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kushm4sta
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Skanjab1s
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On January 29 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you want to troll the shit out of a game do it in the OMGUS.net and don't bring it here please. Yeah just completely ignore the case i posted. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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Mocsta
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i was about to destroy kush on LoL PyP quotes but first I will address you effort. brb | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Lower Priority Reads Skanjabs I would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote: Explain why it doesnt make sense from a town perspective, and moreso why it is weak.This is his only reasoning for me being his 3rd highest scumread. It's that I said I think coag is scum. Coag, who is his second highest scumread (Also for terrible reasoning, as kush has pointed out). This logic does not make sense from a town perspective, and is incredibly weak. I have a specific reason why Coag came into my mind. You instead randomly conjure him as a scumread -- one that I think is accurate as well. In my quote I actually argue your sentence actually applies to yourself. On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Oats I dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote: For Oats, he gives this pile of ass. "You have done some very townie things, but then you did this one thing that I don't see town doing" A completely null read. The thing that he gives Oats a townread for isn't even a town-tell. Scum and town can both be emotionally invested in the game, and Oats as scum HAS been emotionally invested in the past. He ends this off with an incredibly easy to answer question, which would serve to remove his "suspicion" from Oats. I can definitely see these two as a scumteam. But I'll save the connection stuff for after Mocsta flips. I dont give a shit how Oats plays on OMGUS. He has a commonly accepted specific meta tell to his scum play and that is emotional investment. Again refer to PyP LoL, a game where Coag, oats and myself were all scum. oats was lynched BECAUSE of emotional investment. The most interesting thing I see here is the bolded, specifically: the scum team according to you is Coag, myself and now Oatsmaster. Please outline why Oatsmaster is scum as this is the first I have heard of it from you. On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Balla24 I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote: How are Bum and Balla following similar paths in this game. You are cherry picking phrases to mix apples and oranges.-Says his activity seems to have dropped, just as bum's has. For bum, he thinks that "after an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game" and that this "makes a lot of sense as scum." But for Balla, this very same thing is a null-tell, because other people think he is town? This does not make logical sense unless he is fabricating reasoning for Bum being scum. If you need it paraphrased: I state that I can't get an updated read on Balla because hes ignoring me. If this continues into Day2 I will find it scummy he is avoiding me. The icing on the cake: On January 29 2014 21:04 Skanjab1s wrote: The Coag thing isn't accurate at all Explain. An easy statement backed up by nothing. Because again, all the points above read as a smear campaign. No thought, no effort, no substance. | ||
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Mocsta
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kushm4sta
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in LOL PYP oats was lynched because of some shit koshi invented. He was the last scum left alive. Also Coag trolled quite a bit in that game and he was scum. So i don't see how your coag read makes any sense. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 29 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote: @mocsta in LOL PYP oats was lynched because of some shit koshi invented. He was the last scum left alive. Also Coag trolled quite a bit in that game and he was scum. So i don't see how your coag read makes any sense. Coag did not troll until he launched a nuke. I had to ask the fucking hosts not ONLY for what hero he chose.. but what fucking night action he submitted COS HE ZIPPED HIS MOUTH THE WHOLE FUCKING TIEM. dont you fucking tell me who scum coag plays on TL. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Yeah I dont like that case Mocsta. Why are you attacking someone for having the same scumread as you? 2nd point is irrelevant to your's or skanjab's alignment. Bum activity levels are relatively similar too, only that burst of action after the lynch separates them. The Coag thing is a non-issue. | ||
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Mocsta
