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I may regret this, but the invitation PM was too funny | ||
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Better say that now than after getting the role PM, I guess | ||
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On May 20 2014 06:28 ShiaoPi wrote: Role PMs will go out soon (Valve Time), will announce it again as all talking should also stop by then until game start | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:01 Steveling wrote: MY GUARDIAN BALLS ARE HEAVY! Based on this, Steveling is scum. | ||
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I doubt there are 4 scum factions though. There's probably at least one neutral faction of some kind. | ||
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By "we", do you mean the thread or your scum faction? | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote: Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions? I referred to every possible scum faction back there. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum. That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote: Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense? For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:37 Tehpoofter wrote: Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy. Of course there will be scum on almost any wagon. It's just that connection speculation (bussing, speed of wagons forming, etc.) are a bit less reliable than they usually are. It should be more useful to focus on individual scumminess for now. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:46 Steveling wrote: The town that does that are not helping anyway. This view is a bit cruel. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote: I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now.[/QUOTE] What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:57 marvellosity wrote: I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:03 marvellosity wrote: Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^ Specify "bollocks". Nobody else seems to agree with that definition of my posts (at least I don't think so). I've seen you start the game with a half-assed vote several times as scum. When you've been town, you're usually even overly passive/cautious to begin with. That's what I don't like here. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote: I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise. How can you ensure that everyone votes according to RNG? | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:10 marvellosity wrote: Find me someone who will vouch for your series of posts on voting patterns and crap deciding the Day 1 lynch actually being useful, and maybe we can talk again. Toddle along now ^_^ MZ and Tehpoofter I think mentioned that they liked what I said on the topic. Not that it was something über-useful, but definitely not "bollocks". Lol | ||
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On February 14 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote: Truly this does not sound like the same gentleman excited to enter this establishment; the excitement is gone. What happened at the door, I wonder? ##Vote: gonzaw Here's the first vote by town-marv in Les Mafia: On May 18 2013 03:37 marvellosity wrote: Explain the difference then. I'm bored of how you're posting. ##Vote: BlazingHand All in all, it seems like this opening is more nullish than scummy by marv. marv, a question: When we last played together (town&town in the PYP game), and I played somewhat anti-town and scummy in the beginning, you hesitated to vote for me even though rayn was pushing for me to be lynched. Why this change of heart? | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes? I actually laughed out loud at this post. GJ BH | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) It's just that your stance is opposite to your stance in the last game (where you were town). I did some suspicious stuff ("picked" my numbers right away, didn't contribute in any meaningful way and went AFK) yet you still felt very hesitant to vote for me. Now just BAM! I say something that you can't immediately see making sense, vote away. (Not to mention that this seems to be your habit as scum - voting quickly on weak reasons - but apparently you've also done it as town so not sure what to make of it) About Steveling: indeed, he's somewhat likely town based on his weird push (that he seems to believe in himself too). Dunno about HF yet. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. Game solved :D:D:D | ||
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Hapa: yeah, Valenius doesn't look too good. More of a gutread than anything concrete at this point. jampidampi doesn't look too good either. All of his posts are basically (filler) questions with no conclusions. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: jampidampi | ||
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On May 21 2014 11:34 geript wrote: Marv I don't think would cockblock on a null read like this if he were town. More likely he'd ignore me and let me develop it. Not a 100% on that but his push on Xat early was for pretty awful reasoning. Like if Marv were town and has that "it's enough for now" line, he'd be far more willing to entertain a good outside lynch. Plus, he has done nothing to make me think he's either town or scum, which means he cares about how he comes across which is far more likely to be mafia Marv. I think geript is very likely town and this post is a good example. It's weird that marv would vote me for little to no reason (claiming it's "good enough" lol) and then defend Slam like this. marv: how is this post by geript terrible? (To be clear: marv probably isn't a good D1 lynch, since as scum he's forced to maintain some level of activity and leave behind clues about his scummates - and if he's town he's obviously too valuable to lose to a lynch - but I'd say I'm not getting any townie feeling from marv yet and so I'm slightly leaning scum) | ||
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It'd be weird to have such an obvious connection though | ||
