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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 13:57 GMT
#1541
On January 29 2014 22:50 Skanjab1s wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Lower Priority Reads
Skanjabs
I would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more.
I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place.
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
This is his only reasoning for me being his 3rd highest scumread. It's that I said I think coag is scum. Coag, who is his second highest scumread (Also for terrible reasoning, as kush has pointed out). This logic does not make sense from a town perspective, and is incredibly weak.
Explain why it doesnt make sense from a town perspective, and moreso why it is weak.

I have a specific reason why Coag came into my mind. You instead randomly conjure him as a scumread -- one that I think is accurate as well. In my quote I actually argue your sentence actually applies to yourself.

It's very obvious why this is weak. And it does not make sense from a town perspective because you say right here that you are suspicious of me because I started considering coag scum. not because I didn't give reasoning.
It makes no sense for a townie to be suspicious of someone ONLY because they think the same person is scum, that's not logical.

On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Oats
I dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action.

You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players?
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On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
For Oats, he gives this pile of ass. "You have done some very townie things, but then you did this one thing that I don't see town doing" A completely null read. The thing that he gives Oats a townread for isn't even a town-tell. Scum and town can both be emotionally invested in the game, and Oats as scum HAS been emotionally invested in the past.

He ends this off with an incredibly easy to answer question, which would serve to remove his "suspicion" from Oats.
I can definitely see these two as a scumteam. But I'll save the connection stuff for after Mocsta flips.

I dont give a shit how Oats plays on OMGUS. He has a commonly accepted specific meta tell to his scum play and that is emotional investment. Again refer to PyP LoL, a game where Coag, oats and myself were all scum. oats was lynched BECAUSE of emotional investment.


Wait what? This is a direct contradiction to what you just said before.
You just said that "Some things that Oats have done you consider quite townie (I.e. emotionally invested in the game)
And now you are saying that his emotional investment is a SCUMTELL?
You've slipped, dear, the cracks are starting to show, you're contradicting yourself.

On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote:

The most interesting thing I see here is the bolded, specifically: the scum team according to you is Coag, myself and now Oatsmaster.

Please outline why Oatsmaster is scum as this is the first I have heard of it from you.

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On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Balla24
I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me.
Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us.

Can you please update me with your read on Oats.
Also, what do you make of the VE kill?
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On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
-Says his activity seems to have dropped, just as bum's has.
For bum, he thinks that "after an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game" and that this "makes a lot of sense as scum."
But for Balla, this very same thing is a null-tell, because other people think he is town?
This does not make logical sense unless he is fabricating reasoning for Bum being scum.


How are Bum and Balla following similar paths in this game. You are cherry picking phrases to mix apples and oranges.

If you need it paraphrased: I state that I can't get an updated read on Balla because hes ignoring me.
If this continues into Day2 I will find it scummy he is avoiding me.

Bum's activity level has dropped, according to you.
Balla's activity level has dropped, according to you.
I'm mixing apples with apples and you're trying to convince me that I'm wrong on my fruit.
On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote:

The icing on the cake:
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On January 29 2014 21:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
The Coag thing isn't accurate at all

Explain. An easy statement backed up by nothing.

It is up to the person making the claim to provide evidence.
You lied about Coag's meta. Now when I call you out on the lie (which is very obvious, because I (and kush) have played many more games with Coag than you have, and we both agree that your meta point is wrong) you tell me to provide evidence? (1) That's silly, and thats not how claims work. (2) Kush has already provided this evidence for you.

Baby seals pls.
I was going to retort but I couldnt stop laughing at:
Wait what? This is a direct contradiction to what you just said before.
You just said that "Some things that Oats have done you consider quite townie (I.e. emotionally invested in the game)
And now you are saying that his emotional investment is a SCUMTELL?
You've slipped, dear, the cracks are starting to show, you're contradicting yourself.


If you can not comprehend the intent of what I wrote, its not even worth continuing this discussion.

