 2014 05:52 bumatlarge wrote: I was giving zarepath a free place to put his vote as long as I was intent on lynching VE. His reaction to my unvote has alot of motivation behind it.
At the time, Crossfire was gaining some traction, for an iffy post. Zare could have hopped on him, which I think is worth noting if one of them flips scum. Kush seems somewhat similar, but that was older votes.
I found his vote on me a bit backwards, considering that it was just for not pushing VE some more. I think it would it would be a poor choice for him to make as mafia. But I don't think he seems like he has a lot of experience as mafia.
The second scenario where I am scum and he is town is much more unlikely, because he has been on par with my thoughts the whole game, and he changes his mind to me when I stop pursuing both of our top scum reads. That is much more illogical coming from a townie, rather then what I think would be bad reasoning for him to do that as mafia.
I actually really really like everything here. Many of these things I didn't consider previously.
One other thing I was eyeing was Crossfire's soft defense of Zarepath earlier in the game. Couple this with Zarepath including Crossfire into his list just now (alongside a really stupid desire to lynch WileE)... I think there's a good chance of them being scumbuddies.
##unvote ##vote Zarepath
Unfortunately, my read on crossfire is town if you put that connection aside. I posted the stronger gut read before, and I like posts that bring up new information on people that I am finding difficult to read (the kush smurf), and I was suspicious of rayn when he picked up on how often rayn was vote switching. No one had gone on rayn except for me and artanis, and although I've dropped my suspicion of rayn, I liked to see it coming from a player I didn't know.
I think at this point, it's ok. He's not breadcrumbing necessarily, an he's not comparing phrasing. If it's just a copypasted roleclaim, I think it's fine.
Plus, modkilling someone an hour before a lynch would mess with the game.
Rayn, 11 and 12 are in the model OP. I find it unlikely that DarthPunk thought that those rules would be sufficient for people to not post flavor name PMs.
I am worried though that he said "sorry" if he was given that flavor to post? IDK...
See, if they were smart, there is no reason to tell everyone you are Named VT, but instead tell us you are a Blue role. It keeps the set-up an power-roles hidden from mafia, which is pretty essential if they have a roleblocker.
I'm not following Rayn, Zar is not scum because of the apology post? I would be more angry if host gave me a fakeclaim and it turned out to be against the roles to post the flavor sentence, but I don't think what Zar sai is any different from what he's been doing.
Kush is actually a reasonable lynch, considering his vote is off Zar and on me, but he isn't defending Zar or pushing harder on to me. I recall him caring a bit more about the lynch.
On January 21 2014 01:54 Balla24 wrote: I don't get why people (rayn, VE) are spending so much time discussing kush's plan when honestly no matter how kush responds it's pretty unalignment indicative: from what i've read kush tends to 1) say whatever the fuck is on his mind, 2) argue for the sake of arguing
He came up with this plan pre-game before he knew his role. Regardless of whether he is sticking with it now how is it helpful to be discussing it? He clearly thought it was a good plan as town before he even knew his role. So let's stop questioning him about that.
It is annoying though that kush is elaborating on his reads like rayn is asking beyond the one liner explanations: i'd really like explanation on the flip-flop of thrawn-kush reads from both sides.
Let's talk slips. Because you were town before you knew your role, right?
On January 22 2014 12:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Sweet!
Well I was wrong it appears, but my named vt is not blue. I might not be a boxer. Mine is green but I'm Chezinu.
Anyway, bum I think if I was scum I would be a lot townier, but I do play lurker games at times. If I was scum with Kush we would win. His scum game synergizes with mine incredibly well.
Next scum I would say is Kush, unless you willing to have long chat with Rayn and answer every question he comes up with?
Rayn, are you here? If you are try to paint me scum or something. I wants to defenses
Well then...
I'll keep my eye on you, but I woul recommend you rea the opener again. You confused pretty much everyone that you were a blue VT, which is very different from a green one.
On January 22 2014 13:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind I'm dumb. So we still don't know for sure the setup, but scum know exactly what setup. Ugh, that's disheartening.
I think it matters a lot less now that they have no RBer. That's about the only reason mafia want to figure out the set-up, aside from playing around a doctor.
If they do not have a GF then it might be possible for either doctor or DT. That's still nice advantage. If they do, well then it's just 10v2, which is still really good.
On January 22 2014 13:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, that's all the WIFOM I can take for one night. I'll take that stuff into account when I start diving filters tonight.
Bum, by virtue of you being on the right lynch, you're not an insta-vote for me tomorrow. So there's that. If you're town, I earnestly hope we can work together and figure this shit out.
On January 22 2014 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do i have to play with these fucking clowns who refuse to play the game? Someone needs to start banning these idiots who straight out say they will not play.
lol who is this?
Suki: I think johnny is worth noting, but I find it hard to believe he was pushing both his scummates day 1. That has no long term benefits for mafia, which is a real issue when you are scum.
Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early.
That's about the only reason you are finding a connection. I'm bumatlarge, you don't think I know how to ineract with my teammates when I'm scum?
On January 23 2014 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: His spoilered post to me came at a time when I had JUST voted for Balla remember. I voted Balla, I think Barri did or someone...anyway, a wagon was brewing on Balla, and suddenly Bum comes in with a long spoiler post directed specifically at me? I mean, coincidences happen, but Bum opted to do NOTHING ELSE with the game except perpetuate his fail-tunnel.
This is so obnoxious, I can't believe you are still doing this. I let you slide because of stupid meta reasons, and you still want to bring up baseless arguments. New material (balla interaction) is fine, and reevaluating older things is even better. But rehashing this stuff does make me mad, and I actually don't want to repeat day 1.
Post a case, I'll defend as best I can, and if don't do it well, I get lynched then oh well.
You realize you are using the fact that I spoilered an analysis. You realize that is a considerate thing to do, no?
On January 23 2014 03:39 bumatlarge wrote: Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early.
This is one of the worst reasonings i have ever heard about not interacting with someone...
Well that's up I you. Just because you play for yourself spent mean I have to.
On January 21 2014 02:20 bumatlarge wrote: Sure balla
On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town.
Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this.
"I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town"
Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though.
Hey, I don't care if you're the goddamn Batman. And you DO interact with Balla...and at a really strange time and for a really strange reason. The post seems contrived, and it looks like you deliberately mention Balla for some reason.
He asked me why I thought Rayn was misconstruing my thoughts. And in a very coach manner I explain. "Seems contrived" elaborate.