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How is that line "totally baseless"? Are you often viewed as suspicious early on in your towngames btw? | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote: Careful now, you're voting for a lynch I said I'd support! Probably a mislynch. Haha. You said this: "So as it stands I guess I'd support this lynch." That's not really bussing, just barely semi-bussing if you're both scum. | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:20 Koshi wrote: marv is coolio. I don't see anything scummy about his posts. Could he do more? Yes. Should he do more? No. Why not? Why would he? Exactly. Xatalos. Do you think I should do more scumhunting and making smart and good posts or am I cool for now? Tbh I've kind of given up on trying to read you, Koshi. Twice now I have townread you and you were scum in both games. I'll probably just sheep someone I find town+credible on if you're town/scum. | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:26 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, you have a serious lack of imagination and verve Sorry marv. I've activated my serious mode. Victory is all that matters. | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:10 Xatalos wrote: The reason why I reiterated on the topic was because people kept asking me to reiterate...? >.> And it's not like there was anything hugely more useful to talk about at that point. How is that line "totally baseless"? Are you often viewed as suspicious early on in your towngames btw? Could you still answer to this post though? | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:51 marvellosity wrote: he admitted he was a smurf? are you even reading? when do newbies smurf? I'm not speaking to you anymore, Xatalos, because you've basically shown that you're not capable of reading the thread and digesting it in any way. Ok >.> That was kind of out of place though considering that I had just read through your posts on brsjskfjdskjsd after initially forgetting the point of your accusation (which tbh wasn't all that great). | ||
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On May 21 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote: wow Xatalos. Pls ignore everything I say. Not sure what you're specifically referring to, but sorry I guess. You're just kind of under my radar considering that I fail at reading you. | ||
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"If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted." It's a bit of a weird thing. Is it even a scumslip? Hard to say. Probably not. Still something that bothers me a bit. | ||
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On May 21 2014 21:57 Tehpoofter wrote: @Marv can you explain a bit more about what you think on Thrawn? I have a hard time reading his normally small fitler. @Everyone Can we agree to call the scummy smurf BKQ (the first three letters of his vomit of a name) just for consitancy. @Koshi what is your read on Ceph/bunnies involving the case he had on her earlier? @Xat you said his points were directed at scum hunting. Can you look at his first post here + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote: Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph. He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave. What's up Marv, steve, MZ? + Show Spoiler + Marv and Koshi both saying I'm town/sheep worthy. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 19:15 marvellosity wrote: I'm tempted to just sheep this guy until I'm more sure Hapa is town. Poofter most certainly is not "classical" mafia this game and all his reads look pretty sensible. And I'll let him off with my name because he's clearly just trolling me, which is mildly acceptable in this case. On May 21 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: I think Poofter is the towniest town in this game. 4 page filter. Natural conversation. Pushing things forward. Jokes. 4 page filter Also this: It is everything good combined. Good reads because I don't bluntly disagree with any of them. Jokes. Pro town stuff. Cav on the other hand. He is so tense this game. And his read on Steve is so boring. He entered the thread too assertive. Then he was angry at Cephiro. Ten meta townreaded Holyflare because another game he did the same. Then he tunneled Steve, but it might have started with asking thread permission. Hm. That first post was somewhat weak, yeah. He did follow up on it (although only reactively) a lot later on though: On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote: I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask. What I liked about his filter were posts like these (taking stances and analyzing the game): On May 21 2014 17:24 bkqyrldp wrote: This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on. Now that I think about it, that's the only post I really like from him. | ||
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On May 21 2014 22:33 Koshi wrote: acceptable start. Oh, your vote is still one me. Any particular reason? | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Xat: Just look at his filter. He's town. I'm happy that you feel this way, but this isn't very specific. How exactly am I obvtown? | ||
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On May 22 2014 02:53 sqrtofneg1 wrote: These are great indicators: Definitely town. He's legitimately trying to figure out this game. Kk, thanks for the clarification. | ||
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mtamburini: Very vague/conditional and unimpactful (while being direct earlier as town). jampidampi: His posts are mostly filler questions/comments and his only real "conclusion" is a plain listpost without any reasoning. | ||
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On May 22 2014 03:30 geript wrote: How in the fuck is BH not a good lynch? How in the fuck is BH being active make him in any way make him not a good lynch? How in the fuck do you consider BH active? How in the fuck is BH a player who firmly believes in his ability to catch scum who has wasted 24 hours spewing bullshit about an RNG lynch not scummy? Activity -> easier to read on the long run and more likely to help with connection speculation. His filter is mostly spam so far, yeah. I've just seen him as similarly useless (as town) before. And there are better lynches. | ||
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On May 22 2014 03:33 geript wrote: His filter as mafia is quite often useless spam. Explain more Xat. He was pretty useless and spammy here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=Blazinghand (In the end he even got himself and two other players modkilled lol) | ||
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On May 22 2014 03:36 Blazinghand wrote: I get what you're saying here, but it goes a little farther than that. Scum would definitely be more "on it" about what role they claimed, but this is a bit more subtle. See, Geript said "let's lynch all the blue claims, starting with BH". As scum fakeclaiming blue, this is something you could easily forget/overlook, because you subconsciously do not categorize yourself as a blue, see? But a real blue would in fact subconsciously selfcategorize as blue. This all of course is scumslip heuristics, which are historically terrible for actually lynching scum. I'd be fine to watch Geript die just because his death would bring me pleasure, but let's give him a day anyways. If he's actually a town vigi we should give him a chance to shoot his gun. Well, I don't really think this counts as a reason to lynch someone In the first place I don't think he even seriously claimed Vig earlier. | ||
