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Wile E. Coyote
Mexico790 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:09 JonnyLaw wrote: Whoa why are you so mad rayn? Easy guy, take it down a notch. You were in that fucking game. Kush throws reads around like he's in batting practice. I don't see his anger lol | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town. There is nothing wrong in those quotes suki brought up. VE thinks kush's plan is bad and VE is not sure if claiming/not claiming Boxers is best play. Where is the inconsistancy? He does not change his mind anywhere. Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though. You said "i think VE is scum but i need to go back and look if he does this as town". That's exactly what you said. Did you go back and look at if he does that as town or not? Does he do that as town or not? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On the first quote: Rayn's not wrong here. What suki posted was pointing out "lapses" in VE's thought process but those quotes she was bolding in were about different topics. Quote1: on kush's "plan", Quote2: on Boxers claiming, Quote3: on boxers claiming with the use of Kush's plan as a way to emphasize his point. On the second quote: I can see that for sure. It's really hard to tell whether or not rayn is purposefully doing it or not. I think i'm going to go with this simplest answer here and say it wasn't on purpose. Particularly because it's hard to read into it how you expected us to read into it. It's not like you explicitly were saying "I think VE is scum". So I think I chose to give rayn the benefit of the doubt there. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
But as JLaw linked, kush does do that as town. He was a bit more aggressive there though. On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town. I'm not biased at all! To be fair, PYP progresses a lot faster then a normal game like this, so I believe Kush wouldn't have concrete reasons this game. I think it sub-optimal for townies to give other townies a gut town read unless they are being pressured hard, but this isn't different from what I know about kush. I'm calm now rayn, you continue to give me more on Kush, and I will attempt to be unbiased in reading it. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 20 2014 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch? Balla it's a joke. On January 20 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well in that case: ##Vote: thrawn2112 There is nothing scummy in what kush has done so far. What is different in these two scenarios? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge: There is nothing wrong in those quotes suki brought up. VE thinks kush's plan is bad and VE is not sure if claiming/not claiming Boxers is best play. Where is the inconsistancy? He does not change his mind anywhere. Uh-oh. WAS I THE WRONG ONE? I'll go back and read it. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 20 2014 23:13 kushm4sta wrote: k ill explain my weak townread of bum. It all comes from reading rayn's case. Bum is trying to figure out VE's alignment. He is questioning the same things about VE's play that I am. So it looks like natural townie suspicion to me. kush is leaning towards bum being town because Bum is "questioning the same things about VE's play" that he is. So kush must be referring to when bum was agreeing with my original case (which was horrible), which pegged VE as scummy. Specifically, bum makes two posts which speak about VE: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote: The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town. On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote: I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town. So. Kush agrees (?) that VE doesn't look good because of bum's points. Bum's points are my case. Kush sees Bum as town, but also sees VE as town. 1. He thinks bum is town for bum's reasoning, which is simply an agreement of someone else's case and no further follow-up 2. He thinks VE is town even though he agrees with bum's agreement that VE looks scummy. I find it hard to believe a town kush would feel that both bum and VE look town to him, based on the reasons he gave. I definitely see a scum kush screwing up like this. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Half of your posts starts with an "I don't" get it, understand, don't want to solve this fucking game because I'm scum. Bum or Rayn, pick one. Who's scummier? *as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said he wanted to go back and check if VE does that as town. I want to know his conclusions as he pretty much promised to do so. If you thought I was going to go back into another game I played with him and provide examples of this, I am sorry. It was a mental meta in the back of my head from ages past. I actually can't remember anything concrete, just a foggy notion that he can do this as town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Why don't you back that up with quotes of me asking those "everyone" what their read on VE is? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:37 bumatlarge wrote: If you thought I was going to go back into another game I played with him and provide examples of this, I am sorry. It was a mental meta in the back of my head from ages past. I actually can't remember anything concrete, just a foggy notion that he can do this as town. So idk, how is anyone supposed to trust your read when you don't even know yourself if the read is legit? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
*as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever. Yes, please refer to me as 'she' I would very much appreciate it. [spoiler] | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge, i would also like to know who are all of these people i have asked what their read on VE is. You said i have asked "ust about everyone here what there read of him is". Why don't you back that up with quotes of me asking those "everyone" what their read on VE is? It might have been just you asking kush twelve times in your filter. I'm going to re-evalute things. I pretty much did what VE did and called him scum. Suki makes case on VE, bum - "cool", rayn makes case on bum, VE - "cool" "OMG VE DIDNT EVEN READ IT" | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote: So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter? Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy. And I just hate the bolded red line in general. ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes To be fair, I was not expecting all three initial posts to be completely taken out of context. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:35 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla you haven't actually said anything this game. Half of your posts starts with an "I don't" get it, understand, don't want to solve this fucking game because I'm scum. Bum or Rayn, pick one. Who's scummier? *as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever. Because wanting someone to clarify their posts means "I don't want to solve this game"? You should know me better than this Jonny. I'm very inquisitive. If I think something doesn't make sense or I'd like clarification then I ask about it. Bum or Rayn are not scummy at this point. The only thing I don't like out of what Rayn has done is his discussion on Kush's plan, beyond that he's starting a lot of discussion and having conversations. That's good. I don't know much about Bum but his case on Rayn was a little far-fetched. I don't like how he's already linking players on d1 (even though it's not a hard-link as we did last game) since we saw what happens with that already last game. His case on VE, separate from what he said about Rayn makes more sense. I don't see a scum player already making far-fetched cases like this so early, and I think it was more a reaction case then anything to rayn's case. What do you think? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:46 bumatlarge wrote: To be fair, I was not expecting all three initial posts to be completely taken out of context. For the record I don't think bumatlarge is scum at this point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I have no idea what his read on VE is because it's inconsistent. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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