On January 23 2014 03:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Analysis comes with a conclusion - the whole point of that spoiler was that you HAD no conclusion. You weren't analyzing anything. At best you were looking for more information to COME to a conclusion, BUT you ignored the answers to your questions so it becomes what I say it was - a rhetoric-ridden pack of nonsense. Thank you for spoilering that, it does keep the thread tidy, but it doesn't make you town.
No it does not, I assume people can draw the read I'm getting, but I want people to read certain posts again so it's not me forcing it down their throats. You would know this if you ever did anything VE.
I agree it doesn't make me town BUT IT DOESNT MAKE ME MAFIA YOU MOOSE.
On January 23 2014 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge who do you think is mafia now and why? I have no idea where you stand on with your suspicions atm.
Kushmasta is a rough read but I do think he's mafia. I like the way balla mentioned him in a post. It's earlier after the lynch where I found it, but I can't pull it up because I'm on a phone (Look VE, I'm on a phone, scum-tell gold!)
WileSlam I had a stupid reason, but he actually claimed green, which debunks it.
JLaw reminds me of his PYP scum game, but I've only read suki's posts on him, which I can't trust if they are valid quotes apparently, because I'll get blamed for them
On January 23 2014 04:04 bumatlarge wrote: JLaw reminds me of his PYP scum game, but I've only read suki's posts on him, which I can't trust if they are valid quotes apparently, because I'll get blamed for them
You still have that town read on artanis?
What's this about JL? I don't understand.. I am not decided on Artanis
Where did your scumread on VE go? I thought you never let go of that on D1.
Filter me, towards the end I quote balla talking about kush. It's kinda jokingly done, because kush has me as his top read for using the word "wrong". It's an actual scum saying it so it might actually be a scum slip.
I'm not allowed to call VE scum because this is what he does apparently. No one else reprimands him for his thought process, so we sit here ignoring one player. It bothers me because if he was someone I didn't know, I wouldn't accept it. If I was a big here, I'd probably shoot him. Waste of a lynch though because it's 50/50 he's scum or town, which is remarkably generous.
On January 23 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can explain the town read on kush. It's the way he said i claimed named VT at the start of the game and how he explained it later on. I really believe what he says about it.
On January 23 2014 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: bum what are you doing? seriously? You can't interact with newbies (which one of them happened to be mafia) because of some policy. You are "not allowed to call VE mafia" because of idk wtf??!?!
what...are....you...doing?!?!?
what are you allowed to do?
Dude don't worry about that, find other stuff, and if that's bad you can add it all together with that, and that will be my fault as town, not yours. You think VE is town and I can kinda see why, but it's for a stupider reason then me having some noche policy
On January 23 2014 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge can you just make a case on your top 2 scumreads? screw people who say you are not allowed to call someone scum. If you think VE is scum call him scum.
It would have to be after night time, but I'll get to it
Here is the prime example. I give a nice simple accusation to try to get any semblance of a town VE on track, an he dismisses it, answering some other innocuous questions.
On January 21 2014 13:16 bumatlarge wrote: You respond to this
On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you.
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null.
Where do you get off that this is a good rebuttal. This is the fluffiest thing I have ever read. This is such a poor over-reaction, when I was merely expecting an explanation to your affirmation of Rayn's post on me. You gave me NOTHING.
2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum.
I'm further pushing an explanation that you still have not given. I actually don't care why you asked someone elses opinion, I wanted yours! I want to not have this be my issue but your obsession with beating around it is baffling.
3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch?
Because it appears intentionally distracting, when your vote is on me! You can understan that your blathering bothers me when you are voting me for what someone else said. You haven't commented on that, and you haven't commente on my defense. It's either lazy or anti-town, and you nee to STOP IT.
I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy.
Nope and nope. Not when there is no explanation.
In our, "Bum the Scum" gallery, we see the OMGUS blossom into full blown tunneling.
On January 21 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Elaborate on your issue with me plz Artanis. Why is my vote on Bum bad? Bum isn't reading the thread, while accusing others of "skimming". He agreed with suki's analysis calling me scum for having "inconsistent views on Kush's plan" when in the posts in question I was actually referring to TWO different plans...and then calls me scum for "blindly agreeing with bad logic".
This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me.
I admitted that your quotes were misconstrued by suki, but I didn't use any of that when I analyzed you here.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying.
On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex.
On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?
WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that.
Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia.
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
So you can't say my analysis doesn't hold water because I misread someone else's misconstrued analysis of you, because I never referenced it.
On January 21 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn what are YOUR updated thoughts on Bum? You accuse him of being wishywashy, which I agree with. I think that the wishy-washiness combined with the terrible cases on you and me makes him scum.
On January 21 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: So? Neither of those "easy route" things make me scum or even scummy. Who cares if they're "easy"? Does that make the points I raise any less valid? And what if Bum is scum Artanis? Just because bum attacked me first, am I supposed to go after someone else just because bum is "too easy" now? Or Wile, just because rayn attacked him first, am I supposed to find a different target just because Wile is "too easy" now? Even if he's scum? These points don't make any sense.
On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS.
And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE.
Do the math guys.
This is such a hard tunnel when you haven't presented your case properly. And you start clogging the thread up with nonsense when artanis points this out. You go so far as to attack my mafia experience when I'm trying to generate a better read of you on day one. DAY ONE. You have some nerve if you aren't mafia.
On January 21 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because sheeping / agreeing with someone does not make anyone mafia. Also his reaction to Artanis calling bum the towniest town was pure town!VE.
Sheeping/agreeing with someone doesn't make anyone mafia, but VE has failed to contribute anything to the game aside from OMGUS and policy talk.
So VE is town in your eyes purely from a meta read.
In fact it's bumatlarge who is OMGUSing here if you wanna talk about OMGUS. Oh and fails to contribute nothing else also.
Random rayn post, lol wtf rayn?
Ok, VE. I want as minimal a chance of you really screwing the pooch because I have no interest lynching you if you are just being exceptionally awkward as town.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
And that's all. Your last twenty posts about me I will just let slide because I have no desire to keep having this argument. Honestly, even if you are mafia, I'd rather keep you around and get a better read on you to be sure, but the nature of your posts do not let me do that!
On January 21 2014 12:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Mostly I'm just wondering about why that's in a spoiler if you honestly feel like I'm being unreasonable and are trying to lynch me. Instead it makes me feel like you have something to hide.
Honestly. Here's my response to your two questions.
On January 21 2014 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? Look at his case on VE again. Nothing ends with "he is mafia because of this". Everything ends in "but he could do that as town too so i am unsure".
