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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:02 GMT
#261
rayn this is exactly how kush plays though.

What's telling you he's scum?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 17:02 GMT
#262
On January 20 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm pretty sure I can tone read thrawn. more inquisitive, less formal as town


On January 11 2014 19:57 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn confirmed town - inquisitive nature

-------

On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:
godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish.


btw you are so town that if i was physically attracted to towniness I would want to fuck your brains out right now.


--------

On January 20 2014 23:56 kushm4sta wrote:
The ve read is not based on tone. Ve has a too dumb to be scum thing going on right now.

i think your slam vote was too dumb to be scum


townread
tooscummytobescum

Original Message From thrawn2112:
you reading mocsta as town/scum/trolling?


2 games, the PM game and this one. That's what all these quotes are from.. the top quote from each set is from PM game, bottom quote of each set is from this game. Note the similarities. Some of this may seem trivial but I am very very confident in my ability to read kush so I assure you it isn't.

In the first set of quotes his read on me has the exact same reasoning as his read on me from the PM game. I also wanna point out how he's avoiding me this game. He made that one snide remark at the start but that was not addressed to me. He's avoiding me becasue he knows I can catch him. In the PM game he sent me that "want to fuck your brains out" and I do not think that is something that town kush would ever say, nor would he say what he said to VE here. It's "too beneath him" or "homo" or "circle-jerkish" or something, idk, but the point is that town kush doesn't normally talk like that. The only difference between kush's play here and his scum play is that he's acting slightly less confident about his reads, but he knows that that is something I look for. As scum he town hunts. As town, it's easy for me to tell when he is legitimately scumhunting and I have't seen one post that feels like real kush scumhunting.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 17:03 GMT
#263
On January 21 2014 02:02 JonnyLaw wrote:
rayn this is exactly how kush plays though.

What's telling you he's scum?

Have you read anything i have posted in thread?
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:03 GMT
#264
kush filter lol pyp
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 20 2014 17:05 GMT
#265
On January 21 2014 02:03 JonnyLaw wrote:
kush filter lol pyp


I ghuess he was town there? I open it and can immediately see his scumhunting thought process which is something I have yet to see here.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 17:05 GMT
#266
Who the fuck cares about some random filter if you don't tell us what to look for?
What does that filter say, how is it similar/different from this game. Why the hell are you even posting it?
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:07 GMT
#267
Yeah, I've read it. You think he's scum for making a bad plan and throwing out random reads on players. This bothers me as well but he does it as town also.

You wanted to vote bum and this gem.

On January 20 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah kush is right, pretty close to confirmed that one of kush or thrawn is scum

Well in that case:
##Vote: thrawn2112
There is nothing scummy in what kush has done so far.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 17:07 GMT
#268
Where have i said i think he is scum for making a bad plan?
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:09 GMT
#269
Whoa why are you so mad rayn?

Easy guy, take it down a notch. You were in that fucking game. Kush throws reads around like he's in batting practice.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:10 GMT
#270
On January 20 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
1: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
1: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
1: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

2: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
2: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
2: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker


kushmasta, we are in LYLO. We have 2x Named VT claims and a parity cop claim and a doctor claim. Who is scum of the claims?

Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
January 20 2014 17:10 GMT
#271
Vote Count!

Kush (3) - Thrawn, Wiley, Rayn

VisceraEyes (2) - Suki, Bum

Bum (1) - VE

Balla (1) - Kush

Currently Kush is set to be lynched. The deadline is Tuesday, Jan 21 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) there are remaining in day one.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 17:10 GMT
#272
Yes and if he is town he can explain those reads. Apparently he has no explanations here.
Again, where have i said he is mafia for making a bad plan. I said the opposite to suki if you have read my posts, that his bad plan does not make him mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 17:10 GMT
#273
On January 21 2014 02:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
1: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
1: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
1: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker

2: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather
2: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker
2: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker


kushmasta, we are in LYLO. We have 2x Named VT claims and a parity cop claim and a doctor claim. Who is scum of the claims?


And this is saying he is mafia how?
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:11 GMT
#274
I'll give you that.

You didn't call him scum for having a bad plan. You just called the plan bad. I put the two together.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 20 2014 17:12 GMT
#275
On January 21 2014 01:55 JonnyLaw wrote:

Kush, why are you voting balla? Lack of activity? He's active when scum as well. Is it that he didn't like your plan and he's not being active?


First off, what I was saying about his plan was that its just like any other game and its nothing really new, not that it was bad (besides the giving blues immunity regardless of what happens, that's bad and what the main bulk of the discussion around it was)

Second off, it's pretty clear why kush is voting me here. I haven't done shit yet, he wants me to do shit, he votes me to pressure me into doing shit. You of all people should see that.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 20 2014 17:13 GMT
#276
I wanted him to stop discussing the plan because it's fucking stupid and bad. I would have called him scum if he didn't drop it.
I am calling him mafia because he has a town read on half of the players in this game for no reasoning. I believe he has no reasoning for those reads because he refuses to explain them.
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:14 GMT
#277
On January 21 2014 02:12 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 01:55 JonnyLaw wrote:

Kush, why are you voting balla? Lack of activity? He's active when scum as well. Is it that he didn't like your plan and he's not being active?


First off, what I was saying about his plan was that its just like any other game and its nothing really new, not that it was bad (besides the giving blues immunity regardless of what happens, that's bad and what the main bulk of the discussion around it was)

Second off, it's pretty clear why kush is voting me here. I haven't done shit yet, he wants me to do shit, he votes me to pressure me into doing shit. You of all people should see that.


I don't use that reasoning though. Yesterday was nfl playoffs and a sunday for people without eagles and freedom. It's why I said I'd vote for you or bum if nothing else comes from you guys.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 20 2014 17:16 GMT
#278
I don't follow...? So you were thinking the same thing as him basically yet you call him out for doing so?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 20 2014 17:19 GMT
#279
Nah, I expected you two to show up in the thread well before voting deadline.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 20 2014 17:20 GMT
#280
Sure balla

On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.


So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.


Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.

And I just hate the bolded red line in general.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes


The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.

Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.


In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.

This is a logical reaction.

I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.


Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town.

Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this.

"I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town"

Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though.
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