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Apparently mtamburini is still missing, but I've been rethinking about him. Actually his reads aren't that vague when you look more closely. He even has clear opinions on a lot of stuff. Posts like these look good for him: On May 21 2014 12:58 mtamburini wrote: From the way many people have told me to read HF, hes prob town he seems disappointed and not having fun. I hear he enjoys being mafia 100x more than he is town. Then there's his earlier post with the vague/hesitant reads: On May 21 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote: I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning. Hf I wanna know if hes having fun yet and thinks hes going to be the best or not the best this game. Geript I am not convinced 100% he is town but maybe a non threatening faction to town. Never played forum with him but I know in video he lurks a lot more, but he claims he has a gun so I can see the eagerness to get shit done now. If steve is the guy going against HF he is in my bad boy list and would lynch today. I need to read marvs filter before I can give an opinion. Why do you no agree with MZ, what have you seen differently through your eyes? BKQ? Not sure if that is a short form will look in filter. Velanius was the person who made the heart post right? I agree that was weird, if hes not that person that person is also weird. Layabout would also be on the table for me that strikethrough bs vote on BH was like why the hell would u ever even post something like that. If that wasnt in my giant post it should be that was weird as fuck. On second thoughts, it reads more like a stream of consciousness type post than a filler/fake post. He has a pretty clear townread on geript and suspects layabout (and Steveling I guess). Most importantly it feels like he's just posting whatever comes to his mind and doesn't "force" the reads. It also looks like the post was made pretty quickly and I think scum would be more careful with manufacturing their reads. I at least always double-check what I'm posting as scum. Not sure if that's the case with him, but I feel like it's overall towny to express your thoughts more freely. All in all, I don't think mtamburini is a good lynch after all. I'd much prefer if we lynched jampidampi. jampidampi has a decent amount of posts, but they're pretty much all filler questions/comments without any real conclusions OR agreeing with thread sentiment on the easiest possible (mis)lynch targets. His "case" on mtamburini is just that "he hasn't said anything that hasn't already been said". I don't think that's even true (did anyone else mention HF enjoying playing as scum more for example?) and in any case it's a very weak/lazy reason to cast your vote. Especially since the tone of his vote post is like the vote would be final or at least "good enough": On May 22 2014 22:36 jampidampi wrote: Well if you had only read the thread up to Marvs vote on you when you posted the first post, I can definetely see you getting angry over people hopping onto you or saying they would look into you more. Hmm... That actually makes me think you're town based on how you seemed to still be angry in your ritoky case. Which seems like an emotional backlash, but it has good points in it. Could lynch him, but I think I'd rather see tamburinis head roll. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini In addition he has a ton of posts where he says "could lynch player X" without providing much, if any, reasoning. It looks like his primary goal in the game is growing his filter with meaningless posts or growing the list of players he could throw a vote on. He's most likely scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: jampidampi | ||
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On May 22 2014 23:19 Holyflare wrote: Xatalos what do you make of tamburini playing video mafia and purposefully afking? Didn't someone say that he didn't participate in this latest video mafia and that he'll be participating in the next one? Dunno. I don't think being AFK is inherently scummy. I also came to check the thread last night before going to sleep and saw that there were like 15+ new pages so I just went to sleep instead :D | ||
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On May 22 2014 23:50 Holyflare wrote: There's like 5 games of video mafia a night dude. He's the main lynch choice and he hasn't said a word since pressure started building. So he's been playing video mafia during his AFK period..? I still don't think that makes him scum. Could be just otherwise too busy while just having the time to play some video mafia. I guess it makes him more likely scum though. | ||
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On May 22 2014 23:55 bkqyrldp wrote: So it doesn't concern at all how easily this lynch is going? Usually you have been very vary of lack of resistance. If he is mafia, do you think his teammates have been yelling at him to post more and he has just chosen to ignore the requests? There *is* the fact that this isn't a normal game. Multiple factions means that lack of resistance is less of a factor than normally. | ||
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On May 22 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote: yes, I rather think Xatalos, if you had a bunch of votes on you, you'd have been rather more inclined to post something than go straight to bed, no? ^^ Haha, yep. | ||
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On May 23 2014 00:01 jampidampi wrote: You do know that your case on me mostly shows your lack reading comprehension? I guess you refer to the fact that I misread your "case" on mtamburini. It's not an anyhow major part of why I think you're scum, and it carries the same point of you just following thread sentiment anyway. How is that "mostly"? | ||
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On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote: Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch! Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. | ||