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. he is mafia because of this
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. he is mafia because of this
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. he is mafia because of this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. he is mafia because of this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing. he is mafia because of this anyway
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. he is mafia because of this 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. he is mafia because of this. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? he is mafia because of this. I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. he is mafia because of this 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. he is mafia because of this. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. he is mafia because of this. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. he is mafia because of this
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS he is mafia because of this
##Vote VisceraEyeshe is mafia because of this
Fixed to be more Rayn friendly. I think VE is mafia. he is mafia because of this :D
Your response wasn't even a response. It was literally just you adding the phrase "he is mafia because of this" to everything you said jokingly. Like, it fooled rayn, but I'm objectively looking bum. Imagine that. Rayn was right, the way you put that entire post is strewn with verbiage that implies that you KNOW I'm capable of this kind of play as town, but you're certain enough to lynch me first. Over everything else and anyone else. You know I do these things as town, and there's nothing in any of your posting that gives any reasoning for being so certain. Everything you mention, you know I do as town as well. So why me bum?
On January 21 2014 03:15 bumatlarge wrote: To a certain point yes, but after point number #2, none of that should be green. VE not planning out himself not talking about me is scummy, because I don't believe he has much to say. And that last point is to drive home how useless what VE thought was important to talk about (Slam).
There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that.
Why would me not having much to say about you be scummy? Why would me asking someone else about you necessarily have anything to do with what I think of you anyway? Why can I not be trying to judge HIS alignment based on what he says about you in conjunction with my own thoughts about you? These are all questions you'd have or want, but you don't. You aren't interested in my opinion at all. You vote because you don't like me, by policy. And now you're making shit up to try and justify it.
2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
So here are bumatlarge's posts:
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
green: believes claim red: says claim is fake
which is it?
On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote: I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread.
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
[red]Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
I'm done here. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish with this.
He is either REALLY REALLY UNINTELLIGENT which, suprisingly, I don't think that, or he is intentionally doing this intentionally because he can get away with it.
On January 23 2014 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge can you just make a case on your top 2 scumreads? screw people who say you are not allowed to call someone scum. If you think VE is scum call him scum.
It would have to be after night time, but I'll get to it
This is really crappy because tbh you look quite bad atm and if mafia kills me and you are town you look even worse if you don't talk to me now, before i die.
I simply don't have the tools atm. don't worry about it you did your part.
You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.
Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.
On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?
What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...
I hate to say it, but we should probably look more into this:
On January 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: BIG POST.
Yes, VE answered bum. He did. bum is probably mafia.
Mafia in: JL, bum, Artanis, Bannister.
good luck guys!
I have a town read on barristan, and I don't think rayn's read on him is all that strong.
On January 22 2014 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: BarristanTheBold is the next one. There is pretty much nothing he says that has to do with this game. Every single piece of analysis he does is based on what someone did in some other game and how it compares to this on. He does not even talk about anything that's happened in this game lol.
This is all he says, and it's meta based, which is arguable.
Rayn's Artanis read is weak as well, but I don't think that counts him out in the slightest. I wouldn't lynch artanis if he started being more active, but if time is honestly his most debilitating constraint, he's null to me. I could see why people want to axe JLaw reading his filter, and his play is very similar to his scum PYP game. I'd be ok with lynching him.
Kush is probably still my top scumread, and I would like to hear why not.
And fuck rayn for saying VE answered me, he most certainly did not. Read it again. If I'm lying, lynch me.
On January 23 2014 09:53 suki wrote: Hey Barristan, since you're pushing Artanis/bum so much, I assume you're thinking there's a chance Jonny might be town.
What do you think of Jonny's progression from thinking Zarepath looked genuine for getting angry after VE's blowup, to voting Zarepath as his number one choice for lynch day 1?
Hey Suki, if you're still here, what do you think of Barristan's answer regarding the question he sent your way?
On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote: You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.
Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.
I have played a few games with kush but I've usually been too annoyed at him to read him well. I've never had the feeling that he thinks much ahead in games which is why the thing Rayn brought up makes me doubt about him. I'm using Rayn's meta reads on him mostly. Rayn mentioned how Kush mostly likes giving Town reads as scum because they're easy. This game, he started out with town reads and gave a few scumreads later on but didn't really expand on any of them. What rubbed me the wrong way most was how he reacted regarding Zarepath though. His confidence on Zare's towniness when the whole town was against him felt like he knew too much. His Balla defense is also incriminating. The only thing that makes me think we're dealing with a town Kush here was the thing regarding the VT claim, but that may be enough. Bleh.
On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?
What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...
You two were the leading wagons like 30 minutes from the lynch. I wanted him to pick a side to hold him accountable to after the flip. It wasn't that my read on you has changed.
What do you think about Barristan?
I like this. And I thought that's what you meant about me. Don't lynch this guy anytime soon. If we are scumteam, then oh well, you caught us.
The last thing kush said about zarepath before the lynch.
On January 22 2014 02:09 kushm4sta wrote: Zarepath just seems like a an honest semi newbie
To be fair, it was a unique situation, where we all switched on to him, rayn changed his mind, and we all switched off him. IT didn't seem as though kush was that interested in not lynching Zarepath, but covering his bases if he were to flip town.
On January 23 2014 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Bum where does your Barristan town read come from?
His zarepath case seemed genuine, he called attention to him, while no one was pressuring him until then. Zarepath could have been an easy target, but Barristan provided very believable reasons.
On January 21 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote: Okay fellas, the person we should be voting for today is: zarepath
Why, you ask?
Well, let's take a look at his last game as town: The Game
There are a couple of things we can notice from his filter that are already different from his few posts in this game:
1) The length and analysis of his posts in general. Yea, he had some smaller posts, but for the most part he was in there getting his hands dirty and trying to figure the game out despite not really posting a lot. What I mean is, when he did post, he was contributing meaningful things to the thread. He was question people, making points about a lot of people, etc etc. This game, literally the only thing he has talked about was VE, and even then he's just parroting other people's points into a big post to justify his vote.
Pre-Edit: I will note that I did like this part of his VE case, which gives me a slight pause, but it's not enough, IMO.
zarepath wrote: Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge.
2) Now, for the kicker. Look at how he votes and pushes his scum reads. Hint: he doesn't. He limps in to every vote with some bit of analysis, and then no pressure whatsoever because he doesn't trust his votes. He bounces around talking about a bunch of different people without ever focusing on a singular read. In short, he doesn't tunnel like...ever.
