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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 03:15 GMT
#141
What i do not understand is why do you even consider the claiming as you have already implied you can't possibly learn anything from it as town..
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 20 2014 03:16 GMT
#142
For the reasons that have been stated multiple times...not for information but to deny scum somewhere to hide on the block.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 03:18 GMT
#143
I think BH did his dissertation on the correct Boxer claim timing. I'll try to find it but I think it's in some obs thread.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 03:24 GMT
#144
What the hell? How can scum hide? You just said a while ago you don't like kush's plan which means you don't take claims for granted. Who cares if someone claims named VT when most likely being lynched. It does not mean shit unless you can tell for sure their claim cannot be false which you can't.

If we have named VT's claim now we have 0-4 claims. In case we have 0 claims we learn the setup. If we have 1-3 claims we learn that there are 0-3 fakeclaims which in fact tells us absolutely nothing as you can't confirm anything. If we have 4 claims we learn that we have at least 1 scum in the claimed VT's, one fucking mafia in a group of four people, lol.

In every situation mafia learns how many power roles town has, possibly even the whole setup depending on the claim numbers and their roles.

Do i need to explain more why the claiming does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOOD TO THE TOWN AND ONLY HELPS MAFIA?!?!?!!?

VE - Crossfire - thesmurfdude / all those people look terrible.
VE + Crossfire for not realising something obvious while agreeing that we should not blindly trust claims
smurfdude for not reading the thread or if he has for making a useless post that does not contribute towards anything and asks an useless question that has been explained in thread already.

##unvote
##Vote: Wile E. Coyote
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 03:35 GMT
#145
I also don't understand why people want opinions before they can form their own opinion and that's highly suspicious.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 03:55 GMT
#146
##unvote

I need to see him do stuff other than talk about setup because I just realized my kush-instincts don't really apply to anything he's posted.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-20 03:56:43
January 20 2014 03:56 GMT
#147
Vote Count!

Kushm4sta (1) - Suki, Thrawn

Suki (1) - Kushm4sta

Thrawn (0) - Rayn

VisceraEyes (1) - JonnyLaw

Wile E. Coyote (1) - Rayn

Currently Kushm4sta is set to be lynched. There are 44 hours remaining in day one.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 03:56 GMT
#148
sniped
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 20 2014 04:02 GMT
#149
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.


So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.


Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.

And I just hate the bolded red line in general.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 20 2014 04:04 GMT
#150
Also:
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...


I don't even..

Please explain how scum doesn't benefit from knowing the setup in a game that's purely based around scarcity of information.
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2014 04:04 GMT
#151
Hello Thrawn.

Raynpelikoneet your reasoning for voting me sucks- or advocate a lurker lynch!

Now that I know what a boxer is I see no reason for them to claim- AT ALL- until they are up for lynch.

WIFOM the scumteam for its night kills. Think like you rolled scum this game, who do you night kill and why? Who do you mislynch?

Now make your mislynch choice a boxer. How do you feel?

Come now who suggested they claim?
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2014 04:07 GMT
#152
Crossfire99

No. I don't care if a half chance is better than 30 % not giving scum that kind of info. If boxers save their claims, they still don't get lynched and bam! Your likelihoods return.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 04:09 GMT
#153
Wile E. Coyote did you or did you not read the thread before your first post?
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Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2014 04:11 GMT
#154
On January 20 2014 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wile E. Coyote did you or did you not read the thread before your first post?

I read a few pages a few posts. Why? Scrolling fast main objective was to find out if I'm modkilled which I'm not so all is rosy.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 04:12 GMT
#155
Why do you post without reading the thread?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 04:18 GMT
#156
I'd lynch coyote

for not reading, for continually asking questions with answers that can be easily figured out, and for using scum mindset to form opinion on boxer claim
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 04:26 GMT
#157
...for using scum mindset to form opinion on boxer claim

Could you elaborate more on this? I don't get what you mean.
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Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2014 04:29 GMT
#158
On January 20 2014 13:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'd lynch coyote

for not reading, for continually asking questions with answers that can be easily figured out, and for using scum mindset to form opinion on boxer claim

This kind of reasoning kills our towns.
The first two are valid points (the very first one meh- I have nothing to fear as town while as scum... Conclusion? Fearlessness is scummy) but the bold is outrageous, to make me vote Thrawn. How else do you make informed opinions on what motivates a player first of all, second, what does "meta" ACTUALLY mean? (Outside your own mind) This is true meta, to think like your opponent to guess what he will do. This is a starcraft website and that was lost? What?

Now I will read some time soon I have only been able to peek in now and then.

Since I don't know how close to deadline we are I am a boxer. Chezinu. I am not a Chezinu smurf, but I "am Chezinu"
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 04:32 GMT
#159
what the hell
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 04:36 GMT
#160
Now that I know what a boxer is I see no reason for them to claim- AT ALL- until they are up for lynch.

WIFOM the scumteam for its night kills. Think like you rolled scum this game, who do you night kill and why? Who do you mislynch?

Now make your mislynch choice a boxer. How do you feel?

------

No. I don't care if a half chance is better than 30 % not giving scum that kind of info. If boxers save their claims, they still don't get lynched and bam! Your likelihoods return.



He starts off explaining his opinion by saying "Think like you rolled scum." He's already responded to this post and the asnwer was kinda a "believe me or not" type of answer but i do th ink it's odd that he reached his conclusion by "pretending he rolled scum."

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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