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On May 23 2014 00:51 jampidampi wrote: You still don't get it? Others have already shown how I played early, so I'll just quote one of them: Showing how I come to conclusions. Thus there are no filler questions without conclusions. If you refering to my entrance to the thread, then I wonder how you missed my conclusion that you were scum. Do I need to go on? You seriously read me as scum? >.> Even now? Surely it's not based on those early troll posts...? Hm, actually there's a bit more content in your filter than I noticed earlier. You even did come to conclusions based on some of your questions. There are some meaningless questions in between, but I can see some of them being more town-aligned. | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote: Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) I don't think your lynch is set yet at all. Just try to read the thread and share your thoughts. It'll be good for us even if you end up being lynched. | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:35 jampidampi wrote: No, I don't currently think you're scum, but the case certainly didn't help with that. Though it was a semi-serious read, you have displayed some decent thoughts, like trying to figure Marv out. Hm. Ok. | ||
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On May 22 2014 21:57 Yell0w wrote: I don't think that makes him scum, I think there was a clear progression in his filter from the case his bad, to the case is good after more points where made, to voting for tamburini. I think Yell0w is probably town for this post. | ||
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Now that I think about it, maybe he's just a bad scum player. | ||
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I also kind of agree that Valenius's readpost is similar to mtamburini's readpost in the sense that it's a stream of consciousness post that doesn't come to many conclusions, but seems reasonably genuine anyway. Maybe we shouldn't lynch him yet. | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy. It's crazy, I know :O | ||
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On May 23 2014 05:35 Blazinghand wrote: You can't honestly believe you can actually find like, more than 2 people willing to lynch me, do you? I'm motherfuckin Blazinghand, the best player on TL Mafia, Claimer Extraordinary and Intelligent, He Who Doesn't Always Make Cases, But When He Does He Doesn't, The Catcher of the Three, The RNG Lyncher of Odin. Can you mess with those titles? I think we both know you can't mess. Back down. It's over. It's always been over. A guy like you can't touch a guy like me. :D | ||
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On May 23 2014 06:46 Steveling wrote: Xatalos's vote history What he thought about Odin literally 4 mins before vote switching, I checked the times. And after 2mins His very next post is him trying to confirm his own bias, which himself admitted was crazy 1minute after claiming he stopped using logic, he asks what's Odin's scum play. Right. I understand voting on rng for the fun of it but this is 100% scummy posting. He confirms once again how silly this is Why did you ask that scummy question about Odin's scum meta then? ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ Since when, 7 mins ago you said it's crazy. His last post of worth is this 2 hours before the lynch, he refers to burini who disappeared. Not sure if he thought it was weird or just trying to post a shitty excuse about not voting him and voting Odin instead. I have to point out that I didn't mean the lynch itself was crazy, just that there were some crazy people behind it. Those posts you quoted also don't tell the whole story about my end of day reads. I originally wanted to lynch Valenius (mainly for his apathetic attitude to scumhunting), but Odin's play was so disconnected from his reads (and overall apathetic) that I thought he might be slightly more likely scum. I still somehow want to believe in mtamburini, I don't even think scum would antagonize the thread like that when close to being lynched. I really hope he steps up his play though. Otherwise he may just have to be shot or something. | ||
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On May 23 2014 07:06 Blazinghand wrote: if by some miracle i'm alive? so you expect me to get shot by scum, yet you also want to lynch me? HAHA | ||
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On May 23 2014 07:25 Steveling wrote: That's all nice and cute but you didn't say anything of the sort at the time. So I can only take your post as an excuse. Or you can just look at my filter. ---> This is where the "crazy people" thing came from. On May 23 2014 03:01 Xatalos wrote: I can lynch Odin. I also kind of agree that Valenius's readpost is similar to mtamburini's readpost in the sense that it's a stream of consciousness post that doesn't come to many conclusions, but seems reasonably genuine anyway. Maybe we shouldn't lynch him yet. --> This is where I switch my opinion to lynching Odin instead. | ||
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On May 23 2014 18:52 marvellosity wrote: A bit of both. Which means I'm pretty obviously not mafia because I don't enjoy myself enough as mafia to mess around. I can't give a convincing argument that I'm not another faction though (am not, superhomopinkyswear promise). This is kind of funny since I had a thought about marv belonging to a neutral(?) 3rd party faction earlier, while going to sleep. I think he doesn't tryhard enough to be scum (he's supposed to be quite a bit more serious as scum), but there's something that bothers me deeply about him this game. I just can't see him as town either. Unlike two previous games where I could clearly tell that he was town. He didn't really care about yesterday's lynch either. Conclusion: probably belongs to some (the?) neutral faction. I wish I knew what their win condition was. Benign? Neutral? Anti-town? That'd make some decisions a lot easier. | ||
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If you consider that a case, I don't know what to say :D | ||
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On May 24 2014 02:52 Steveling wrote: Judging by your standards boting on Odin I would say this is a quality case of you. Think what you will. To be clear, that was a joke. It's weird that I have to say it out loud. | ||
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(To be clear: I don't have any strong read on you, but I think you're more likely town based on your constant activity and being engaged with the thread.) | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:05 Steveling wrote: That's you trying to seem like you contribute or you soft claim? xD | ||
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1) You gain credibility. 2) You eliminate enemy players/KP. What's not to like? Overall it was between Odin/mtamburini at the end at it would have been kind of pointless to keep your vote on Valenius. | ||