TL;DR Zarepath made a convenient case parroting other people's points about VE as soon as thread sentiment starting turning towards VE and has done nothing but tunnel him with very little actual analysis or attempt to figure the game out, which is completely the opposite of how zarepath played as town in the past. He be scum, yo.
I haven't seen tells that put him on the shitlist. I believe his vote timings were townie as well. He unvoted his top scumread when I don't believe he had to, especially when the lynchee was going to be a mystery. He did not jump on the kush vote, although that is null, but he did not jump on me either, but he was debating it in a heated moment in the thread with rayn. He did put the unnecessary vote on balla, but he was very invested in where the vote was and wasn't going. I got townie feels from the exchange. I could be wrong.
It would be worthwhile to analyze the votes. I think that's what I'm going to do.
On January 23 2014 03:39 bumatlarge wrote: Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early.
That's about the only reason you are finding a connection. I'm bumatlarge, you don't think I know how to ineract with my teammates when I'm scum?
On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote: You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.
Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.
On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?
What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...
So which is it bum? Are we overestimating or underestimating your scum game?
When you find out I'm town by the end of this game, please don't take it out on me. It's your own fault.
On January 23 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can explain the town read on kush. It's the way he said i claimed named VT at the start of the game and how he explained it later on. I really believe what he says about it.
Here:
On January 22 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote: so what happened is i thought i was a named VT and only named vts got names.
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote: I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote: then rayn said "everyone gets named" i looked back and noticed i was green
On January 22 2014 07:40 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote: I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am
so are you claiming named VT? or what the fuck are you saying?
I THOUGHT i was named vt just because i had a name. I didn't realize normal vts got names.
This makes me think he is town, because it makes sense based on what he said and how he acted at the start of the game.
It is something I have a hard time coupling with a scum Kush.
Well shit. I thought kush was referring to right that moment, I didn't know he was referring to the beginning of the thread. It looks like kush is purposefully lying if you take it in the other context. This makes tons more sense.
I gathered up all the votes so they are easier to read. If we are going to have it influence the lynch today, then we need to set in stone exactly what happened.
This is pretty raw, so I'll spoil it if you need the reference. + Show Spoiler +
JLaw: I was pushing VE, unvoted VE while I was still fighting him an voted [red]balla. Could have stayed on VE when JLaw said he thought I was town, but opted not to. Again, he had mentioned during the kush lynch that he would rather lynch balla, and did switch at a key time. Some of that a scum might do but not all of it. I think we can safely assume JLaw is not scum based on voting.
Bum, Artanis, VE, Zarepath and WileSlam are the only people not voting for balla. Suki and Barristan are arguable because they came on to the vote after one surpassed the other. Kush is debatable as well, since a scum in his position has no reason not to vote his teammate when he is the alternative.
Only VE and Wile did not vote in the time Zar calimed until the lynch. I don't believe Wile was present, and I do believe VE genuinely didn't have time to read the votes based on his post. I would like it if both these players gave their thoughts on the lynch.
I'd encourage everyone to read the filters of the last three to make your own read on them, because I believe we should lynch one of them. There has to be at least one mafia there. I'm fairly certain I've explained my situation, but I can answer any details people want to look into.
Artanis has a really bad track record with the voting. He steered the train off Zarepath and on to kush, which was quite noble, but it would be the right play if they were both mafia. He clearly did not want to lynch balla. And his vote on zarepath was weak as well.
On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Unvote Time to 180 on my read on Rayn.
On January 22 2014 02:29 suki wrote: This game is stupid because there's been so much tunneling, despite there being so much activity. It's like everyone decided 'hey lets just be anti-town and focus on one person and not comment on anything else'. Zarepath (on VE), Balla (on Crossfire), Bumatlarge (VE and maybe rayn), Artanis (rayn), Barristan (Zarepath), Thrawn (kush). Crossfire and WileE are ridiculously quiet as well. That's over half the players in the game.
Yes, exactly this. Me, you and maybe VE are the only one's who actually comment on more than just one or two things (i don't countt kush bvecause he doesn't really explain anything - but he is still probably town - LOOK THRAWN, I HAVE A CONCLUSION!).
Artanis - Balla both weird. Another interesting thing, Balla calls out Crossfire for making a case on me,why not call out Artanis out for voting for me with basically no reasoning?
As i said i see Artanis' posts as townie, i can get the logic. I don't like how he has done pretty much nothing at all.
I still want to lynch zarepath. seriously everything he says contradicts what he did a post before.
When I first pointed out the reason for my suspicion he considered it completely idiotic. The way I've posted about him, no one would blame him for being suspicious of me or even calling for my head. Town sentiment has been against me as well, yet he gets where I'm coming from.
Zare looks scummy as shit. Rayn's already said it all but calling VE town then calling him scum for it later is an obvious tell. ##vote Zarepath I'm also still interested in Kush. VE's looking better. The way he articulates his thoughts on Bum makes me feel better on him. Rather than mercilessly ragging on him it feels like he's trying to convey his thought process as clearly as possible.
Kush, especially if Zare flips scum is of interest to me. He's never really given much explanation to his votes. Even though that's not customary of Kush in general, he's shown resistance to explaining even when pressed which I don't feel is his townie persona. His suspicions just follow general thread sentiment other than Zarepath, in which he's contrarian without explaining much about it at all. Could lynch.
He has a bit of foresight present here, but Zarepath was at 5 here, which makes his vote a null tell.
Zarepath, after managing to swing the vote away from him with his claim, did not put his vote anywhere useful. His vote on cross is similar to artanis' vote on kush, except a lot less telling. I also think it is highly likely that he is lying. A Blue VT claim is fairly safe for at least one mafia to make, especially one about to die, and mafia might have to challenge a DT later.
I think the possibility of Artanis and Zarepath as the last two scum is good. But I'm the third man in that boat, so sink it anyway.
@JLaw: I like what you brought up about suki, but I don't think the case you brought up connects us. It looks like she is leaving the option open to vote me or not vote me depending on what would be better for her possible scumteam. I think you are on the right track, but I think you're biting off more then you need to be clumping me with her.
On January 23 2014 03:39 bumatlarge wrote: Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early.
That's about the only reason you are finding a connection. I'm bumatlarge, you don't think I know how to ineract with my teammates when I'm scum?
On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote: You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.
Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.
On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?
What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...
So which is it bum? Are we overestimating or underestimating your scum game?
When you find out I'm town by the end of this game, please don't take it out on me. It's your own fault.
I'm not that kind of player. You're the only one who brought ill feelings from past games into this one.
Past games? I don't know what you are talking about. I thought we were on really good terms up until this game.
