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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 29 2014 10:40 GMT
#1461
Also look at these things. Weird or not?

From bum's post about Balla that you just quoted:
That was a big assumption, but I could be wrong.

"so this is not really scummy, just explain it"

And from his post before:
On January 26 2014 16:01 bumatlarge wrote:
mr bungle sits on a throne of lies.

I have a scum read on balla for now. And bungle knows it lol

What the hell is the bolded part? Someone knows he has a scumread on Balla. Oh shit, that's really bad. Why?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 10:57 GMT
#1462
rayn it can't be scum on scum because they would have had to fabricate a pm conversation very quickly then discuss its logic immediately in the thread. It is very unlikely.
Why hasn't bum discussed X?
Bum's activity has been so little that ofc he's not going to get to discuss everyone.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 29 2014 10:58 GMT
#1463
Have you seen the PM's?
Do they look townie from any side?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 29 2014 11:04 GMT
#1464
Here is a tip for you. When someone makes a read in thread, especially a scumread, that is based purely on PM's, you go ahead and ask them to show the proof of that. That's why i scumread BC in the first place. He had a shitton of reads that were "bcz of PM's.. this dood scum". You know how fishy that is when you can't confirm yourself if the read is even genuine in the first place, or if he is misreading something or not.

Don't use PM's if you don't know how to use PM's. I said it in the first game and i say it again.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:08 GMT
#1465
bum's activity pattern looks pretty similar nmm ep 1.
I haven't seen the PMs but im sure they exist because they wouldn't be able to discuss the logic of the pms on such a high level if they didn't exist.

Keep in mind the context, which is hard for you because you weren't in game at the time.
Bum put forth a plan where everyone vote for mayor early. He pmed some people, me, balla, not sure who else,about how he was doing the plan because he wanted everyone to vote for mayor so he could analyze those votes.
Bum said he was really into analyzing votes atm.
Then Bum comes into the thread calling balla scummy because of logical leaps. Balla explains that what he said is not so much a logical leap as it is pointing out a flaw in bum's plan, the assumption of connections before someone has been flipped.
Anyway it's just impossible that they are both scum. I think scum balla could easily shit on bum's plan in this way though.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 11:09 GMT
#1466
Well its been 12hrs since lynch and I am really surprised by the quanity of no shows from the shit list.
{Bum, Balla, Skanjab} - Nothing
Slam been around, so has Oats

Seriously, I thought the hours directly after the lynch were compatible with Americanos for posting (i.e. 8pm - 12pm) ish.

hhmmmm
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:10 GMT
#1467
mocsta do you agree bum and balla can't be scum together because of that early interaction?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 11:10 GMT
#1468
On January 29 2014 20:08 kushm4sta wrote:
bum's activity pattern looks pretty similar nmm ep 1.
I haven't seen the PMs but im sure they exist because they wouldn't be able to discuss the logic of the pms on such a high level if they didn't exist.

Keep in mind the context, which is hard for you because you weren't in game at the time.
Bum put forth a plan where everyone vote for mayor early. He pmed some people, me, balla, not sure who else,about how he was doing the plan because he wanted everyone to vote for mayor so he could analyze those votes.
Bum said he was really into analyzing votes atm.
Then Bum comes into the thread calling balla scummy because of logical leaps. Balla explains that what he said is not so much a logical leap as it is pointing out a flaw in bum's plan, the assumption of connections before someone has been flipped.
Anyway it's just impossible that they are both scum. I think scum balla could easily shit on bum's plan in this way though.

I assume this is a mental slip and you meant "Low"

Otherwise the argument is already debunked.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:11 GMT
#1469
how is the argument debunked?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 11:15 GMT
#1470
On January 29 2014 20:11 kushm4sta wrote:
how is the argument debunked?

high level means its discussed briefly
thus, its completely plausible there was never a genuine conversation taken place.

low level infers analysis was performed, greatly increasing the odds that genuine conversation took place.

ultimately this is the core of the argument.
That the conversation between balla/bum is genuine.

Instead of dicking around with Rayn about who is right or wrong.
I think the best solution is to ask for the PM proof (if it is required) to then reassess the read.

From my perspective, we can't lynch 3 people in 1 cycle. And i dont want to bog the main scumspect with 1million questions either.


kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:17 GMT
#1471
there's no way they are having that discussion about a pm conversation that didn't exist.
Here is what Bum pmed me. He probably pmed the same thing or something similar to balla.