Other than... Coags meta. (I am in the middle of a post about that) but lets play a game anyways.
Pretend I lied about Coags meta.
Again why is that scummy. Meta is subjective by nature.
Am i voting Coag?
Am i asking the thread to vote for Coag?
Explain to me, what I am doing that is promoting a scum agenda...
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 29 2014 13:59 GMT
#1542
calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:00 GMT
#1543
On January 29 2014 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda.

So everyone that wanted QP lynched is scum.. or just promoting a scum agenda.

because if its #1 or #2.. why am I being cherry picked Oats.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 29 2014 14:01 GMT
#1544
Okay, so now Mocsta just makes an excuse to not defend himself because he knows he can't.

GG Scum caught, champagne for everyone
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#1545
On January 29 2014 23:00 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda.

So everyone that wanted QP lynched is scum.. or just promoting a scum agenda.

because if its #1 or #2.. why am I being cherry picked Oats.

Is it not true?
This isnt about other people at all. Its an objective statement. React to it properly.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:08 GMT
#1546
On January 29 2014 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 23:00 Mocsta wrote:
On January 29 2014 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda.

So everyone that wanted QP lynched is scum.. or just promoting a scum agenda.

because if its #1 or #2.. why am I being cherry picked Oats.

Is it not true?
This isnt about other people at all. Its an objective statement. React to it properly.

No its not true. Its a completely stupid statement.

The point of the game is for town to lynch scum.

Part of that process is for people to call each other scum and figure out who is bullshit and who is genuine.

How does that promote a scum agenda?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:08 GMT
#1547
On January 29 2014 23:01 Skanjab1s wrote:
Okay, so now Mocsta just makes an excuse to not defend himself because he knows he can't.

GG Scum caught, champagne for everyone

Sounds to me, you are making the excuse to not answer my question.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 29 2014 14:12 GMT
#1548
On January 29 2014 23:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 29 2014 23:00 Mocsta wrote:
On January 29 2014 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda.

So everyone that wanted QP lynched is scum.. or just promoting a scum agenda.

because if its #1 or #2.. why am I being cherry picked Oats.

Is it not true?
This isnt about other people at all. Its an objective statement. React to it properly.

No its not true. Its a completely stupid statement.

The point of the game is for town to lynch scum.

Part of that process is for people to call each other scum and figure out who is bullshit and who is genuine.

How does that promote a scum agenda?

because scum wins when townies get lynched.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:15 GMT
#1549
Small meta report on Coag.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 29 2014 22:34 kushm4sta wrote:
dude there is a fuck ton of trolling before the nuke
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Coagulation

Big calls

Game Started:
On November 30 2013 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ban/Draft Phase

But I believe he replaced in so I think started Dec 2.

On December 10 2013 12:03 Mid or Feed wrote:
Coagulation, as Impact, playing Ziggs, has been lynched!


Coagulations last post within game time is his 2nd last post on PAGE 2 of his filter.

In total, 38 posts over 9 days. So just over 4 posts per day average.

Post per day
Dec 2 - 1
Dec 3 - 1
Dec 4 - 2
Dec 5 - 5
Dec 6 - 0
Dec 7 - 8
Dec 8 - 13
Dec 9 - 2
Dec 10 - 6

Examples of posts he makes:
On December 07 2013 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
lol
On December 07 2013 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
bite me

Occasionally if someone refers to him in the thread, he will make a troll post back in retaliation.

Overall, his entire filter is devoid of enforcing any progress on the game at any point in time.
Otherwise what I refer to as "doing nothing" or others may refer to as an extremely low activity level.
At least as town he has a higher standard of base activity or what i refer to as "trolling"


So how did other players in the game judge Coag?

Im disappointed to say my memory served me wrong.
I spent a long time lokoing through the filters of most of the players in the game ctrl+F

and pretty much only found this:
On December 04 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah he replaced another unreadable troll. Lucky us.