On January 24 2014 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: it's really hard for me to not think of the wording of zare's claim as alignment indicative
His claim? Usually mafia is given fakeclaim. The way the hosts brushed off the claim as legal leads me to believe this was all possible. His apology post could be genuine, but he could also scum.
On January 22 2014 06:24 zarepath wrote: So that's still breaking the rules if I'm not fake claiming? Crap. Sorry all.
I think the wording can come from either alignment. "In the event that I wasn't fakeclaiming, is that still breaking the rules". I don't think that's completely believable coming from a townie. Mafia aren't allowed to claim in such a way, but townies would be? How does that make sense? That fact that he looked at it that way makes it weird coming from town.
On January 24 2014 12:05 kushm4sta wrote: dp said there are no fake claims. plus all fake claims will get crushed at lylo.
wut, how would that be fair if mafia was not given a counterclaim to a blue role if everyone is allowed to copy/paste their role, name, flavor that the host gives them. By that logic, we could all claim our names like Zarepath did and mafia would have to make up ones?
Also, did Rayn have a flavor name? He said he did and flipped town, but it wasn't given at the nightpost. Balla had one for the lynch. Not that I care too much
On January 22 2014 08:07 DarthPunk wrote:
NIGHT ONE
Let's kill that one! screamed the Detectives. No, let's kill that one! Let's kill the one that doesn't want to kill who everyone else else wants to kill, said another. So they did.
You are DarthPunk and you are really good at wifom, Each night you may wifom a player to roleblock them and prevent the use of their power. You can roleblock and send in the factional KP in the same night if you are the last scum. The target, even if he is a VT, is notified of being roleblocked.
You win when you outnumber the town or nothing can prevent that from happening You share a qt with your team here:
(Mafia Roleblocker)
There are 23 hours until the night action deadline. And 24 hours before the day post.
Ok, I think we should wait to lynch Artanis for now at least. I'm undecided on Zarepath, but I think Artanis being scum can really tell us something. I have a town read on barristan with the way he posted during the lynch, and I do believe he was on a phone. He was actively looking for the right lynch, and I would rank him about the same as JLaw as far as townie goes. Artanis was clearly actively trying to move the lynch, but no longer think their alignments are the same.
On January 22 2014 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: A asked DarthPunk if mafia has fakeclaims before the game started. You can do it aswell if you don't believe in fakeclaims and not just fucking sit on your asses discussing it here.
Now, who is mafia? Who do we lynch?
thrwan, VE, Artanis, are you here?
I am. I agree that Zare is probably not scum with all what happened. I want to lynch Kush. He's saying a lot of things without explaining anything. Follows thread sentiment except oddly on Zarepath, as if he knew he was town. ##unvote ##vote Kushm4sta
The vote was still up in the air, and if kush was town, artanis might pick up on why people aren't voting him. It's hard to grab the reins in a situation like this as town, and it was Artanis that started the Kush lynch. He was giving content at a stressful time which is important for townies to do. This might be a credit to how well artanis plays scum though. I can see why he would as mafia focus rayn after I did, and then attempt to grab the lynch by guiding the town. Artanis is a rough call for me.
I'm not going to go on Zarepath yet either, because there was a lot of pressure on and off him, and he did give content as to who to lynch, but it was at crossfire.
suki has an interesting filter at the time of the lynch as well. Her content was there, up until they decided to lynch balla instead of kush. When it came to kush, she was trying to justify her vote on him, which is what you should do as town. But her content turned into more null posts and then she switched to balla in the heat of the moment at 7:52, when his lynch was more certain. The last thing she had said about him-
On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote: I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.
Hm, not great. Her vote on him is virtually useless if she is scum. It is important to differentiate between barristan and suki here.
On January 23 2014 15:25 suki wrote: Actually bum, out of curiosity could you let me know what your theory on WileE was, even though it's not valid anymore?
On January 23 2014 04:04 bumatlarge wrote:
WileSlam I had a stupid reason, but he actually claimed green, which debunks it.
Use your imagination it's not worth talking about unless this an only this are going to effect your read on either me or Wile.
1). You really think it's only possible that I'm scum to know the set-up. Do you really think that? Think it through. What would cause me to doubt Wile. And then stop me when I foun out he was green. 3). I am a respectful teammate when I'm mafia, I would never risk incriminating my last teammate with me, especially the last one, unless they were ok with that. But I really don't mind if we were both to die. That said, suki, would you still follow through lynching artanis if I was lynched and flipped town today? This is pretty important. 4). I've always been suspicious of Artanis. Just because some posts I point out what I like doesn't mean I ever switch my read on him. He's valuable as a townie, and I wouldn't want to be the one to screw town over by leading a lynch on him without being sure.
If suki or Artanis claim anything, they are mafia.
I agree with kush, let's lynch artanis first and see what happens. I pretty much know I am not going to be lynched, and the only other person I think I'd like to see lynched is suki. It's unfortunate for mafia, but they already lost if I can count at all.
You are Marvellosity, you always seem to have really good reads. Probably because you are a cop. Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check will not tell you an alignment but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. You are Sane. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated
I breadcrumbed here:
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: [red]In this chapter, we will be looking at both Raynpelikoneet and VisceraEyes. A Bum Emersion Fanfic[/red
A Bum Emersion Fanfic = ABEF; the possible set-ups with a Parity Cop.
Here is a post I had ready, but one of the set-ups confirmed that mafia blind shot rayn when then didn't know if there was a doctor or not. Unless they pinpointed myself being a DT (which I doubt), they couldn't have known, unless they still belived Wile. You can understand how adamant I was about lynching Zarepath, but I couldn't out myself just to disprove that maybe one of three people are scum. It was worth it to wait. Then, I was ready to accuse Wile, but his green correction again altered my game plan.
I combed the scenarios, and was certain there was a set-up that let mafia know there was a doctor or not, which led me to believe zarepath was lying. Alas, set-up C was still possible so it destroyed my theory.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say we do not have doctor. The prescence on a Cop is irrelevant at this point. 1) Rayn was shot. I believe he was a likely candidate to be protected, and mafia knew that. Mafia could not afford to have shot Rayn still be alive and no one dead. 2) Roleblocker was dead, so no shenanigans there.
B: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
C: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
D: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
E: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
F: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
G: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
H: 7x VT, 3x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
Mafia would really have to know that none of ACEG are possible. They only have two groups in confirming the set-up, GF and no GodF. ADEH and BCFG.
If they have a GodF, and they believe both claims, then option D and H are possible.