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Valenius, kush and jampidampi could be good lynch candidates. Valenius for general apathy and disinterest in scumhunting. kush for casually lurking and not having much of an active role in the game. I was mistaken about some of jampidampi's filter earlier, but he's still not doing much and appears weirdly forced/angry whenever he posts. Not a good sign. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote: Xat, do you put zero faith in the power of the toilet read? Haha I don't really think that's much of a tell. I mean, I have read the thread in toilet as scum before. | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:52 Valenius wrote: Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour. Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit. Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all. Hmmm.... I must admit that there's something to the "toilet read". This comment feels somehow genuine. Dunno. | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:11 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm, sounds like factions could possibly be allied/rivals of other factions based on this description from the wiki. So it would be like this? Town Scum Mercury Jupiter Mars or something | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote: Koshi died? That is unbelievably annoying You're also Mercury I guess? | ||
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If it's like that, then some of the other factions may be hostile towards each others, some may be neutral, allied etc... | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:42 Blazinghand wrote: I think ShiaoPi would rather go for a like 2+2+2+2 setup, right? so that would be 8 scum vs 24 town. if scum have 4 kp, worst case scenario for town is D1: 24-2-2-2-2, mislynch, 4 shots D2: 19-2-2-2-2 mislynch, 4 shots D3: 14-2-2-2-2 LYLO? since presumably you'd need to lynch both scum to stop a scumteam's kp. Of course, there will be scum shooting at each other etc also happening which will help, but I think I could see the setup with 4x2 scum being balanced That seems plausible. It also means that it would be best if we got rid of the remaining Mercury (or Mercuries) to reduce KP? | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:45 Cavalinho wrote: Mercury is water. Venus is earth. Mars is fire. Jupiter is wind. Koshi's faction didn't kill anyone, so it was likely that the hit was blocked, either by medics, veterans, or other opposing roleblockers. The Venus faction killed Koshi. Mars killed bk. Jupiter killed Meapak. There was no flavor concerning if the adepts/town killed anyone. Either we don't have vigs, they got roleblocked, or they didn't shoot for whatever reason. Doesn't matter now, because scum already knows if they roleblocked the right people or not. So why did those kills make sense to scum? Hmm... Could it be that the Mercury faction is neutral and doesn't have KP? (since Koshi's name was black instead of red) Or maybe their KP went to Steveling. | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:51 Steveling wrote: I don't like how BH was the first to clearly speak about the setting after all these kills happened. Seems like he's one of them djinnis. But then why did he claimed isaac? But then why is scummy slam sheeping him? It all rests in the isaac role and I'm willing to take the risk of unveiling a good town role too early than him being scum surviving until late game abusing his semi-claim. If BH is still alive at LYLO and hasn't produced something good with his role, I think it's safe to lynch him. It'd be stupid to force him to fully roleclaim right now. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:27 Steveling wrote: That's crazy. If it's true I'm pretty sure that someone can use you as a bullet to kp someone else. Scumeling, can you explain this? | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:46 kushm4sta wrote: wat there is recruitment this game also??? are you fucking kidding me. scumhunting is 100% useless so good luck with that It's a totally useless message that actually even pushes scum agenda. Is this something that a townie would say? | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:47 mtamburini wrote: Just trying to understand the conversations that are going on right now, not sure what to make of it. Have not caught up yet but working on it. I plan to be caught up sometime tomorrow evening around the 24 hours mark I need to go to sleep in a couple hours I have work early tomorrow morning. With this being only an allignemnt flip game Im having trouble taking into consideration why certain people die over others (IE softing roles for example) All I can base the town kills off of are the scum thought they were the most towny people playing or if a town role decided to shoot them because they thought they were scummy. As far as I know no one has claimed any shots just yet so Im going to assume Scum have a Kp of 3 so there might be only one non town aligned factioned that is non threatening. With regards to the koshi death the same logic applies with the town people dying, did another faction think they were acting really town and shot him or did a town PR shoot him thinking he was scummy. Its hard to me do decipher information by the way the posts are being written, it seems like someone is writing up minutes to a meeting of what each person said. Its feel like were all conversing at a round table and there is bickering back and forth between parties. Almost like video mafia except I cant get any body reads of facial reactions from anyone. You should make catching up and forming reads your top priority. It's not very constructive to read the latest pages and just make vague comments. | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:57 mtamburini wrote: I appreciate the help and advice you are giving me, unfortunately the last time I remember getting spoonfed like this I ended up in the pocket of scum I can assure you I'm not scum. Now gogo read stuff | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote: This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him. As I indirectly said above, what you said is indicative of his mafia play, not his town play. I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that. However this is something to be garnered from how many reads he gives and thoughts about the players in the game. Let me demonstrate this by example. In our game I gathered all the posts where he directly says "I think person X is town/mafia". There's a total of two posts (maybe 3 if I missed one). + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote: like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town Now I went to his filter in his town game, Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 here and did the same thing. Keep in mind this game only last two days. