On January 20 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the likelihood for our second lynch choice flipping scum is pretty close to our first choice.

Also if they are scum and they claim blue, they are just postponing their lynch.

Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch?

Balla it's a joke.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 20 2014 00:34 GMT

#103

yo i sort of scum coached this newbie where balla was town. This guy is sick. I am expecting amazing reads from him.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 20 2014 00:36 GMT

#104

On January 20 2014 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch?

it's worth it to make sure we don't lynch a blue. Eh honestly id rather argue about it out of game and get the unbiased thoughts of more mechanically minded players.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 20 2014 00:38 GMT

#105

@ve what can we expect in terms of activity from you? no judgements, just curious.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 20 2014 00:40 GMT

#106

Kush the thing is that it's literally no different than any other game right?

Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case.

If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 20 2014 00:42 GMT

#107

No you don't necessarily postpone the lynch. Then you look if the claim makes sense and and either believe it or not. You don't just blindly trust claims.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 20 2014 00:42 GMT

#108

On January 20 2014 09:40 Balla24 wrote:
Kush the thing is that it's literally no different than any other game right?

Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case.

If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special?

the difference is that on this site people are retarded and they don't do that

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 20 2014 00:46 GMT

#109

I also disagree with 'don't lynch people who claim'. With this sort of policy, scum will just claim even if they have no chance in hell of people believing it. If it keeps them alive for one more day that's enough of an advantage gained.

Can someone explain what a 'Boxer' is?

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 20 2014 00:50 GMT

#110

Absolutely rayn, regardless i think we should move on... this kind of conversation will just make it easier for blue reads I think and honestly it's not that interesting.

The boxers are much more interesting, what exactly do we gain from having boxers claim? Town cred for some players and setup information? The setup information is honestly not that helpful for us at this point right?

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 20 2014 00:51 GMT

#111

On January 20 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote:

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\so you are claiming named vt lol

I don't like kush's plan, or his reason that it will save a blue and we can catch scum later. Also I think that kush is obviously not a VT or a named VT because if he were then he wouldn't have such stupid logic about how rayn is claiming named VT.

##vote kushm4sta

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 20 2014 00:55 GMT

#112

Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 20 2014 00:56 GMT

#113

Expect whatever you expect. It's not going to change my alignment one way or the other. I'm done using outside excuses for my in-game behavior.

I WILL say that I will likely be more active than I have been in the last few games I've played, if that gives you any indication.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 20 2014 01:01 GMT

#114

On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 20 2014 01:02 GMT

#115

##vote suki
placeholder, omgus vote

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 20 2014 01:02 GMT

#116

2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

January 20 2014 01:09 GMT

#117

##vote: kushm4sta

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 20 2014 01:11 GMT

#118

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Here is the problem:
If the named VT's claim it gives mafia info about the setup.

If there are no named VT's -> mafia knows the setup and can WIFOM by fakeclaiming VT and it's impossible to prove if itäs true or not
If there is 1 naved VT -> If mafia has a GF they know the setup, if not, they know town has no more than 1 power role.
If there are 2 named VT's -> mafia knows there is only max 1 power role.
If there are 3 named VT's -> mafia knows there is no other power roles. they can WIFOM a roleblock on people and it "confirms" that's not the setup, so WIFOM.

Every single possible scenario only helps mafai and not town, so no, don't claim named VT's because they can't be confirmed and it only helps mafia if they know how many Named VT's there are.

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