If they do not have a GF, and they believe both options, then they cannot know there is not a doctor. F and G are interchangeable, so it would be taking a huge risk if mafia still were willing to shoot rayn on the 50/50 that he wasn't going to be protected. This is pretty speculative, but it is pretty good for us. If we have a Parity Cop, know that mafia will not have a Godfather.
Thing is, I'm the Parity Cop
You are Marvellosity, you always seem to have really good reads. Probably because you are a cop. Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check will not tell you an alignment but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. You are Sane. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated
So D and H are not possible. I also find it unlikely that the scum team was willing to shoot Rayn without knowing there was not a doctor. So I do believe the set-ups where both thrawn and zarepath are Blue VTs are extremely unlikely.
Obviously, I am wrong, but it was a good exercise in determine that mafia do not have a GF. Knowing this made my power much stronger. Saying I thought Wile was lying and then going back on it because he said he was green was a DT slip, but suki pursuing the idea felt incredibly anti-town.
At this point, I believe it makes sense for both suki and Artanis to be mafia. That's probably why she is voting me instead of Artanis. I'm pretty willing to go either direction.
I don't think mafia can win if people believe, especially if I survive the lynch and the night. That's a huge risk by mafia when they don't have a GF. I'm debating whether or not I should say who I checked, I guess not, but I will see it's a townie. I wish I had checked Artanis, but my reads were bad when I made the check.
Wait, we have to wait for VisceraEyes to come in an tell everyone I'm lying. He's not going to reference anything specifically, but he's going to say it regardless.
On January 24 2014 15:02 suki wrote: So, so far my town credentials read: lead a mislynch against a veteran on Day 2 caused a parity cop to be outed before Day 2 was over. wrong about everyone
Meh, my claim is my fault. I let my role and speculation get in the way of how I play town. I can understand why I looked fishy. Those credentials are something to be proud of if you do happen to be scum, which is unfortunate for you.
On January 24 2014 15:07 suki wrote: And actually I even read your soft-claim wrong, I thought you were claiming boxer -_-;
See, I probably should have just claimed boxer when thrawn did, but last time I lied as town I got insta-lynched. I couldn't do that now, because you did nail me on knowing the set-up. I could have been mafia knowing about the set-up.
On January 24 2014 16:31 BarristanTheBold wrote: bum: my problem with your claim is that hte timing makes absolutely no fucking sense. You don't get any results back until day 3, so why in the hell would you claim right now? It's just mind-bogglingly terrible timing for a real Parity Cop to claim unless you were within an hour of getting lynched.
I believe I was already outed with suki's analysis. I would have liked to not claim, but I think my play being understood for this lynch is more important then a potential scum check later. I suggest everyone filter Artanis and get a read. I am fairly certain JohnnyLaw is town.
On January 25 2014 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Interaction with Balla seems fake. He pressures Balla a bit, then when Balla answers him he doesn't do anything with it, just continues to call him scum. He knows the alignment of Balla already so he doesn't actually care about the answers. He just wants interaction for distancing.
On January 23 2014 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Jonny might very well be scum.
When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum"
On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote kushmasta
I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.
So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush?
On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I still think you're scum.
You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game.
How is sheeping rayn by saying he's here to move the game forward any type of acceptable play? In the last game you kept commenting oh how you play too nicely and trying to FIND SCUM while I randomly harassed people into talking.
you ask questions, but pose them doubtfully like you're not sure and don't care if they're answered. Your play this game is completely scummy. in 40 hours all you've managed to conclude is that rayn (nine pages of filter) is town and you can sheep him safely while crossfire (one page of filter) looks bad so you can post something without fear of him coming back at you with a defense.
It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla....
On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote zarepath
Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all.
On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote: I could join a bum scum wagon for his rationale of ending his VE assault, notably because of this:
On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you.
On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote: ##unvote
You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while.
If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks.
The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves.
He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on.
Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy.
He's thought Balla was scum all game long, but doesn't really interact with him much, nor does he vote for him until he's already dead and buried.
On January 22 2014 04:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Crossfire has 3 posts of substance.
One is policy talk. Easy scum starter.
One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done.
His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion.
He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game.
On January 22 2014 04:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Crossfire has 3 posts of substance.
One is policy talk. Easy scum starter.
One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done.
His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion.
He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game.
Is there anything you find scummy about Crossfire that you find difficult to imagine from a town point of view?
No, I can imagine them. He's just lurking though so it's hard to say.
So there's this thing he found interesting except he could see it done as both alignments. Okay.
5. Keeps trying to get cred for the Balla lynch After the lynch, Jonny seems more interested in getting credit for the lynch despite not having voted for him until the last moment than anything else.
6. Can't keep his own story straight Rayn already said it.
On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote: I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.
Aside from the activity level I'd agree.
This is really bad. Really bad. He's had one clear scumread all the game. When something unexpected happens he has no idea what to do and then calls Balla's posting town?!?! But it was scummy before? And after. lol.
On January 22 2014 03:59 JonnyLaw wrote: I dunno maybe he's frustrated he got no support after putting a lot of effort into a case. Something you did not do.
Hell if it were up to me I'd lynch balla today but that doesn't seem likely. I've played 3 games with him in the last 2-3 months and this is not how town balla should be playing. So, when something's not working find another scummer to lynch. And I think Rayn did exactly that when he found Zarepath.
On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote: I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.
Aside from the activity level I'd agree.
no no no. This does not make any sense.
That should be pretty much slam dunk already. Now for the recent posts which seem to have given people a townread on him somehow.
7. Case on Suki Cases can be bad and that doesn't make the person that makes them scummy. However, the choice of target on its own doesn't make sense. When you're a townie and you feel down and out and there's one person trying to motivate you to try again, who do you filter first to try and find scum? Generally it isn't the person trying to motivate you. So why would a scum JL do it?
Because she was the best target that no one had really made a case on yet. Making a case on Bum wouldn't get you any credit because VE's already done it. Suki was the one with the filter easiest to portrait as scum that no one did yet. A perfect target for a scum case. The effort involved wasn't too much either, simply quoting posts and adding a line here and there and suddenly towncred galore.
8. Instant flip with town consensus Okay, now that the town cred has been accrued, let's see who we can actually lynch. Artanis is getting a lot of votes, let's plop my vote down there. What's strange is that the thing that's showing I'm town the most, the effort I put into getting my target lynched, is somehow scummy to him. From all the things in my filter that's what he points out. It shows a lack of a town mindset.
Lynch JonnyLaw. He's scum. Lynch me if I'm wrong.
