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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 01:16 GMT
#121
lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 01:22 GMT
#122
yeah kush is right, pretty close to confirmed that one of kush or thrawn is scum
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 20 2014 01:36 GMT
#123
Wat
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 01:42 GMT
#124
On January 20 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah kush is right, pretty close to confirmed that one of kush or thrawn is scum

Well in that case:
##Vote: thrawn2112
There is nothing scummy in what kush has done so far.
table for two on a tv tray
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 01:47 GMT
#125
rayn do you really think town kush would ever type this

On January 20 2014 09:15 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we just find mafia and lynch them regardless of what they try to claim?


how about we be realistic about the uncertainty inherent in this game, put our egos aside, and go with the most protown course of action?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 01:52 GMT
#126
On January 20 2014 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn do you really think town kush would ever type this

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 09:15 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we just find mafia and lynch them regardless of what they try to claim?


how about we be realistic about the uncertainty inherent in this game, put our egos aside, and go with the most protown course of action?


Followed by the most anti-town suggesion? Yeah i think he could.
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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
January 20 2014 02:06 GMT
#127
On January 20 2014 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

Here is the problem:
If the named VT's claim it gives mafia info about the setup.
  • If there are no named VT's -> mafia knows the setup and can WIFOM by fakeclaiming VT and it's impossible to prove if itäs true or not
  • If there is 1 naved VT -> If mafia has a GF they know the setup, if not, they know town has no more than 1 power role.
  • If there are 2 named VT's -> mafia knows there is only max 1 power role.
  • If there are 3 named VT's -> mafia knows there is no other power roles. they can WIFOM a roleblock on people and it "confirms" that's not the setup, so WIFOM.


Every single possible scenario only helps mafai and not town, so no, don't claim named VT's because they can't be confirmed and it only helps mafia if they know how many Named VT's there are.

Discussion closed.

I don't think it's quite that simple.

I don't care if there are no named VTs or 1 or 2 or 3. Yes scum will be learn things about the setup, but honestly that doesn't matter because scum already know that there are X to Y power roles from their configuration. What claiming now does is prevent scum from being able to fake claim a named VT later. It prevents stupid things happening at lynches. Additionally, if we have power roles it gives them info about where they should begin using their powers. Even if scum decide to fake claim now, it's not like we're giving the named VTs a free pass, we're just treating them like miller claims where the info helps us and prevents scum from claiming something like that (e.g. miller) in the future.

That's all. It all depends if you think it matters if scum knowing the setup is a bad thing or if the claims could even help our power roles. I'll let other people chime in on this.

Ok. Back to this crazy Niners-Seahawks game.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 02:09 GMT
#128
When'd you start writing that Crossfire?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 02:12 GMT
#129
Could lynch for that post.
table for two on a tv tray
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2014 02:24 GMT
#130
Good day everyone, as a smurf person I didn't get my pm until now. Also I have had work.

I hope I am not too late.

Anyhow, someone early suggested all the boxers claim, I'm not much for that. I need to find out what the boxers are first.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 20 2014 02:26 GMT
#131
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 02:29 GMT
#132
Crossfire do you like kushm4sta's plan?
table for two on a tv tray
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 20 2014 02:30 GMT
#133
Boxer is a Named VT, one of the blue roles. It's a blue role with no power.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 02:34 GMT
#134
I don't have high hopes on someone who has read the thread and still cannot conclude what Boxer is.
In fact it's highly likely they are mafia and don't actually read the thread.
table for two on a tv tray
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 02:40 GMT
#135
Ve's full of shit.

He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now.

##vote visceral eyes

VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 20 2014 02:40 GMT
#136
I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 02:41 GMT
#137
ebwop: terrible at spelling names

##vote visceraeyes
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 02:45 GMT
#138
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.



Why do you think not?

I think scum.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
January 20 2014 03:08 GMT
#139
On January 20 2014 11:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
When'd you start writing that Crossfire?

Idk. During some random 2 minute commercial break. I'll think about this issue more, but I gtg now, though. See you all tomorrow.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 20 2014 03:09 GMT
#140
On January 20 2014 11:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.



Why do you think not?

I think scum.

I don't understand the question. Or the accusation.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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