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote: Feels thrawn's town. wiley is town i think rayn is town i think VE is town balla is scummy for being a scumhunter extraordinaire yet doing nothing On January 20 2014 22:45 kushm4sta wrote: i think bum is town On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote: godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. we know at lylo when all the claims claim. We will probably know before then because that's just what usually happens. fine i agree to disagree with you VE. Still have you as town. On January 21 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote: bum is scum and he is implying that you, VE, are wrong, and therefore town. I'm not even half-way through his filter at this point... For comparison, here's a game where he's mafia. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote: and fuck no are you obv town. i have seen you push scum teammates like that d1. LIQUID CITY On February 24 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote: koshi probalby scum also. all game all he does is tunnel me (major lynchbait), easy to make a "case" against now he is speechless "Cool Foolishness, you know how to data mine, but what does it mean?" Let me tell you what it means. When Kush is town, he is very open about giving his reads in his posts. He directly tells the town "this person is town here's why, this person is mafia here's why". Of course these come in the form of one-liners so the reasons aren't substantial (which is okay). This shows a town mindset, he's trying to figure out the game and he's not afraid to speak his mind which are both strong town characteristics. However these sorts of posts are absent when he's mafia. Why? He doesn't feel the need to tell the town who is town and who is mafia because he already knows. That's what is happening this game and what happens in the games he's mafia. I checked two of his other games (one town, one mafia) and they both align in this matter. Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. ##Vote: Kushm4sta I think kush has a pretty decent chance to flip scum here. I like this post and it's most likely correct. kush was just more open and contributive as town. Let's get the wagon going! | ||
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On May 22 2014 21:57 Yell0w wrote: I don't think that makes him scum, I think there was a clear progression in his filter from the case his bad, to the case is good after more points where made, to voting for tamburini. | ||
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BH Alakaslam Steveling geript Holyflare Hapa Foolishness Kita | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:09 jampidampi wrote: You should all feel bad about not lynching tamburini. Just look at how reliefed he is about not getting lynched while proceeding to do nothing helpful. If a vig doesn't flip him I'll be pushing for his lynch D2. | ||
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On May 25 2014 00:50 Yell0w wrote: ##Vote: BlueyD Done. That was fast. | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:09 austinmcc wrote: Given that the other hydra was town and seemed to believe he should be trusted, as well as the bit from elderly peruvian man about how one head was likely sand (and iirc, some analysis of a specific wording that pointed towards americas or maybe sand in brazil), do you think that in a 5 faction game, a Foolishness hydra and a Sandroba hydra both go townside for balance? I think the roles are given out randomly and not based on player skill? | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:25 austinmcc wrote: Normally there's some consideration for balance. I would not expect a possible Sandroba, Foolishness, and the elderly heterosexual peruvian to be of one faction. I think a little less strongly that both hydras wouldn't be one alignment. Town hydras strong, town hydras with strong players super strong. The only issue with this game is the closed setup, so it would be possible that things are balanced around town having strong PLAYERS. But the game would have to be designed BEFORE it was posted, so you wouldn't know who would sign up or hydra, and I don't think you'd balance in light of that. You'd already be set. There was that PYP game about half a year ago though where all the experienced players were town and the scumteam just lurked to their death. Dunno. I think it's usually random. | ||
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I'm not sure if you're correct here, austin. I read it as Foolishness saying that kush doesn't really care too much generally, but in this game he *does* care (enough to complain about stuff) yet he spends his energy on something as unproductive while he could do something useful instead. | ||
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I either bus, semi-bus or at least distance myself with everyone in my team. So if you think I'm "connected" with Foolishness, you're totally wrong. There's no way I could be scum with him.And I still don't think that Foolishness's case is bad/scummy. But I'll let him defend himself, I can't be completely sure what he was thinking on that specific point. | ||
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On May 25 2014 05:14 marvellosity wrote: this guy. this guy is mafia or he sucks severely. kush's efforts put this guy to shame. And when that's the case you know something's not right. ROFL. That's seriously so bad as either town or scum. He would be the optimal Vig target IMO. Too bad I don't have a gun. | ||
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On May 25 2014 07:25 Blazinghand wrote: technically RNG is policy BTW Now you finally convinced me that RNG is a good method for lynching. | ||
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1) You were in Koshi's faction? 2) Did you "recruit" anyone yet? 3) What does "recruiting" actually do? Does the target become non-town? 4) What's the specific flavor on "recruiting" someone? Is it something like "being controlled by a Djinn"? 5) If so, I have reason to believe that this state of being controlled is temporary. That's why I have difficulty believing that it works like you said. If you make your target share your QT and stuff, won't he just reveal everything if he goes back to normal? 6) Do you have KP? 7) If so, who did you shoot last night? | ||
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On May 25 2014 19:55 layabout wrote: I refuse to work on the assumption that there are multiple recruiting factions Ritoky sounds like a rolechecker. I don't understand the timing of his claim nor the fact that he doesn't appear to understand the mechanics of his role. Rito pls, can you clarify? We need to decide if we are banking on winning with 3p which seems dumb or just killing slam/bh/austin. Also, congratulations to anybody aligned to the adepts with a non-vanilla role that hasn't claimed halfway into day 2. My role isn't all that important, I think. I doubt the scum faction would kill me. Perhaps austin's faction, but eh, I think austin has to work with town for now. I refuse to believe that BH/Slam are scum/3P together and decided to go with the brilliant idea of linking each other as the same alignment... | ||