1) While you bring up a lot of neat points, artanis, none of it is really damning. JL talking about balla and not voting him until the end is curious, but eventually he does when it matters, I don't think he is trying to gain anything by it. It looks more like a town thought process.
2) His vote on kush is bad, but again that looks like faulty town play. He never apears to call kush town, just saying "that's how he plays", as either alignment. He is interested in how rayn came to his conclusion. He does think it over before he votes him, the distance between those posts you gave about kush are hours away from each and alot happens in between then.
3) His vote on zarepath isn't awful either. EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM. I would have rather lynched VE, and I ate flak for taking my vote off him, and you had a town read on me at the time. His reasons are on par with someone trying to scumhunt. You would have to reach a good amount to turn that into scum that is slightly bussing.
4) Rayn accuses people without purpose to generate reads. I think JLaw's attacks have a similar goal; to draw out content from certain players. Crossfire had barely any content. He was attempting to bring attention to it an wasn't pushing CF as anything. All of this just indicates that JLaw is reading the thread and trying to come up with reads.
5/6) I think he deserves some... His post with suki about balla "playing his town game" is out of place, though.
7) I find this very silly. He is developing reads, and going into territory no one has gone before is town, not mafia. Your reasons why this is scummy are completely far-fetched.
8) This is alignment-read bias. If you are really convinced someone is scum, everything they do is going to have a mafia reason.
I think a lot of what JLaw has said is questionable, but 0% of it is anti-town, and you have to ignore the vote on balla to even start to get a non-town read on him. [b]Please reconsider the wagon on JLaw, he is 95% town from what I can see.
On January 22 2014 06:18 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah that's my role except for the flavor name
There is no reason for him to be lying. The way he talks in the thread about claiming before that indicates it as well. Then he jumps on balla when it matters.
On January 25 2014 05:11 kushm4sta wrote: who gives a fuck if he breadcrumbed/claimed his fake claim that was given to him FOR THAT PURPOSE
WOOOOAH, HUGE DIFFERENCE. I breadcrumbed, but I agree, doesn't mean shit. PLAYING LIKE THE ROLE YOU ARE THOUGH, that's something different. He was heavily interested in the claiming plan, and then there is this post.
On January 21 2014 12:52 thrawn2112 wrote: So you bum voters think he casually fake-claimed named vt?
That is what VE does as town. He's probably town this game to if that game told me anything. That game also involed a lot of me being as deceitful as possible since my alter-ego died. If you really want insight into how I play a lying game as scum, that would be the one.
On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you.
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null.
Where do you get off that this is a good rebuttal. This is the fluffiest thing I have ever read. This is such a poor over-reaction, when I was merely expecting an explanation to your affirmation of Rayn's post on me. You gave me NOTHING.
2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum.
I'm further pushing an explanation that you still have not given. I actually don't care why you asked someone elses opinion, I wanted yours! I want to not have this be my issue but your obsession with beating around it is baffling.
3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch?
Because it appears intentionally distracting, when your vote is on me! You can understan that your blathering bothers me when you are voting me for what someone else said. You haven't commented on that, and you haven't commente on my defense. It's either lazy or anti-town, and you nee to STOP IT.
I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy.
Nope and nope. Not when there is no explanation.
In our, "Bum the Scum" gallery, we see the OMGUS blossom into full blown tunneling.
On January 21 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Elaborate on your issue with me plz Artanis. Why is my vote on Bum bad? Bum isn't reading the thread, while accusing others of "skimming". He agreed with suki's analysis calling me scum for having "inconsistent views on Kush's plan" when in the posts in question I was actually referring to TWO different plans...and then calls me scum for "blindly agreeing with bad logic".
This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me.
I admitted that your quotes were misconstrued by suki, but I didn't use any of that when I analyzed you here.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying.
On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex.
On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?
WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that.
Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia.
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes
So you can't say my analysis doesn't hold water because I misread someone else's misconstrued analysis of you, because I never referenced it.
On January 21 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn what are YOUR updated thoughts on Bum? You accuse him of being wishywashy, which I agree with. I think that the wishy-washiness combined with the terrible cases on you and me makes him scum.
On January 21 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: So? Neither of those "easy route" things make me scum or even scummy. Who cares if they're "easy"? Does that make the points I raise any less valid? And what if Bum is scum Artanis? Just because bum attacked me first, am I supposed to go after someone else just because bum is "too easy" now? Or Wile, just because rayn attacked him first, am I supposed to find a different target just because Wile is "too easy" now? Even if he's scum? These points don't make any sense.
On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS.
And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE.
Do the math guys.
This is such a hard tunnel when you haven't presented your case properly. And you start clogging the thread up with nonsense when artanis points this out. You go so far as to attack my mafia experience when I'm trying to generate a better read of you on day one. DAY ONE. You have some nerve if you aren't mafia.
On January 21 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because sheeping / agreeing with someone does not make anyone mafia. Also his reaction to Artanis calling bum the towniest town was pure town!VE.
Sheeping/agreeing with someone doesn't make anyone mafia, but VE has failed to contribute anything to the game aside from OMGUS and policy talk.
So VE is town in your eyes purely from a meta read.
In fact it's bumatlarge who is OMGUSing here if you wanna talk about OMGUS. Oh and fails to contribute nothing else also.
Random rayn post, lol wtf rayn?
Ok, VE. I want as minimal a chance of you really screwing the pooch because I have no interest lynching you if you are just being exceptionally awkward as town.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
And that's all. Your last twenty posts about me I will just let slide because I have no desire to keep having this argument. Honestly, even if you are mafia, I'd rather keep you around and get a better read on you to be sure, but the nature of your posts do not let me do that!
On January 21 2014 12:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Mostly I'm just wondering about why that's in a spoiler if you honestly feel like I'm being unreasonable and are trying to lynch me. Instead it makes me feel like you have something to hide.
Honestly. Here's my response to your two questions.
On January 21 2014 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? Look at his case on VE again. Nothing ends with "he is mafia because of this". Everything ends in "but he could do that as town too so i am unsure".
On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote: I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. he is mafia because of this
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. he is mafia because of this
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. he is mafia because of this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. he is mafia because of this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing. he is mafia because of this anyway
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. he is mafia because of this 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. he is mafia because of this. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? he is mafia because of this. I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. he is mafia because of this 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. he is mafia because of this. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. he is mafia because of this. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. he is mafia because of this
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS he is mafia because of this
##Vote VisceraEyeshe is mafia because of this
Fixed to be more Rayn friendly. I think VE is mafia. he is mafia because of this :D
Your response wasn't even a response. It was literally just you adding the phrase "he is mafia because of this" to everything you said jokingly. Like, it fooled rayn, but I'm objectively looking bum. Imagine that. Rayn was right, the way you put that entire post is strewn with verbiage that implies that you KNOW I'm capable of this kind of play as town, but you're certain enough to lynch me first. Over everything else and anyone else. You know I do these things as town, and there's nothing in any of your posting that gives any reasoning for being so certain. Everything you mention, you know I do as town as well. So why me bum?
