TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart

On January 14 2014 13:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
Town Butcher

You are a regular townie, however your occupation leaves you with bloodstained hands each night so you show up red to detective checks. You are not self-aware

Wanted to nerf town?

On January 14 2014 13:48 bumatlarge wrote:


psh you have to see your alignment before you know that

On January 27 2014 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC I may agree with you with regard to GGTemplar, but I want to hear your reasoning for thinking he's scum.

I also think that BH is scum for a specific, PM related reason that I'm not willing to share with the group, but I will say that he's not floating my boat in the thread either.

On January 27 2014 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh god why are there so many pages full of incomprehensible scribblings??? ? ?
BC are you scum?
You seem like scum.

On January 27 2014 02:41 Skanjab1s wrote:
I like you BC, lets be friends.

But, ohwait, why did you make that lovely campaign post but then not vote for yourself?

Why would you do that to me BC
Why

On January 27 2014 03:41 QuantumPope wrote:


I generalized to be concise. Long posts that doesn't seem to say anything, for instance the one I am quoting, doesn't really do anything for town. I could write a 2000 word post going into specifics of various individuals in the thread but I find it posts like that only hinder town. Your personal attacks on my character also seem to be unsubstantiated so I'd love for you could please elaborate on the following:


I don't see the problem with supporting kush? I happen to be a very sensible person but if you could happen to enlighten me as to why this is a bad read it would be greatly appreciated.


You try to discredit my reads...with no counter argument and by calling me retarded. Want to elaborate?

On January 27 2014 04:13 QuantumPope wrote:


I appreciate a post like this much more than your previous one. You lack of personal attacks and actually trying to give me a read is helpful instead of trying to play on my emotions.

That post was to have town start speaking about my reads and have me explain them further. By doing this it allows town to gather information on why you pinged that person and shows interaction. You decided to personally attack me without trying to think why someone would post like that and read my scummy for it. You also seemed to be grasping at straws when I felt like I gave good arguments to my reasoning. If you are into specific reads so much why have given none and been tunneling on my posting style instead of asking questions to have me elaborate? Especially if you don't like some of those reads.

As for kush: I have never supported him. I'm trying to see where you got that?I'll let this first day let me get a better read and I have taken your words into consideration but my read on him has not changed. He is not being town read, nor is he someone I want in power.

Overall I think I've defeated a lot of the pressure brought towards me but I'd love to see what more people think of my reads.


I thought it would be the best way to get my reads out early on in a quick and easy way. As to questioning other people's reads I tend to like that play but I found it too aggressive for my liking.

On January 27 2014 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:
you could even argue that a vet is the worst choice since a vet will look town regardless of alignment

On January 27 2014 06:22 Skanjab1s wrote:
I don't think it's necessarily scummy to bluehunt in PM's.

It's something scum COULD do, but town could do it just the same, and with many different motives.

It's not very indicative in my opinion.

On January 27 2014 06:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I didn't really have huge expectations that many people would instantly trust me and answer but it didn't hurt to try though, that is unless everyone reads me scum for trying.

On January 27 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
i guess mocsta fake claimed mason with alaka in the thread

On January 28 2014 00:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
So I've been talking with Mocsta the confirmed townie, and he tells of the existence of a qt that currently has 4 members, 2 of them being Mocsta and BH.
BH/2 unknown members, 1 probably thrawn, care to share about what is going on inside it?

On January 28 2014 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a pm from the hosts.

On January 28 2014 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
BC, can you explain your storrzerg read in more detail? He told me that he is talking to everyone eventually to find out shit and it seems something more townie, why go through all the effort and possibly slipping when you already know alignments?

On January 28 2014 02:43 Blazinghand wrote:

well i wasnt planning on lying 2 thread

On January 28 2014 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC comment on the QP post now!

On January 28 2014 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because that's what he does. There is nothing scummy in what VE pointed out for example.

On January 28 2014 06:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
stor

STOR

[b]BH IS TOWN DONT VOTE BC i can prove it after the lynch

On January 28 2014 15:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I vouch hard for QP lynch.
Storrzerg makes BC mayor.
Storrzerg can't possible be mafia unless they don't wanna lynch QP - otherwise he had just voted for me.

AND BC LYNCHES HIM ?!?!?!
BC can't be town. He just can't be.

On January 28 2014 21:39 kushm4sta wrote:
bc i just don't get what changed to make you not want to lynch qp anymore..

On January 28 2014 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not looking to lynch yet.

what I want to see is more effort put in by QP, coag and bum and thepoofteh replacement.

basically we have 48hrs and right now I would be looking for someone out of that group specifically.

I'm also waiting for BC to shed more light on how the lynch went down. kush asked some valid questions I thought.

On January 29 2014 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Shut the fuck up. You are making shit up.
Now give me the logs you scum.

On January 28 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
QP
BC
Storr
bum

ezpz

On January 29 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:

for those of us who don't have bodyguards, it might be reasonable to post them now so we have some time to look at them before potentially dying yes

On January 29 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want you to elaborate on your reasoning. You have given half-arsed reasoning for suspecting Storr and bumatlarge is making shit up. I wanna know why.

You don't need any info. If you want to know why i think someone is town or mafia, just ask me. You don't need to know everyone i have talked about or everyone's every single thought. That's bullshit BC and you know it.

If you have a problem with some of my reads ask about it. You are just wanting to know my circle, there is no reason for you to know who i have talked or who i haven't, or if you can give me a good reasoning for it then we can talk. Like do you think i have a circle of trust that is all mafia? That's like.. being mafia, just that i told the thread who is mafia. rofl man.