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And the fact that you claim the KP being gone once you die....... It's kind of hard not to lynch you Although a part of me really wants to let you live, since I mostly believe your claim.Btw I think the most eager ones to lynch austin probably belong to the faction that's hostile towards Mars. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:08 Steveling wrote: Yes I was recruited and am now blindly defending him because that's smart. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:03 marvellosity wrote: why on earth would we not kill austin? he singlehandedly can take out 2 townies per night. Indeed that's what he did last night. He's as dangerous as all the other factions put together probably. Plus after he talked about how amusing he finds the thought of lynching me, he obviously has to swing. The difference is, though, that (apparently) austin's faction can with with town and needs to reach endgame with one of the other factions dead. So it's at least a somewhat pro-town faction. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:21 Steveling wrote: Or to put it in perspective, austin *could* purge 1 scum's role and kill another. It's like magic init? But you won't see djinni marv saying anything about that. marv = Mercury It is known | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:23 austinmcc wrote: Well I recruit. Permanently. I don't think you can unrecruit (see stuff about QTs). Therefore, you're either lying about something OR you're involved in something else As far as I know, if you're town I would recruit you, you'd lose your powers but gain better ones, you'd become cooler, you'd get to hang out in a cool QT, be nice and warm, etc. etc. Notice how all those are positive. If you're mafia, I would burn all yo powers off, because my powers are awesome and I've decided they're better than whatever scum powers you would have. Which is to say I don't think I become a vanilla me. Well, the wording is about this: "You can remove an attached Djinn and restore it to your control." Does that help? | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:32 jampidampi wrote: Wait, if the djinni is returned to be under your control, doesn't that mean you controlled it orginally? I think it means that I remove a Djinn from a player and that player returns to our control (Adepts of Weyard instead of Mercury/Mars/etc.). | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:36 Steveling wrote: Don't think it's possible to swap factions 2nd time. Like, what, someone goes town-djinni-town and then he's like "yo guys, I was just talking to them lot in the djinni qt, they are x-z and y", lol. ROFL yeah, that's what I've been wondering about... | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:34 austinmcc wrote: It makes me think you're town and that you shouldn't have revealed this I have some thoughts but I don't want to reveal them because I don't think it would be helpful. Yes. Each djinn is a specific power, I choose what to try and assign to someone. As far as what power? I dunno, how 'bout the power of flight? That do anything for ya? That's levitation, homes. Please share those thoughts. If you do, I'll do everything in my power to save you. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:42 Steveling wrote: Marv and HF earth djinnis. ? | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:52 Steveling wrote: Hmmm, do you think people will kill you? My stuff don't protect from recruitment I think. The way austin worded that seemed like scum would be rushing to kill me. At least you can say that you'll protect me so that they'll think twice. And I don't think I'll be recruited if I'm such a high priority kill target. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:01 austinmcc wrote: MARS FACTION BEST FACTION. MERCURY FACTION WORST FACTION. So you admit that Mercury is your enemy >.> | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:03 Holyflare wrote: Xatalos implying i shouldn't be saved. Steveling implying I'm earth djin. This game is lol. You're the hero this town deserves, but I'm the hero it needs right now. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:14 austinmcc wrote: I wish I'd recruited YOU :D:D | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:22 Steveling wrote: Um, I think I'll waste all my stuff on me you and hf. A good idea might be to go to random.org and protect one of us. That way it's less likely that one of us is killed. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:24 Steveling wrote: Why not protect all of us? Oh, you can protect multiple people at the same time? That's nice. | ||
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I laughed IRL when I read these two posts :D | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:32 marvellosity wrote: lollycopters By WE, I guess he refers to his faction | ||
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The promised land for scum and 3P. | ||
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Now that I think about it a bit more.... | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:54 Holyflare wrote: Assuming i survive the night :p Dw Scumeling will protect you from harm | ||
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bkqyrldp, aligned with the Adepts was charred to a crisp! Meapak_Ziphh, aligned with the Adepts was electrocuted So... Mars = fire (killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?) Mercury = ? Venus = ? Jupiter = ? | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote: So geript shoot the shit out of thrawn plz +1 | ||