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But the item was given to him sepcifically because of emotinoal investment. You are reading the end destiatnion, and forgetting the journey. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Coagulation | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 29 2014 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I think I conceded. Game was depressing. Yeah I dont like that case Mocsta. 1 - Why are you attacking someone for having the same scumread as you? 2 - 2nd point is irrelevant to your's or skanjab's alignment. 3 - Bum activity levels are relatively similar too, only that burst of action after the lynch separates them. 4 - The Coag thing is a non-issue. 1. Because I dont want people to agree with me. I want to know how they got their. Skanjab cannot answer that. Anyone can bus or +1 an argument. If there was any credit given to Skanjab it is because he raised Coag in the thread before I did (I think). Without substantiation, there is no credit though. 2. It is irrelevant for him to outline why he is now stating you are scum? Are you serious? 3. So Balla made a big deal about my IRC smurfing. Balla has gone out of his way to be vague in discussions and not contribute anything in reads? Balla has made a catch up post that is actually not even up to date with the thread; and then hasnt returned? Cos i dont know any similarity Oats. 4. See #2. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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1. Skanjab is now defending coag I think. Im not sure. 2. Its irrelevant for either of your alignments at this point of time. Im not sure why you think that its scummy. | ||
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kushm4sta
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That is all town can expect to do in regards to coag! he is unreadable as fuck. That seems way townier than what mocsta is doing, which is justify his scumread with weak, untrue meta. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Skanjab1s
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On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: Explain why it doesnt make sense from a town perspective, and moreso why it is weak. I have a specific reason why Coag came into my mind. You instead randomly conjure him as a scumread -- one that I think is accurate as well. In my quote I actually argue your sentence actually applies to yourself. It's very obvious why this is weak. And it does not make sense from a town perspective because you say right here that you are suspicious of me because I started considering coag scum. not because I didn't give reasoning. It makes no sense for a townie to be suspicious of someone ONLY because they think the same person is scum, that's not logical. On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: I dont give a shit how Oats plays on OMGUS. He has a commonly accepted specific meta tell to his scum play and that is emotional investment. Again refer to PyP LoL, a game where Coag, oats and myself were all scum. oats was lynched BECAUSE of emotional investment. Wait what? This is a direct contradiction to what you just said before. You just said that "Some things that Oats have done you consider quite townie (I.e. emotionally invested in the game) And now you are saying that his emotional investment is a SCUMTELL? You've slipped, dear, the cracks are starting to show, you're contradicting yourself. On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: The most interesting thing I see here is the bolded, specifically: the scum team according to you is Coag, myself and now Oatsmaster. Please outline why Oatsmaster is scum as this is the first I have heard of it from you. How are Bum and Balla following similar paths in this game. You are cherry picking phrases to mix apples and oranges. If you need it paraphrased: I state that I can't get an updated read on Balla because hes ignoring me. If this continues into Day2 I will find it scummy he is avoiding me. Bum's activity level has dropped, according to you. Balla's activity level has dropped, according to you. I'm mixing apples with apples and you're trying to convince me that I'm wrong on my fruit. On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: The icing on the cake: Explain. An easy statement backed up by nothing. It is up to the person making the claim to provide evidence. You lied about Coag's meta. Now when I call you out on the lie (which is very obvious, because I (and kush) have played many more games with Coag than you have, and we both agree that your meta point is wrong) you tell me to provide evidence? (1) That's silly, and thats not how claims work. (2) Kush has already provided this evidence for you. Baby seals pls. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 29 2014 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Activity =/= content. 1. Skanjab is now defending coag I think. Im not sure. 2. Its irrelevant for either of your alignments at this point of time. Im not sure why you think that its scummy. Im pretty sure Skanjab is calling You, me + Coag a scum team. 2. When did I say its scummy. I found something I wanted him to detail more on? I dont get why you think its acceptable for someone to come in and make a blanket statement with no justification. Activity may not equate to zero content but zero accountability may equates to scum. | ||
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Skanjab1s
748 Posts
On January 29 2014 22:44 kushm4sta wrote: imo skanjab isn't defending coag. he is recognizing coag as an unreadable problem who he has indescribable scumfeels for. That is all town can expect to do in regards to coag! he is unreadable as fuck. That seems way townier than what mocsta is doing, which is justify his scumread with weak, untrue meta. Pretty much this, exactly. | ||
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