On December 04 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
BM.. i see.

Coag barely posts as town. Does he post as scum on OMGUS?
On December 04 2013 12:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On average he posts around 10000% more on OMGUS games than TL games. He doesn't care about looking dumb over there, where he does here...I think is what it boils down to.


Thats when I realised my concept of Coag meta was formed on voice mafia from all of us talking about Coag.
Us referring to RAyn, DP, VE etc
So there you go, I have no proof in the forum.

I can safely say though that the gist was
As town, Coag has minimum # of posts he makes to show he is reading the thread etc
As scum, he struggles to post and does the absolute minimum which yes, is less than his town play.

Anyways, for comparison to Kush i checked 1 town Coag game
"The Game" was his last town game according to the database and finished DAY 3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057&user=Coagulation&view=all

A Clearly different filter. Full of actual "paragraphs" and hit 5 pages....

Case closed and move on.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:16 GMT
#1550
On January 29 2014 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 23:08 Mocsta wrote:
On January 29 2014 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 29 2014 23:00 Mocsta wrote:
On January 29 2014 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda.

So everyone that wanted QP lynched is scum.. or just promoting a scum agenda.

because if its #1 or #2.. why am I being cherry picked Oats.

Is it not true?
This isnt about other people at all. Its an objective statement. React to it properly.

No its not true. Its a completely stupid statement.

The point of the game is for town to lynch scum.

Part of that process is for people to call each other scum and figure out who is bullshit and who is genuine.

How does that promote a scum agenda?

because scum wins when townies get lynched.

If you seriously want to continue this line of discussion, PM me.


Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 29 2014 14:19 GMT
#1551
dude Im calling out your bullshit in the thread, I dont want to pm you, that defeats the purpose.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:22 GMT
#1552
On January 29 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
dude Im calling out your bullshit in the thread, I dont want to pm you, that defeats the purpose.

You are talking about mafia theory. Its not a game specific question.

Seriously.. matters of opinino on mafia theory do not make a player scum. Its personal preference regardless of alignment.

Like i said, take it to PMs if you want to continue. Thats the last I will say on this in teh thread.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 29 2014 14:24 GMT
#1553
how the fuck is trying to lynch a townie not pushing a scum agenda?
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 14:26 GMT
#1554
Are you trying to play to your town meta by making stupid retarded arguments?
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 14:29 GMT
#1555
can you just write your fuckign coag case instead of this alignment neutral spamfest with oats?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 29 2014 14:43 GMT
#1556
On January 29 2014 23:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 23:01 Skanjab1s wrote:
Okay, so now Mocsta just makes an excuse to not defend himself because he knows he can't.

GG Scum caught, champagne for everyone

Sounds to me, you are making the excuse to not answer my question.


Your questions have been answered, stop deflecting.

And your meta thing on coag is wrong, sorry.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 15:07 GMT
#1557
Oh because bitch says yes

the answer is yes i see

Im town yo and my meta is right.

See skanjab, my argument is not fallacious.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 29 2014 15:08 GMT
#1558
I just read part of oats filter. He has some very towny ideas I think. I can quote them later.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 29 2014 15:21 GMT
#1559
On January 30 2014 00:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I just read part of oats filter. He has some very towny ideas I think. I can quote them later.

\o/

Coag plays how he feels like Mocsta. Meta doesnt really work on him. Anyway, you really think he is scummier than Bum/Balla?
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 29 2014 15:31 GMT
#1560
On January 30 2014 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 00:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I just read part of oats filter. He has some very towny ideas I think. I can quote them later.

\o/

Coag plays how he feels like Mocsta. Meta doesnt really work on him. Anyway, you really think he is scummier than Bum/Balla?

bum is my sole priority

there is one other who shall remain unnamed but i need to talk to bc first.
i've been waiting up for him, but its looking like our paths wont cross

hopefully when i wake up at least bum (or balla, others) have chimed in.
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