On January 29 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also BC you have absolutely zero reasons to not trust me. And if you have you have not done very good job to figure out my alignment. So why is that? Why don't you want to figure out of the alignment of your mayor competitor and the guy who is most likely to lead a scumteam if he is mafia?

On January 29 2014 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My main problem with you is BC, that you lynched a dude who made you mayor, and who was on irc at the time we discussed BH.

If Storr was mafia he would have 100% voted for me JUST TO NOT DIE. And you can't understnad this simple fact, and i don't think you are that stupid. He was your top #2 scumread, he saw thrawn convinced you to not lynch BH. WHY WOULD HE NOT VOTE FOR ME???

Also, you are still refusing to contribute towards QP, and did so on D1. kush pointed out a contradiction on your read on QP. Your reasons for reading QP "not mafia or what the fuck is that" are fishy, they are not related to QP. You read him in some light because of me and Storr.. What the hell is that? That's dodging to give a read on someone.

On January 29 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote:
Vote: bloodyc0bbler
this scum made me a BG.
BC IS SO VERY MAFIA!!!

On January 29 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay.

I don't think that was wise BC, your BG choises i mean. That was in fact realy dumb considering you don't even seem to think i am mafia.

##unvote
##Vote: bumatlarge

On January 31 2014 01:34 kushm4sta wrote:
It's far from a sure thing I think.
Mocsta is a sure thing.

On January 31 2014 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:
I took a hit and was saved last night. Woot.

On February 01 2014 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol BH, read my post. kush didn't even trust BC.. he thought BC WAS FAKECLAIMING VIGI!!

On February 03 2014 10:54 Grackaroni wrote:
i could absolutely give reasons for Bum being town if I wanted to, but they would just be falling on deaf ears anyway so I'm not going to waste my time. And fyi the last game I was in I said that Koshi was scum and all of a sudden a movement showed up to lynch me. Now I say that Mocsta is scum and that Bum is town and I'm afraid the past is bound to repeat itself.

On February 03 2014 11:37 Grackaroni wrote:
Which is actually Mocsta's reason for town reading me earlier. Which is hilarious. Also I'm mad hatter. Peace.

On February 03 2014 12:17 Grackaroni wrote:

Why that's on a need to know basis.

On February 05 2014 07:56 Mocsta wrote:
I am not scum and neither is thrawn.

Lynch bum at all costs.

Further LSB msg above infers that BG should not receive a role block. Ryan speculated about blue roles and the only plausible explanation I can think if was that he tried to set up a trap. It back fired.

Seriously. Why as scum would *I* Rb a BG and not shoot the mayor when you call Rb yaself as scum. And icon in the cake is to then claim the Rb yaself to be put into this situation.

Easy. I wouldn't. Its stupid. Pointless and doesn't fit towards meeting scum objectives.

I repeat. I am not scum and neither is thrawn.

Lynch bum at all costs.

On February 05 2014 08:15 Mocsta wrote:
If I was scum and felt the need to make a big play, then at the least I would clear up any ambiguities with the host before implementing the plan.

Again. Why Rb Ryan and shoot skanjab?
Why claim that Rb when I Ryan could have.

What you mentioned is one explanation for skanjab death. There are others that are plausible perhaps even more so. Met. He could have been shot to make bum look good.

This game is on the brink. Bum needs to be pushed
Have you forgotten my logs with him.
Have you forgotten how he tried to get me lynched day1 by whispering to you.
He's hammered what 4 Ppl with no justification

How do you even ignore this.I'm town. Thrawn is tien.
Bum is scum

On February 05 2014 08:40 Mocsta wrote:
Its plausible if kush told Ryan he was medic that he told others.

Working off a medic snipe, scum would have Rb kush instead of me.... This alone should make me town.

Who has read me scum that flipped.
Only kush who was a game changing medic.
Skanjab was a portal to kush.
And Ryan called me town last night changing his mind after hammered for no reason what so ever. He clearly stopped caring about this game.

Nothing has lined up.
You are choosing specific explanations to suit what you want to believe when other explanations exist

Fact is, I have been mislynchable all game in no small part due to bum. Its not a surprise I have been kept alive. That you at here to push me, clearly explains why skanjab was shot over you.

Aside from this bullshit Ryan Rb claim there was no reason to doubt me. And there is still none.

On February 05 2014 10:18 Mocsta wrote:

Of course I can see it.

However factually if you think I am scum I have a buddy.

Lynching me loses the game whether you want to accept it or not.

If you indeed think its not above Ryan to fake claim and thus think i an scum... The correct play is to lynch my buddy

I'm not sure if BC has led a lynch in scum this game. He's leading another mislynch. Scum have zero reason to shoot him

Again. Why Rb rayn and not shoot BC... Its stupid. Think this through guys...

On February 08 2014 15:29 bumatlarge wrote:
I also slipped in te "coag sucks" QT, I should not have known mocsta got RBd. Luckily BC never read it, and grack wasn't in a position to verify it. Mocsta blew this game open for me. I doubt we would have come so close without him. We made a few major mistakes. The kush/BH night was an error, we thought We could shoot through kush prot, or mocsta did I didn't ask questions. The Roleblock claim obviously cost us, we didn't think Rayn would get a note. I probably should have shot slam roleblocked thrawn. I didn't know thrawn and oats were in such contact.

Also, lylo you can't really base reads off what they say that cycle. Mafia will mimic a town fairly well. It's much easier to catch them earlier. I thought what I said when you said was pretty much what I would have said if I was town. PMs were kind of misused I think. Mocsta benefitted greatly off them, and I felt if I had been present earlier I could have done more.

Where were Slams bombs?!