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On January 27 2014 10:27 Mig wrote:
Calling people cows is so great, nobody really gets mad at being called a cow. It has a great mix of being able to tell someone they are being dumb while not being totally serious about it.
As a member of the bovine race,
I find being called "a cow" extremly offensive.
Shame on you cow. Shame on you.
<3
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Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.
This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.
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On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.
This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.
Games like that are basically unwinnable as town (ie WC2) and I can understand why Rayn sometimes has to play the way he does. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much that can be done about it sometimes and you gotta just keep pushing through.
I have a dream that one day policy will push through and become the norm if people want to do that sort of thing.
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Like on N3 i asked Oats to make a case, for about 10 times. All he had to say was "no you make a case on me" and "no because it's night, i'll make one on D4". I don't even know if he did it on D4 but i bet he didn't and there was no reason to delay it unless he didn't really have a case..
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On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.
This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.
Games like that are basically unwinnable as town (ie WC2) and I can understand why Rayn sometimes has to play the way he does. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much that can be done about it sometimes and you gotta just keep pushing through.
I have a dream that one day policy will push through and become the norm if people want to do that sort of thing.
On January 27 2014 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2014 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Troof Rayn I wrote this in the obs QT: I'm actually shocked at how many people are 'making bets' as to how right their own reads are this game.
This is terrible townplay imo---way too much tunnel going on, not enough consideration of all options.
Rayn (I know it's not only you this game) when you read this, consider being a little less forceful/arrogant next time around. When it works and your reads are spot on even then it only sometimes works, a lot of the time you're really just messing with a productive town atmosphere and it becomes even worse when your reads are bad, which is this case in this game. I <3 you and all, but I feel like this would have been one of those games where at least for me, it would been hell to play with you. I know. I played bad. I lynched 2 townies and accused 2/3 last townies the night i died. I can't help the fact that i think people who refuse to play should be lynched. I will always do everything to push lynches on those people, always. I don't get the fact that people join games and refuse to play. Like kush straight out lied on D1, he just lied. In the last game i had JUST proved him wrong on what he said, he was mafia, and i had a scumread on him for it. Why would he do that again? Like intentionally talk shit out of his ass? That's just dumb. There is a reason i never have such a problem with people like you, marv, Mig etc.. They play the game, regardless of their alignment, and not just post something without thinking at all.
You know you and I are on the same page for all of this.  Just gotta try to keep yourself in check sometimes; lately I've seen a lot of townies essentially bullied out the game.
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On January 27 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.
This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town. Games like that are basically unwinnable as town (ie WC2) and I can understand why Rayn sometimes has to play the way he does. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much that can be done about it sometimes and you gotta just keep pushing through. I have a dream that one day policy will push through and become the norm if people want to do that sort of thing.
I policy lynch a shitton. I just do it after i see who are playing and who are not. I don't like policy lynching at the game start based on "this dude will not help anyways", i think that's dumb.
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On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.
This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.
But hiding behind a vet claim and doing nothing besides wanting to lynch town with no reasoning is much better, right?
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On January 27 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:You know you and I are on the same page for all of this. Just gotta try to keep yourself in check sometimes; lately I've seen a lot of townies essentially bullied out the game.
The only dude who i have ever "bullied" out of the game is Toad in this game. And it was purely because his argument was so bad i didn't think it could come from a townie. I asked him to reread, and at the start i was not even being an ass, i was aggressive. I only became an ass when he refused to understand a simple fact that between the point where i called Oats my #1 scumread and him my #2 scumread and where i made a case on him there happened things that i pointed out which i believed made him more likely to be mafia than Oats.
And even then, after he claimed, i tried to be reasonable and figure out if his claim was true or not but he just quit the game. Because of what? Because a guy he thought is mafia was accusing him of being mafia. That's so incredibly stupid.
Yes, i was an ass and i apologize for it, but still.. meh..
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Not bad for night 1 
Grackaroni
01-19-2014
06:01 PM ET (US)
"I Haven't kept up with the thread. writing out my reads for the end game credz if I'm close. But i'm pretty biased from how day1 ended. I still think there's no absolutely no way that was a genuine reaction from Koshi. He thinks that I'm mafia and I convinced town to turn on him and lynch him in the last hour day1. Town Koshi would have flipped out.
Mig (scum?)wanted to hear my reasons for Koshi and then when some people agreed with them he started discrediting me more than really addressing what I wrote. Which is unlike Rayn (town) who came right out and said it was bullshit which is pretty fearless when there was a real possibility of Koshi dying.
Sn0 Man (scum?) spent the entire day saying town needed to get rid of me because I won't contribute. When town wanted to lynch Hopeless he caved and voted Hopeless. If I remember correctly when town wanted to lynch Koshi he wouldn't because Koshi wasn't one of his 2 lynch choices, which makes no sense because he never really had a scum read on me.
Vayne is a good guess too. He seems really slippery this game lol."
-Too bad I switched to Hopeless by the end because he completely quit playing after day1.
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On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.
This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.
lol but I didn't afk. I literally left you guys a last will giving you 1 mafia and 5 townies to work with. You guys just decided to lynch me anyways for being useless because I trolled at the start of the game?
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Yes, I was quite happy when we lynched you :D
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1-0 lifetime scum record I can retire in peace
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Rayn, I think you need to distinguish between people who dont play how you want them to play and scum. If you look at your cases and pushes and stuff, the koshi one was the only one where you really went into his actual actions and specifically his vote. For Grack and Toad, you were like "Dont like the way they play, pls lynch". It really hurts town when you play like that because you close yourself off to other alternatives. People play differently.
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On January 27 2014 09:56 marvellosity wrote:
Too many townies playing "no u" or just generally confusingly.
+2
I felt rayn was particularly mean this game and it turned me off on reading it a little bit; ever as a non-player =[
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I don't think any townie in this game should blame any others before himself.
Except maybe thrawn. thrawn, you're allowed.
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I dont remember what happened in this game
i think i accidently set the stage for the grack lynch, got in a huge fight with oats,,, some lynch happened and i dont remmeber who it was or their alignment,,,, and then I got nightkilled and was so happy
hmm my vayne read was good at least, i wish I knew why I was scumreading koshi and I especialy wish I knew why I changed my mind
-edit- wow i am dumb,,,, I answered my own question there about who got lynched D1
rayn i hope this post conveys how terrible my memory can be
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Now that I fullfilled my life long dream to post baby seals as scum I am ok with rolling town 24/7.
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On January 27 2014 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Now that I fullfilled my life long dream to post baby seals as scum I am ok with rolling town 24/7.
best scum claim ever imo
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