On January 29 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't just fucking quote a post and say "wrong". Show us all how it's wrong. Because the Coag thing at least is really accurate. I have even talked about it with Coag on teamspeak before the Extractor trick game.

Rayn sorry for all the mean stuff i said to you,. I just wanted you to read me scum for some reason lol.

Anyway, i think the meta reads are wrong, but it does not matter that they are wrong. Town is wrong all the time.
What matters is that mocsta is basing his reads off incredibly thin meta. That grack thing is meta from ONE game, and something like that does not make a good scumtell.

Town mocsta would base his reads off more than some shitty meta from 1 game that is thin as fuck.

For his read of coag he has that argument that says why pro might be town. Then on the other side he has some meta which I KNOW isn't true because ive played a shit ton of games with coag, and it's the only reason on the scumside, yet it outweighs the logic he uses for the coag!town argument.
Look i even used your retarded ! notation. You have to agree with me.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 29 2014 12:09 GMT

#1506

Mocsta's reliance on shit meta for his reads

On January 29 2014 15:34 Mocsta wrote:
In my opinion. Grack as scum follows thread sentiment very well.

E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum

This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment.

E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum.

This segues into.
U listed oats

Can u flesh this out in more detail pls.

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Coagulation

Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con:
We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association:
His first mayor vote was on Bum.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 29 2014 12:11 GMT

#1507

if you look at Coag in PYP, he troll posts as scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 29 2014 12:14 GMT

#1508

Isn't that exactly what Mocsta is saying?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 29 2014 12:15 GMT

#1509

No actually it's not..

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 29 2014 12:15 GMT

#1510

mocsta is saying he trolls as town and does nothing as scum.
he's doing nothing this game so therefore he's scum.

But he trolled in PYP and he was scum, so that heuristic is invalidated.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 29 2014 12:16 GMT

#1511

Yeah that's true.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 29 2014 12:18 GMT

#1512

I promise you kush, if Mocsta is mafia in this game you are always allowed to call yourself top-Mocsta reader and i will always trust you on your read on him.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 29 2014 12:25 GMT

#1513

So Skanjabs, have you been in contact with anyone of the following people:

bumatlarge
Coag
Oats
Balla

??

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 29 2014 12:25 GMT

#1514

that's confidential information, rayn

Skanjab1s

748 Posts

January 29 2014 12:32 GMT

#1515

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:

Lower Priority Reads
Skanjabs
I would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more.
I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place.

This is his only reasoning for me being his 3rd highest scumread. It's that I said I think coag is scum. Coag, who is his second highest scumread (Also for terrible reasoning, as kush has pointed out). This logic does not make sense from a town perspective, and is incredibly weak.

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Oats
I dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action.

You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players?

For Oats, he gives this pile of ass. "You have done some very townie things, but then you did this one thing that I don't see town doing" A completely null read. The thing that he gives Oats a townread for isn't even a town-tell. Scum and town can both be emotionally invested in the game, and Oats as scum HAS been emotionally invested in the past.

He ends this off with an incredibly easy to answer question, which would serve to remove his "suspicion" from Oats.
I can definitely see these two as a scumteam. But I'll save the connection stuff for after Mocsta flips.

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:

Balla24
I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me.
Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us.

Can you please update me with your read on Oats.
Also, what do you make of the VE kill?

-Says his activity seems to have dropped, just as bum's has.
For bum, he thinks that "after an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game" and that this "makes a lot of sense as scum."
But for Balla, this very same thing is a null-tell, because other people think he is town?
This does not make logical sense unless he is fabricating reasoning for Bum being scum.

Skanjab1s

748 Posts

January 29 2014 12:33 GMT

#1516

I'm afraid I cannot answer that question rayn, I am bound by evil laws.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 29 2014 12:33 GMT

#1517

Oats has literally said i am scum and town.. in the same sentence. I don't know if you think that kinda flip-flopping on a read is scummy. I think it is.

What do you think?