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Mars = fire (austinmcc down, 1 player converted during N1? - killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?) Mercury = water (Koshi down, 1 left? - didn't kill anyone last night - no KP / protected / roleblocked?) Venus = earth (2 left? - killed Koshi last night) Jupiter = lightning (2 left? - killed MZ last night) | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: Finally caught up on reading!!! Wooooo Okay... So should there be much night discussion? Im kinda confused on the recruitment stuff... So austin said only he had kp right, not the person he recruited? Yeah, and we'll see if that's true in about 24h (if there's no fire death). If you have something crucial to say, you should leave it until the last hour (when night actions are locked). If it's nothing game-breaking, you can talk freely. | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:09 Holyflare wrote: I started on sc2 mafia. Roflstomped every game. I once won like 6 games in a row. It's a bit dependent on luck too though. Usually there's like Mafia, SK, Arsonist etc. A ton of power roles. The night actions have a huge impact on the game. | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:21 Cavalinho wrote: The night actions are the game. I don't think I've ever been in a game where it came down to outarguing someone, especially since days only last 2 minutes or so. I've seen some games like that. 90% of the time town just relies on power roles though :/ (if most of the players don't talk at all for example) | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote: Well when i played i was ranked and everyone let me do my saved setup which was mostly vanilla Oh ok. That's a different type of game then. | ||
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On May 26 2014 10:25 thrawn2112 wrote: I've returned. I've journeyed twice unto the abyss, both ventures being a success. I've glimpsed many endgames, and only a few to my liking. The path to victory lies through [redacted]'s battered corpse! He was not there. I saw a vision. A vision, of mine own endgame. Many were there... were they my foes? My allies? I could not say. All I knew was that I was victorious, and [redacted] was nowhere to be seen. THEREFORE, the heretic [redacted] must be purged from this game! All you who seek to win, direct your malice upon the heretic [redacted]! I post this now as a tribute to those who whose blood floweth green! This is either a blue claim (redcheck or something like that?) or a plot to survive for a little longer. Maybe geript should shoot someone else just in case. | ||
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On May 27 2014 03:27 Holyflare wrote: I have rng'd, interesting result! It's super effective! | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:12 marvellosity wrote: I've done that with players too. Mostly everyone actually. You mean like everyone not in your faction? | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:36 marvellosity wrote: as in, tehpoofter, I'm not randomly calling you gay >.> | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:41 marvellosity wrote: totes gay. I hope you don't post anything more and die tonight :D | ||
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It'd just be a funny last message for you. | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:43 Cavalinho wrote: This just in: Xatalos is confirmed gay. I was found out | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:46 Holyflare wrote: Rng'd myself as check thanks bh! If i die kill steve, if geript hasn't shot and claims rb kill geript because no way he gets rb'd over me ........................... | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:55 Holyflare wrote: .... I just put my faith in the rng. | ||
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Mars = fire (austinmcc down, 1 player converted during N1, 1 player converted during N2? - killed blfsjfkfsjfs N1, no kill N2 - random KP, now gone?) Mercury = water (Koshi down, 1 left? - didn't kill anyone N1 or N2 - no KP probably?) Venus = earth (2 left? - killed Koshi N1, killed marv N2) Jupiter = lightning (2 left? - killed MZ N1, killed ritoky N2) | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:11 Valenius wrote: He had pokemon that he attached to people, which was how he recruited them. Do you really think he'd have a role giveout that adds another recruiter? That'd effectively give him 3kp a night, and then that recruiter would have another recruiter role giveaway etc etc etc In Doctor Who Mafia the conversion power was factional. That might be the case here. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:12 layabout wrote: yeah there is absolutely nowhere in shoapi's posts that mention kill flavor is relevant it's a shaky and kinda pointless assumption you are making. in fact: now cut it out Can't you see with your own eyes that kill flavor is relevant? Just see how each enemy faction has their own flavor for example. I doubt a town Vig would have any of those elemental flavors. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:14 Steveling wrote: I will now reveal that I was vanilla towny, I faked my claims. Seeing that HF/xat and I(for 2 nights) weren't shot/rng'd it is safe to assume that there is no rng in these killings. Hahaha Well played... | ||
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It was fun anyways. HF really made great use of his failed conversion on austinmcc. I was slightly suspicious when he "checked" marv, but... Probably wouldn't have been considering him for a lynch before I died. | ||
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That's true. | ||
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"Also does Slam always play like this? I can't remember having played with him before and he seems like a retarded child of Coagulation and Kurumi." | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:47 marvellosity wrote: I fucked around because i couldn't find good lynches because there weren't any fucking good lynches. I know how you feel :/ Although I guess thrawn would have been a decent lynch (useless and semi-scummy + actually scum). | ||
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05-25-2014 04:50 PM ET (US) ##recruit xatalos gasp ##shoot bh for now Damn, why didn't you do that I was baiting for that all game long.My role was this: Welcome to Golden Sun Mafia Djinn Edition! You are a Ivan, prodigy of Kalay! You have already chased Saturos and Menardi halfway across the world, but Weyard is still in danger even after you have slain them at the Venus Lighthouse. In the current emergency regarding the Djinn you have a pivotal role. You are immune to being controlled by rogue Djinn. Furthermore you are so skilled as an adept that any Djinn, which tries to attach to you is instead restored to your control. This ability only functions once in the game. You win with the Adepts of Weyard! | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote: For the most part big games don't exist anymore I think. This one was never going to start without Koshi and his mass recruitment. I guess it was fitting considering the theme of this setup that Koshi recruited the necessary people to play | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:15 Steveling wrote: Can we agree that my fake claim bait was awesome. xD Haha yeah, that worked out pretty well. Actually the only "power role" that did anything for town all game >.> | ||
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