Original Message From bumatlarge:
the point is to get people voting, i don't actually think people running quickly is going to solve anything, but I want to see where votes go. I'm in a vote analysis kind of mentality right now, and I think I can get a solid person to lynch if there are alot of votes.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:18 GMT
#1472
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 11:21 GMT
#1473
On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote:
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there.

disagreeing with your opinion does not make someone scummy.

what i stated is accordance with my previous post.

There has been too much bickering/tunneling over information not getting updated simply because people required for questioning are not present.

The bitching between you/rayn above is an example of the above.
Does it matter if balla OR bum cant be scum together?

No, because we can only lynch one and both have questions to answer.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 11:23 GMT
#1474
On January 29 2014 20:17 kushm4sta wrote:
there's no way they are having that discussion about a pm conversation that didn't exist.
Here is what Bum pmed me. He probably pmed the same thing or something similar to balla.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From bumatlarge:
the point is to get people voting, i don't actually think people running quickly is going to solve anything, but I want to see where votes go. I'm in a vote analysis kind of mentality right now, and I think I can get a solid person to lynch if there are alot of votes.

Kush.
Rayn + BC both had 8 votes.

That was almost a majority and what I would strongly consider to me "alot of votes".

Did Bum come to you in PMs with this analysis?; because i dont recall it being injected into the thread.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:24 GMT
#1475
On January 29 2014 20:15 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 20:11 kushm4sta wrote:
how is the argument debunked?

high level means its discussed briefly
thus, its completely plausible there was never a genuine conversation taken place.

low level infers analysis was performed, greatly increasing the odds that genuine conversation took place.

ultimately this is the core of the argument.
That the conversation between balla/bum is genuine.

Instead of dicking around with Rayn about who is right or wrong.
I think the best solution is to ask for the PM proof (if it is required) to then reassess the read.

From my perspective, we can't lynch 3 people in 1 cycle. And i dont want to bog the main scumspect with 1million questions either.



what are you even talking about here...
it wasn't super high level. It was high enough level that they couldn't have been talking about something that wasn't there. Bum has a really natural suspicion stemming from a misunderstanding of what balla is saying. Balla problem with the plan is actually a pretty generic "dont use connection theories" response worded fancily.

Besides the question is not if there is or isn't a pm convo, because there definitely is. Scum dont discuss pm convos that aren't there. The question is if the pm convo was faked and they attacked each other that early as scum on scum. I think it is highly unlikely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 29 2014 11:27 GMT
#1476
On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote:
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there.

Where do you actually stand with your read on Mocsta?
You have changed your read at least 4 times from "totally scum" to "totally town" and vice versa in ~5 hours.
So what is it and why?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:27 GMT
#1477
On January 29 2014 20:23 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 20:17 kushm4sta wrote:
there's no way they are having that discussion about a pm conversation that didn't exist.
Here is what Bum pmed me. He probably pmed the same thing or something similar to balla.

Original Message From bumatlarge:
the point is to get people voting, i don't actually think people running quickly is going to solve anything, but I want to see where votes go. I'm in a vote analysis kind of mentality right now, and I think I can get a solid person to lynch if there are alot of votes.

Kush.
Rayn + BC both had 8 votes.

That was almost a majority and what I would strongly consider to me "alot of votes".

Did Bum come to you in PMs with this analysis?; because i dont recall it being injected into the thread.


bum's plan was a very early thing, not really related to eod mayor race. He was really inactive by then.

And this anti connection does matter since both are top lynch candidates atm. I am trying to figure out the scumteam with rayn, so go away scum.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 11:28 GMT
#1478
u want me to go away from the public thread so then u can call me scum for being afk

lol
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:28 GMT
#1479
On January 29 2014 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote:
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there.

Where do you actually stand with your read on Mocsta?
You have changed your read at least 4 times from "totally scum" to "totally town" and vice versa in ~5 hours.
So what is it and why?

i said "nah he's town" once
then i read his newest big closer and i said nvm he's scum

WHY TEH FUCK ARE YOU LYING RAYN OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGM MUST BE SCUM. I DID NOT CHANGE MY READ 4 TIMES I ONLY CHANGED IT TWICE> WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU A FUCKING LIAR YOU MUST BE SCUM1!?>!?!!!!!
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 11:29 GMT
#1480
On January 29 2014 20:28 Mocsta wrote:
u want me to go away from the public thread so then u can call me scum for being afk

lol


u being afk has nothing to do with my read on you.
my read on you comes from your scumreads being shit and based on terrible reasons.
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