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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 20 2014 00:32 GMT
#101
On January 20 2014 09:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not claiming anything.

I was expecting a counterclaim. I'm very disappointed


Can you explain? I'm really confused...
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 00:33 GMT
#102
On January 20 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the likelihood for our second lynch choice flipping scum is pretty close to our first choice.

Also if they are scum and they claim blue, they are just postponing their lynch.

Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch?

Balla it's a joke.
table for two on a tv tray
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 00:34 GMT
#103
yo i sort of scum coached this newbie where balla was town. This guy is sick. I am expecting amazing reads from him.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 00:36 GMT
#104
On January 20 2014 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch?


it's worth it to make sure we don't lynch a blue. Eh honestly id rather argue about it out of game and get the unbiased thoughts of more mechanically minded players.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 00:38 GMT
#105
@ve what can we expect in terms of activity from you? no judgements, just curious.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 20 2014 00:40 GMT
#106
Kush the thing is that it's literally no different than any other game right?

Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case.

If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 00:42 GMT
#107
No you don't necessarily postpone the lynch. Then you look if the claim makes sense and and either believe it or not. You don't just blindly trust claims.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 00:42 GMT
#108
On January 20 2014 09:40 Balla24 wrote:
Kush the thing is that it's literally no different than any other game right?

Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case.

If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special?


the difference is that on this site people are retarded and they don't do that
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 20 2014 00:46 GMT
#109
I also disagree with 'don't lynch people who claim'. With this sort of policy, scum will just claim even if they have no chance in hell of people believing it. If it keeps them alive for one more day that's enough of an advantage gained.

Can someone explain what a 'Boxer' is?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 20 2014 00:50 GMT
#110
Absolutely rayn, regardless i think we should move on... this kind of conversation will just make it easier for blue reads I think and honestly it's not that interesting.

The boxers are much more interesting, what exactly do we gain from having boxers claim? Town cred for some players and setup information? The setup information is honestly not that helpful for us at this point right?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 20 2014 00:51 GMT
#111
On January 20 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I found it ironic that my "name" is Z-Boson, the dude who outed my scumteam by posting our scum QT in thread in one game.

\so you are claiming named vt lol


I don't like kush's plan, or his reason that it will save a blue and we can catch scum later. Also I think that kush is obviously not a VT or a named VT because if he were then he wouldn't have such stupid logic about how rayn is claiming named VT.

##vote kushm4sta
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 00:55 GMT
#112
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 20 2014 00:56 GMT
#113
Expect whatever you expect. It's not going to change my alignment one way or the other. I'm done using outside excuses for my in-game behavior.

I WILL say that I will likely be more active than I have been in the last few games I've played, if that gives you any indication.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 20 2014 01:01 GMT
#114
On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 01:02 GMT
#115
##vote suki
placeholder, omgus vote
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 20 2014 01:02 GMT
#116
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 01:09 GMT
#117
##vote: kushm4sta
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 01:11 GMT
#118
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

Here is the problem:
If the named VT's claim it gives mafia info about the setup.
  • If there are no named VT's -> mafia knows the setup and can WIFOM by fakeclaiming VT and it's impossible to prove if itäs true or not
  • If there is 1 naved VT -> If mafia has a GF they know the setup, if not, they know town has no more than 1 power role.
  • If there are 2 named VT's -> mafia knows there is only max 1 power role.
  • If there are 3 named VT's -> mafia knows there is no other power roles. they can WIFOM a roleblock on people and it "confirms" that's not the setup, so WIFOM.


Every single possible scenario only helps mafai and not town, so no, don't claim named VT's because they can't be confirmed and it only helps mafia if they know how many Named VT's there are.

Discussion closed.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 01:13 GMT
#119
On January 20 2014 10:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
##vote: kushm4sta


thrawn is scum because he's wrong lol
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 20 2014 01:15 GMT
#120
to add to my scumminess im about to take a super long afk.
bai
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
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