On January 21 2014 03:15 bumatlarge wrote: To a certain point yes, but after point number #2, none of that should be green. VE not planning out himself not talking about me is scummy, because I don't believe he has much to say. And that last point is to drive home how useless what VE thought was important to talk about (Slam).
There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that.
Why would me not having much to say about you be scummy? Why would me asking someone else about you necessarily have anything to do with what I think of you anyway? Why can I not be trying to judge HIS alignment based on what he says about you in conjunction with my own thoughts about you? These are all questions you'd have or want, but you don't. You aren't interested in my opinion at all. You vote because you don't like me, by policy. And now you're making shit up to try and justify it.
2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal.
1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again.
On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
So here are bumatlarge's posts:
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote: We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything.I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
green: believes claim red: says claim is fake
which is it?
On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote: I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread.
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: 2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
[red]Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.
And I just hate the bolded red line in general.
##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes
The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.
This is a logical reaction.
I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR; Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
I'm done here. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish with this.
I think #1 was lost in translation. I was asking about the first analysis rayn gave of me, an why you agreed with it. You did not answer. The Rayn analysis is in the spoiler somewhere.
Bum: 2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie.
VisceraEyes: 2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal.
That isn't enough! I was trying to get your townie perspective on why I was scum so we could get a town read on each other. What is "THAT"? I had no idea what you are talking about. The question?
On January 25 2014 08:20 suki wrote: And hey Darth, you're not an awful post.
I wanted to thank you now, after the game is over.. Thank you for the encouraging PM's after my heated argument with Rayn about JL on N1. They really helped me feel better.
Actually I was literally in tears when I posted my 'I suck at mafia post' .. thems the beats.
Bum and VE going back and forth at each other is good obviously. Now we can easily take sides of the argument and call the other scum for it. I'd probably chose to side with Bum, as I think I can pocket him later in the game since I was his student recently.
The votes were key for me. JLaw as scum made no sense there, not sure why rayn put him on the scummy list. Artanis and zerapath stuck out really hard amongst them. There was VE, Wile, suki and barristan as well, but I got a town read on barristan, and I read through VE's older games and he wasn't doing much different. I had both suki and Wile over Zerapath though, which was rough.
I think as Zarepath I would have claimed doctor. You guys needed to flush out the possibility, and it was either get a CC or the lynch would be switched. A fakeclaimed doctor wouldn't be too bad if you just planned the kills and fake protections accordingly. I think his claim did really well for him in the end with people bringing up the rules. Odd that they are still stated that way. That wasn't DP's fault.
The QT was though . I think it would have been a drawn out game if it continued, but still worth zarepath to play, because he could get it to lylo.
On January 25 2014 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote: The part of rayn's analysis that I agreed with was the fact that in that whole post you made about me, there was indication that you KNOW ME better than to say that you can't see me playing the way you're saying I'm playing as town. But your vote on me over everyone else contradicts that notion - it says "I think VE is scum, even though I know he can play this way as town" It didn't look good to me, and your explanations did nothing to assuage that notion. In fact from my perspective, it looked like you were trying to make RAYN look bad because of the way you answered.
The THAT that I was referring to was everything I said after I answered the first question. You agreed with suki's case on me, BEFORE reading the posts in question, and finding that they were taken out of context. You NEVER DID read the posts in question, because someone ELSE had to tell you the problem with your theory. So you called me scum for agreeing with bad logic, and yet you agree with Suki's case on me built on entirely faulty premises. You then opt to do nothing further D1, and when you return you come back with a fluff ridden post and state that unless I answer the questions you so carefully hid inside the spoiler, you would never unvote me. So from my perspective, you are not only opting out of doing ANYTHING useful, now you're unrepentantly tunneling a townie. How is that supposed to look to me man?
I know I made mistakes, but I pointed them out. I didn't try to push anything on you after I took my vote off you day 1.
1) I misread what I remembered of your meta. I don't know how you played as scum, and I thought you were null, and because I didn't like what I read there, I came up with a red read. 2) My early read on rayn was scum, because I was unused to the way he threw around pressure. I reacted negatively when the pressure was put on me. All in all that interaction between rayn an myself was good for both of us. The way artanis came up to defend me put the initial spotlight on him. I think Artanis realized that eventually rayn and I would get town reads on each and wanted to cut-in to that pie. Rayn never really trusted me tough. 3) Suki's case I corrected myself. I had agreed with her without looking at the context of where your posts were. I didn't prepare myself for your quotes to be blatantly be misrepresented. The point of people giving analysis is for others to read it, and the nature of it being miscontrued was accidentally believable. I made sure not to include it when I got my read on you later.
I put all that stuff in the spoiler because I thought you were town. I didn't want to clog up the thread for everyone with a post that was meant to clarify a read for me that everyone else seemed to have already. You shouldn't be annoyed by that. I realized my public focus was on you too much, but I was getting other reads at te same time. I don't know how to convey that to the thread without sounding like kush.
On January 25 2014 09:11 JonnyLaw wrote: You did chat a lot early with Balla but I think that's just a comfort thing.
The other part was someone mentioned in post game last time that you need to relax and not throw out so many convoluted filters waiting for someone else to latch on to them. And you didn't. You played well I'd say.
I think scum should have left rayn alive d2 and I would have been lynched to be honest. Who knows? He might have sniffed out the scummers instead.
No, Rayn was definitely the right shot. It allowed me to get some grip on the town. I just let it go too easily. Rayn was by far the strongest townie and we took a risk by shooting him because there could be a doc, but it's a risk we needed to take after a scum lynch d1.
Yeah, I kinda weighed it both ways. It would have been interesting if you had shot someone else. Paranoia is a thing.
I knew we were supposed to do something with the votes, but it was such a unique day 1 that I don't think anyone prioritized the patterns and timings. Artanis went from null to super scummy just after examining that.
The day 1 lynch probably would have been better for mafia if zarepath said nothing, but they couldn't have known it was going to ship to balla. That was a key call Rayn, I would have never taken the lines you did. "Zaro to Balla in Tanis seconds"