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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 03:24 GMT
#144
What the hell? How can scum hide? You just said a while ago you don't like kush's plan which means you don't take claims for granted. Who cares if someone claims named VT when most likely being lynched. It does not mean shit unless you can tell for sure their claim cannot be false which you can't.

If we have named VT's claim now we have 0-4 claims. In case we have 0 claims we learn the setup. If we have 1-3 claims we learn that there are 0-3 fakeclaims which in fact tells us absolutely nothing as you can't confirm anything. If we have 4 claims we learn that we have at least 1 scum in the claimed VT's, one fucking mafia in a group of four people, lol.

In every situation mafia learns how many power roles town has, possibly even the whole setup depending on the claim numbers and their roles.

Do i need to explain more why the claiming does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOOD TO THE TOWN AND ONLY HELPS MAFIA?!?!?!!?

VE - Crossfire - thesmurfdude / all those people look terrible.
VE + Crossfire for not realising something obvious while agreeing that we should not blindly trust claims
smurfdude for not reading the thread or if he has for making a useless post that does not contribute towards anything and asks an useless question that has been explained in thread already.

##unvote
##Vote: Wile E. Coyote
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 03:35 GMT
#145
I also don't understand why people want opinions before they can form their own opinion and that's highly suspicious.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 04:09 GMT
#153
Wile E. Coyote did you or did you not read the thread before your first post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 04:12 GMT
#155
Why do you post without reading the thread?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 04:26 GMT
#157
...for using scum mindset to form opinion on boxer claim

Could you elaborate more on this? I don't get what you mean.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 11:26 GMT
#186
Is anyone here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 11:45 GMT
#187
suki's case is really bad and bumatlarge has zero posts that make any sense.

##unvote
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 12:50 GMT
#190
What do you think of bumatlarge's posts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:31 GMT
#193
kush why do you think thrawn is town?
VE opinions on bumatlarge's posts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:35 GMT
#196
On January 20 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm pretty sure I can tone read thrawn. more inquisitive, less formal as town

But you just called him scum because he is wrong on you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:42 GMT
#201
On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.

I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.


So here are bumatlarge's posts:
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote:
We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.

green: believes claim
red: says claim is fake

which is it?

On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?

This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already.
Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread.

On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.


So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.


Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.

And I just hate the bolded red line in general.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes


The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.

Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.

On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.

This is a logical reaction.

I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.



TLDR;
Here's what bum's posts say this far
- Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim
- Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy
- Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.

##Vote: bumatlarge
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:43 GMT
#202
On January 20 2014 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum.

There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:49 GMT
#209
On January 20 2014 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum.

There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all..

Dude he was absolutely against boxers claiming and claimed on TWO VOTES. After someone is on record saying we should NOT EVER lynch blue claims.

I don't see why would he do that as scum. Like do you think he straight up paniced 5 hours into the game and just fucked up as mafia and didn't think anything at all, or do you think he has no fucking clue what's going on as town, like he usually is?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:55 GMT
#214
Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.

VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?

kush why am i town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 13:58 GMT
#218
No we won't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 14:03 GMT
#222
On January 20 2014 23:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that.

The argument is why is Slam's claim mafia motivated because you are arguing against there being a mafia motivation in the first place.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 14:08 GMT
#227
kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 14:12 GMT
#229
+ Show Spoiler +
1: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
1: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
1: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

2: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
2: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
2: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker


kushmasta, we are in LYLO. We have 2x Named VT claims and a parity cop claim and a doctor claim. Who is scum of the claims?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 14:17 GMT
#232
On January 20 2014 23:15 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
1: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
1: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
1: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

2: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
2: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
2: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker


kushmasta, we are in LYLO. We have 2x Named VT claims and a parity cop claim and a doctor claim. Who is scum of the claims?


you make a good point. That would be the most difficult scenario, as any one of them could technically be a fake claim. But there will probably be other factors in the game which will help us figure out the setup or some extreme townreads from some of the claims etc.

No, that's what you are arguing about. You are arguing we should blindly trust claims until LYLO.
So tell me, who is lying since you say "then we solve the game by claims"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 20 2014 14:18 GMT
#233
What makes you think mafia will not make it "the most difficult scenario" for us?
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